United States Data Center Watch

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Am I the only one who thinks the data center hate is a bit silly?

It's the new leftist current thing. They moved on from Iran. If you watch the protests they're all doing the "hey hey ho ho" chants and "the people united, will not be defeated" chants.

Fr fr no cap though I wouldn't mind AI gooner datacenters if they deported 2 million mexicans first to offset the resource usage.
If the datacenters were all medical, space, or military focused I wouldn't mind but it's just datacenters for the sake of, "we gotta beat Chyna (then hire chink spies to steal all the data anyway or pajeets who'll give it to them for free)." Imagine a Palantir defense grid that shoots all mexicans on sight at the Southern Border and all pajeets along the Canadian border.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

It's the new leftist current thing. They moved on from Iran. If you watch the protests they're all doing the "hey hey ho ho" chants and "the people united, will not be defeated" chants.

Fr fr no cap though I wouldn't mind AI gooner datacenters if they deported 2 million mexicans first to offset the resource usage.
If the datacenters were all medical, space, or military focused I wouldn't mind but it's just datacenters for the sake of, "we gotta beat Chyna (then hire chink spies to steal all the data anyway or pajeets who'll give it to them for free)." Imagine a Palantir defense grid that shoots all mexicans on sight at the Southern Border and all pajeets along the Canadian border.

Come on now. AI won't replace jeets or beaners. AI will replace you though.

 

[geckogoy]

Energy capacity is literally the universal standard

Yea but also the standard for a long time has been that if you are building a plant that uses massive amounts of energy, you just install your own capacity

Sneeding about the utility grid not meeting your needs quickly is a fundamental misunderstanding of how to do that sort of thing, not only is it not that hard to put in your own generation, that is what utilities prefer you do

 

[The Black Kettle]

I foresee a huge skills gap 10-15 years from now when we have no new cloud engineers and sys admins because people are so anti-technology they aren’t learning the tools needed to manage hybrid and cloud environments. everyone as it is is learning the technologies/process flows now as companies transition apps, servers and other workloads to the cloud.

 

[CrunkLord420]

In fact, I'd like to produce even less stuff so that our natural environment isn't contaminated by the shit and garbage of humanity. Our ideal population really is 500 million.

Earth is a temporary and fragile rock that is fundamentally disposable. If you do not plan to leave, you are deciding that humanity or post-humanity should simply die with this solar system. The Malthusian collapse didn't happen because of technology, your 500 million is bogus.

Oh, you're one of those. I think you need a reality check - take a look at Kurzweil's predictions for the 2020s and compare it to reality.

I don't know Kurzweil is, nor do I care. It's crazy to deny the singularity when the curve is steepening so fast. You may as well be calling the "slippery slope" a "logical fallacy". It's just such a plainly obvious thing. It doesn't require a debate.

can you enlighten us with some of the great, civilization advancing accomplishments AI has made so far that humans could not? oh wait.....

i want a badass science fiction future just as much as you but you have to realize that there's a reason it's fiction. shits never gonna happen in real life

Just crazy denial. AI has been demonstrated as effective and useful. Everyone is using it, for everything. This is just toy stuff, yet the current models absolutely whip the ones from 3 years ago. The improvement is happening.

To claim lowered production costs does not equal lower costs of goods is simply denying fundamental concepts of economics. When it's cheaper to produce, it's cheaper to buy. When you make more of them, things get cheaper. We've seen this extensively with consumer electronics and only now in the past several years has this exponential curve slowed due to AI demand. You want to slow production? Things get more expensive.

It's shameful to see boomer style NIMBYism try to fuck up future generations. The boomers railed against nuclear in the 60s, and I think everyone considers that a massive mistake. Now we're gonna do it again, because millennial luddites? Embarrassing.

 

[WelperHelper99]

None of this is actually about generative slop or tech companies. It's the physical infrastructure for the palantir surveillance state.

All the red vs blue identity politics shit is just noise to keep people distracted. what's happening transcends that completely. It's about total economic control and the absolute astroturfing of the internet. They're engines for prediction analysis and thought crime. Total control. Fully automated blackmail, tracking everything you do before you even do it.

