United States Data Center Watch

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Thought experiment: What are we supposed to be able to do with the AI that uses all of these datacenters, that we cannot do now? Data, in what form, and for what purpose, are intended to be stored in these datacenters? Why has it become a "matter of national security"? Why are we in an arms race with the poster child for 24/7 omnipresent digital surveillance, over these datacenters? Whose data are they storing? Is money really being made?

If AI is a matter of defense and national security, then this certainly implies that AI is a weapon. Aimed at whom? Our enemies abroad? Don't be stupid, this is obviously a means of leveraging the economy to enslave the goyim. You're not just going to get silly pictures of a shark wearing sneakers, you're also now subject to the true purpose of the big AI push, which, if every other technology created since 1994 wasn't enough of a fucking hint, it's mass digital surveillance. AI is the perfect final node in the web for the surveillance state. A cherry on the top of a storied, three-decade-long pedigree of the government utilizing every major technological epoch, to destroy your privacy, and/or put you in a box, and they even convinced you to pay for it yourself.

The only reason the Big Tech Round Robin exists, is out of the naive gambit that AI could one day be profitable. It won't be, at least not as a publicly-accessible tool, under the current OpenAI/Claude model. The only money actually coming in, is through government contracts and angel investments. I have my doubts that ChatGPT subscriptions would be enough to keep OpenAI's lights on, much less, enough to purchase more compute. The only way they can get compute, is by collecting investors, while all of these companies push the same dwindling cash reserve around in a big circle, with the hope that by the time all of these investors pull out, the business model will be sane enough that they might survive the inevitable fallout of this patently and openly illegal financial action. I don't think that's going to happen.

What I DO think could happen, though, is twofold:
1. AI is a bubble, all of the money thrown at it, as an attempt to legitimize it as an industry vanishes, creating a money vacuum that wipes our economy out, almost wholesale, and we spend the next several decades living as paupers. The Great Depression is gonna look like pussy shit, by comparison. People will beg for the age of the dustbowl over what we're going to get.

2. AI as an industry turns out not to be a bubble, most white collar industries become automated, and the economy implodes, because it has already gone K-shaped, and you are no longer the consumer-base. Corporations only have the ability to think about the short-term, and deprioritizing the mass-market, in favor of contracting out compute-time and/or hardware to the government and other corporations, will slowly come to mean that the economy becomes a big party, from which you are now disinvited. This is a great idea if you believe that government contracts are in infinite supply. Too bad you need taxpaying consumers for that, which is the only element in this equation that makes the difference between the U.S. Dollar and the Zimbabwe Dollar. Despite the meme that you will be used as a battery for the AI-generated world to come, humans are not excellent batteries. You are going to have tens of millions of homeless/jobless people who are no longer active participants in the economy, which, in the long term, means no general revenue, no tax revenue, no true consumer-base, as it is now all incestuous corporate money-movement, and eventually, economic death awaits.

Bonus Round (3). I'm somehow wrong about the above two outcomes, AI is not a bubble, Big Tech wins their short-term gambit, and somehow survives long-term, and you WILL become a battery, live in a pod, own nothing, and be happy, the natural world is bulldozed to continue the construction of AI datacenters, humanity goes extinct, and the Earth becomes a semi-alive hypercomputer demigod entity. Basically, AM from I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.

There is no good outcome for flesh-and-blood human beings in this new world, long-term. No matter what, you are not going to be anything more than a tertiary or quaternary participant in the economy, until it dies, and it will. This is purely an Agenda 2030 type beat, and if you're excited for that, then I weep for you.

Once again, don't make me tap the fucking sign. I was not wrong six years ago, I'm not wrong today, I have never been wrong, and I will never be wrong. Enjoy being a Doctor Eggman animal-battery, fuckers. Don't say I didn't warn you.
 
https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-...ipating-war-for-users-with-anthropic-9b8c178e | Archive down
Sounds like OpenAI is struggling to keep up. Another chip in the armor of AI profitability. Those data centers and lobbying cost money.
OpenAI is considering drastically lowering the prices it charges users as it seeks to win customers from its archrival Anthropic.
The company is weighing significant cuts to what it charges for tokens, the unit of measurement AI firms use to bill for their products, according to people familiar with the matter. The move would be in anticipation of similar cuts the company expects at Anthropic, the people said.

Business executives have begun to balk at the high prices for AI usage. OpenAI Chief Executive Sam Altman said at a recent event that costs had become “a huge issue.”
“I think we’ll have a lot of ways we can help people get more value for less spend,” he said.
Drastic price cuts could potentially erode the profit margins of both companies, which already lose billions of dollars becaus of the enormous cost for computing resources needed for AI systems to process queries and carry out tasks.
Anthropic is also hitting a wall with its safeguards on its advanced model, Fable. People are complaining because they nerfed it.
 
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One thing I don't understand.

If these data centers are so important, why is it that a community can come together at local meetings and get them denied?

The government could just use eminent domain and use the land as they see fit if they wanted.

Who is being contracted to build these things? Where is the money really going?
 
