United States Data Center Watch

[Unredacted TND]

I hope data centers don't go down the route nuclear did.

 

[Miller]

Your water bill is gonna 10x

and the energy too.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

They aren't new, that is true. I don't even hate the tech. AI is fucking cool. I question the motives. Why is it being pushed so hard all at once? I'm sorry, it feels like covid all over again where you HAVE to trust the Soyience, and don't you dare question anything. I see an increasingly digital world, with mass surveillance, and I question what is going to get stored in these massive data centers, with or without public knowledge. I don't think that is vvery Reddit of me.

My theory is it’s some kind of compute power/AI arms race. If we (the USA) don’t do it, Red China will. Will this be useful in the future? Maybe: I like the idea of having powerful computer clusters everywhere to solve/model complex systems on a whim, but I doubt they’ll be using them for that. Crypto mining is so 2010s, so I doubt that’ll be a major use case either.

Yeah, I think it’s the USA wanting to be king of something before China takes the gold.

 

[Christmas Cretin]

They aren't new, that is true. I don't even hate the tech. AI is fucking cool. I question the motives. Why is it being pushed so hard all at once? I'm sorry, it feels like covid all over again where you HAVE to trust the Soyience, and don't you dare question anything. I see an increasingly digital world, with mass surveillance, and I question what is going to get stored in these massive data centers, with or without public knowledge. I don't think that is vvery Reddit of me.

That's fair, although personally I don't think it's the same as covid. Yes, AI is being pushed really hard and companies are trying to force it on you wherever they can, but I think that's mainly because they're going all-in on a gamble that AI will be extremely profitable for them. That's why they're fine with losing billions of dollars right now keeping almost all the major AI services free or inexpensive, because the more people using AI means it'll be easier in the near future to convince businesses to pay for it once they start charging prices that actually make them a profit.

 

[WelperHelper99]

My theory is it’s some kind of compute power/AI arms race. If we (the USA) don’t do it, Red China will. Will this be useful in the future? Maybe: I like the idea of having powerful computer clusters everywhere to solve/model complex systems on a whim, but I doubt they’ll be using them for that. Crypto mining is so 2010s, so I doubt that’ll be a major use case either.

Yeah, I think it’s the USA wanting to be king of something before China takes the gold.

That is certain. There are other uses for these machines though. Especially with the size of some of these complexes. I imagine that it will be used for more than just AI. Cloud servers, surveillance, a bunch of shit, some mundane, some beneficial, some malevolent. The question you must ask is who do you want in charge of that kind of information? It wasn't that long ago big tech was censoring you if you dared say you thought the clot shot might be off.

 

[pro drivor]

Artists and gooners really making it difficult to support LLM death though, fucking degenerates.

Block them out of your mind. Neckbeard faggots aren't even worth the energy your brain cells use to realize they exist.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

The question you must ask is who do you want in charge of that kind of information?

Oh, in that case…

No one

Oh wait, I am just a faggot not Jack’s Hollywood Power Fantasy.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Oh, in that case…

No one

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vh6SDvDhDN4:109
Oh wait, I am just a faggot not Jack’s Hollywood Power Fantasy.

No you're a stick. But together, in a bundle, we (yes we) can become a mighty faggot.

 

[Timothy McGay]

Data centers are good.
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[Magicicada_septendecula]

Am I the only one who thinks the data center hate is a bit silly?

I think some of it is both silly and a bit performative, but there are rational reasons to be afraid of it and even hate it. I think if all other things were even semi-decent, AI and data centers would be wonderful. The data centers would employ local people and be regulated for noise and resource consumption, pay more for those things so they don't raise prices on the people who live near them, and like the technologies before it, it would create new jobs to replace the ones it made obsolete.

In the real world though, noisy data centers will be placed in poor rural areas where people don't have the time or money to fight them and the town council they voted for will literally laugh in their faces when they complain about it. Their power and water bill will skyrocket, assuming the power company doesn't just cut them off because the data center is a more reliable customer with deeper pockets, grinding them further into the ground. The few people the data center employs will be Indians in the offices and illegals to sweep the floors and clean the toilets. Same goes for the new jobs it creates.