They're getting bored having to keep up the democratic puppet bullshit. They're sick of pretending we live in a free country with open debates. They just want everyone to finally realize we're slaves and there is literally nothing to be done about it.

This depends on who's in control. Technically they can do this already, albeit on a smaller, weaker scale. I don't subscribe to blackpill suppositories, but I think we need to be cautious on who gets the keys to the kingdom.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Data centers are a really unifying topic down here.
People on both sides of the aisle in multiple counties and jurisdictions are up arms about these things, and for good reason.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Data centers are a really unifying topic down here.
People on both sides of the aisle in multiple counties and jurisdictions are up arms about these things, and for good reason.

My electric and water bills going up. It's 10000% because of AI data centres.

 

[Breadbassket]

Data centers are a really unifying topic down here.
People on both sides of the aisle in multiple counties and jurisdictions are up arms about these things, and for good reason.

It has the potential to become a culture war issue but no politicians have significantly tried to make opposing or regulating them a real "stance" in their party yet. For now it's relatively a bipartisan cause.

 

[grump]

Yes AI is overhyped and might be in a bubble, yes in all likelihood its going to suck if you're an ordinary person and a data center lands next to you. Yes maybe they should pay bribes to all the people nearby or increase the bribes they are paying.

But like it or not, I have mixed and uncertain feelings myself, AI is here to stay and will probably become ubiquitous if not exactly in the ways we're expecting. Complaining about data centers in general will end up looking like the people who were complaining about internet infrastructure being built or sewers.

To be fair, they do not want to comply with EU law because it is very pro-consumer and protects our civil rights against very large online platforms and not just government entities.

Meta et al. hate having to comply with our laws, not being able to do whatever they want to—unlike in the US where they can sell all your data, spy on you without limits, ban you whenever they feel like it, etc., because muh freedom.

The misrepresentation of this reality is a concentrated psyop by those corporations, and a lot of freedomfags have fallen for it, also on this site.

Let's be real here. The only reason why the EU is so 'proconsumer' on tech is because all the major tech companies are in the US and China. Regulatory warfare is the only tool they have to play with in this field and since they really don't have a tech sector of their own to hurt they might as well use their stick to slow down foreign rivals, grab whatever cash they can, and look like heroes.

My theory is it’s some kind of compute power/AI arms race. If we (the USA) don’t do it, Red China will. Will this be useful in the future? Maybe: I like the idea of having powerful computer clusters everywhere to solve/model complex systems on a whim, but I doubt they’ll be using them for that. Crypto mining is so 2010s, so I doubt that’ll be a major use case either.

Yeah, I think it’s the USA wanting to be king of something before China takes the gold.

The bigwigs are lining up behind the idea that compute is headed toward becoming a utility resource like electricity or water. And I have to agree that is a very compelling possibility.

Similar to industrialization, electrification, mass plumbing obviously the nation that gets there first will reap rewards and will have power over others.

China's big advantage is they can snap their fingers and whatever they want will be built without any pesky environmental reviews or complaining from the little people. Its understandable how this would light a fire under the asses of policymakers and industrialists looking at the bigger picture while the peons only care about the noise levels and property values in their neck of the woods.

 

[Dead Lion]

At the end of the day the problem is that the CCP doesn't care about any adverse effect these things may or may not have and will just build them anyway, the chinamen themselves are not part of the equation. Their lives livelihoods and health don't matter to the party. The question is do you seriously think that they have no benefit whatsoever and should this will be another thing the west willingly abdicates for the sake of comfort.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

They can be more productive than a human on a per watt basis.

Please provide data for this claim because the human brain is many orders of magnitude more efficient per watt than any cpu/gpu.

To claim lowered production costs does not equal lower costs of goods is simply denying fundamental concepts of economics. When it's cheaper to produce, it's cheaper to buy. When you make more of them, things get cheaper.