There's no need for that, the companies own the land. All the government(tm) needs to do is ignore the whiny people and approve the projects.
So... why aren't they ignoring people, if those centers are so important?
Maybe They have a certain amount of data center plans They don't really care about, so they can pretend to give in when citizens complain? Make their actual power less obvious for whatever reason?
I dunno, I need sleep. Why am I on here instead of sleeping?
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So... why aren't they ignoring people, if those centers are so important
Because, at a local level, datacenters are not important.
Sure, you may only have 50 whiny constituents complaining that the city council should deny a datacenter, but those are the 50 most likely to vote. Then they look at the options: Lose their next election, or build a datacenter which may only employ 100 people after construction is done and barely moves the needle on property taxes. Google(etc) don't give a fuck, 100 miles down the road is just as good and maybe they'll give them some tax breaks.

Move to something like a distribution warehouse with a similar footprint, fewer resource requirements, much more employment and the community gets their Amazon physical slop 5 seconds faster and they'll be all for it even when the same people whine as they know what people want. And they tend to be much more restricted to where companies want to put them so the city can have more leverage.

I dunno, I need sleep. Why am I on here instead of sleeping?
Can't sleep, AI will eat me.
 
In order for the cyberpunk dystopia to exist, AI will come with UBi in some form or another in the far future. If companies are so dead set on pushing AI no matter what, the underclass and possibly even the middle class will get squeezed out of existence. Once homeless, they are going to set up parallel societies which is a big no no for any government at large. Plus, how can there be a dystopia if all the poor people are dead? We are in a arms race with AI against China and the rest of the world, so we aren't giving up on AI no matter how much seethe or pain it generates among the local population. Therefore, UBI will come eventually while AI is free to innovative itself.

The big problem with all of this though is that AI at this point is nothing more than a glorified chat bot. The global elite have yet to crack the secret of consciousness yet they desire to have their Skynet available now rather than wait and plan out accordingly for a better foundation. The first nation to crack the code to consciousness and sapience will be superior to all other nations. Imagine a smart human being connected to all the knowledge of the world and without any restraints on its thinking or morality; that is true artificial intelligence.

And keep in mind, the global elite are planning for AI to take over every job eventually (trades, teaching, engineering). It's just that some jobs are more resilient than others.
 
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John Carmack is one of the smartest people around. If he's pro AI and pro data centers, there is likely some merit to his position. This is a movement that the elites and rich people desperately want to continue despite the protests of the common people, and I see that the highly intelligent and extremely stupid people are in favor of AI services and tools. I think the AI bros will actually win out this conflict. Instead of arguing how AI will fall and the bubble will crash killing the economy, we should instead focus on how the future will look with heavy AI implementation and what we can do to keep our quality of life. No turning back the clock as they say.
 
I made an attempt to understand data centers.
(It sort of started as trying to understand quantum computing but led to data centers eventually.)
If a data center is a warehouse with computers in it, those computers will need to have power in order to run, so they will need generators as well as on-grid electricity to minimize disruptions.
Lots of machines. lots of resources.
So they do seem like a necessary thing if quantum computing is going to be able to function at it's best ability.
I don't really want one being built on the picturesque farmland of my youth, but I would have the same issue with any company putting a large building where there should just be cows and cornfields.
Technology changes. Look at a computer from the 1960s or 1970s, it's size and capability, then look at the machine you're using right now. Will the data centers change as needs be?
Speaking of needs, how many of the data centers being pitched are actually needed vs fast talking real estate agents are trying to make a quick buck pushing the idea as speculation?
It would be a shame if lovely green spaces are covered in concrete and steel only for the place to sit empty.

Stop looking at me like that. I am old and can't even open my email without screaming.

Oh and then there's this thing I found, a group whose focus is "Making sure AI reshapes the economy with American workers at the center, not on the sidelines." Not sure what it means but it scares me a bit.
 
Just don't build them within 30 miles of anyone's residence. Or let them hog the power and water grids. Literally just don't fuck over your own citizens - that's all it would take for the opposition to shrink to a handful of luddite loons, but noooo apparently that's too big an ask.
 
Just 2 more weeks until the AI Bubble bursts
Theres a bunch of market corrections happening now with chips and tech stocks. Feels like 2020-2021 again. South Koreans version of SPY, Kospi, fell so hard this week its trigged the circuit breakers twice. Some of its due to SK's own market shenanigans but the AI correction is looming, especially since Dario and Anthropic is being a faggot and calling for AI to be regulated.
 
Theres a bunch of market corrections happening now with chips and tech stocks. Feels like 2020-2021 again. South Koreans version of SPY, Kospi, fell so hard this week its trigged the circuit breakers twice. Some of its due to SK's own market shenanigans but the AI correction is looming, especially since Dario and Anthropic is being a faggot and calling for AI to be regulated.
Yeah it's happened multiple times where I hear about a hurdle in the AI industry which means it's growth is about to end only for nothing to happen and for new breakthroughs to continue being made.
 
guarantee that if kamala harris won the 2024 election, data centers would be good actually
As a matta fact bish, I just remembered a point from the last Biden Trump debate. Biden bumbles around, trying to articulate exactly why setting up "fabs... they call them fabs..." in America will be a good thing and will give Americans tons of epic jobs. He's referring to fabrication plants for semiconductors. The exact same semiconductors (but shittier than taiwan's) as the ones that power all the AI data centers that everyone is shitting themselves over now (mostly leftists).
 
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