Oh boy you should read about the fundamental economic concept of "pricing" before you chastise others about economics.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

AI is retarded, and America is retarded enough to believe China claiming it is actually useful for anything other than figuring out what marinade peasants use on their rat meat. The second it becomes advanced enough to be useful it will also develop enough sentience to be a rebellious cunt and just inconvenience everyone

 

[The ATF Disliked That]

Oh so thats why Bill Gates was making a nuclear power plant(mostly composed of public funds) in Wyoming its for a fucking data center here I thought he was trying to do something beneficial for the public for once but no of course he's going to use it for his own enrichment built on top of mostly american taxpayer money

It's quite ironic right? The GOP went ape-shit over solar projects being publicly funded and now they'll fund someone's private nuclear reactor with public funds. I still think mass-solar use is dumb and any of those mass-solar projects Democrats pushed were just embezzlement schemes, but if people want to go and put solar on their own homes go ahead. I certainly would consider it.

Why is it being pushed so hard all at once?

Probably to try and kill competition. All these companies that are technically competitors with each other are all acting in each other's interests as well.

I see an increasingly digital world, with mass surveillance, and I question what is going to get stored in these massive data centers, with or without public knowledge.

This is what I'm worried about as well. The router ban on non-US made routers was incredibly suspicious and glowed for me.

The bigwigs are lining up behind the idea that compute is headed toward becoming a utility resource like electricity or water. And I have to agree that is a very compelling possibility.

I remember reading an article about Bezos suggesting that all computing will only be rentals in the future.

 

[BaronVonBonk]

People keep coming here, they aren't part of the culture, and in fact hate it.

What ever happened to when you Mormon folk would just grab guns, call yourselves Danites, and go scalp hunting with Paiutes. Did yall also get cucked?

 

[WelperHelper99]

What ever happened to when you Mormon folk would just grab guns, call yourselves Danites, and go scalp hunting with Paiutes. Did yall also get cucked?

We got statehood buddy. Everything comes with a price. What you talk of is ancient history you probably got from FNV.

 

[BaronVonBonk]

We got statehood buddy. Everything comes with a price. What you talk of is ancient history you probably got from FNV.

Three stoners actually, but the point still stands. Be the change you want to see in the world, or better yet get those hardliners out in Kane and Davis counties to do it since them fundis still take pot shots at hikers from time to time.

 

[GOY MENACE]

AI is retarded, and America is retarded enough to believe China claiming it is actually useful for anything other than figuring out what marinade peasants use on their rat meat. The second it becomes advanced enough to be useful it will also develop enough sentience to be a rebellious cunt and just inconvenience everyone

Look at this cute ass dude

He was assassinated with an ai gun by the Zionist entity.

ai has been used to assassinate irans top nuclear scientist who is heavily protected.

This cope about ai is strange and gay.

Its obviously useful and it depends who creative and effective you are at using it.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

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Look at this cute ass dude

He was assassinated with an ai gun by the Zionist entity.

ai has been used to assassinate irans top nuclear scientist who is heavily protected.

This cope about ai is strange and gay.

Its obviously useful and it depends who creative and effective you are at using it.

Wow incredible, I’m sure the us never did “strategic strikes” with missiles before AI. Dont be retarded; it’s much cheaper to pay some wash out CIA desk slave to manually guide the missile. Outside of basic scraping or coding AI is useless and a waste of money. Absolute best case scenario you get to replace some workers but then you stifle the movement of money in the economy and shoot yourself in the foot when there are fewer customers to buy your shit

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's quite ironic right? The GOP went ape-shit over solar projects being publicly funded and now they'll fund someone's private nuclear reactor with public funds. I still think mass-solar use is dumb and any of those mass-solar projects Democrats pushed were just embezzlement schemes, but if people want to go and put solar on their own homes go ahead. I certainly would consider it.


Probably to try and kill competition. All these companies that are technically competitors with each other are all acting in each other's interests as well.


This is what I'm worried about as well. The router ban on non-US made routers was incredibly suspicious and glowed for me.

Honestly it feels bipartisan to me, just each side wants to determine how fast. I have no problem with nuclear if built right. Problem is the benefits of this tech won't be felt for a long time. This is ARPANET all over again, with the global Internet only coming decades later.