I believe there is a smart way to do this that makes most people happy and keeps us competitive against China, but American business and government seem to want to do everything in the way that screws everyone in our own country over, while the businesses still hand over the technology to China anyway to stay in the Chinese market another day.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

No you're a stick. But together, in a bundle, we (yes we) can become a mighty faggot.

Hey, you’re good people by the way. I mouth off a lot and shit but I do say that to but not enough maybe so if it hasn’t been clear just FYI and shit.

 

[WelperHelper99]

That's fair, although personally I don't think it's the same as covid. Yes, AI is being pushed really hard and companies are trying to force it on you wherever they can, but I think that's mainly because they're going all-in on a gamble that AI will be extremely profitable for them. That's why they're fine with losing billions of dollars right now keeping almost all the major AI services free or inexpensive, because the more people using AI means it'll be easier in the near future to convince businesses to pay for it once they start charging prices that actually make them a profit.

I think the AI push is important. It is borderline magic some of the shit it can do. I just don't want to lose our rights or our nation in the process. I worry about future custodians of this technology as well. You can have good people running it now, and terrible people running it next.

Hey, you’re good people by the way. I mouth off a lot and shit but I do say that to but not enough maybe so if it hasn’t been clear just FYI and shit.

Thanks man. You too.

 

[gagabobo1997]

Data center hate is just as retarded as nuclear energy hate. It's just a bunch of computers in a warehouse nigga!

 

[blackshirt]

My question is just, why? Sure AI, jobs the obvious answers. That's the sales pitch. Personally I don't buy that.

None of this is actually about generative slop or tech companies. It's the physical infrastructure for the palantir surveillance state.

All the red vs blue identity politics shit is just noise to keep people distracted. what's happening transcends that completely. It's about total economic control and the absolute astroturfing of the internet. They're engines for prediction analysis and thought crime. Total control. Fully automated blackmail, tracking everything you do before you even do it.

They're getting bored having to keep up the democratic puppet bullshit. They're sick of pretending we live in a free country with open debates. They just want everyone to finally realize we're slaves and there is literally nothing to be done about it.

I will not cry if a datacenter burns to the ground.

They put them in the middle of nowhere and the construction details are entirely compartmentalized like they're building an underground military bunker. They'll have automated drones maintaining the perimeter ready to vaporize anyone that gets too close.

You wouldn't even get to the fence anyway. Your entire economic profile gets cancelled if you even think of planning an attack. Hope you enjoy hiking to the site cause they'll just prevent you from being able to charge your vehicle on the grid. Want to build your own transport? Better learn to barter for every material you need because you'll be locked out of the CBDC completely.

The whole "but china!!!!" panic is a total distraction. The only enemy the american government actually has is its own population.

 

[pro drivor]

- incarceration for niggers
- detention for illegals
- hospitalization for the terminally mentally ill

Oh they absolutely will promise that shit, quite possibly for the groups of people you specified, but none of us would seriously be excluded from it. We're only one "domestic terrorist" badge away from being considered criminals (on the same level as blacks and illegals), and are already considered terminally mentally ill if we acknowledge how bad things have gotten, so shit's fucked. Nobody's coming to help us.

The biggest one to me is the sound pollution that makes people sick.

We can't have racetracks that bring people together and provide an outlet to stop needlessly bloody street takeovers because they're "too noisy" but we can have these. FML

I find it kind of funny that the "No data centers! We need our farmland!" crowd are the same ones who were all in on using farmland for wind turbines and solar panels.

As stated before, the people that want this shit control both sides of the aisle. The tech faggots high up don't live by the duality we have to put up with; they probably want both the datacenters and the solar farms. It's our job to stop them from doing either of those things. It's absolutely retarded how the majority of our population has bought hook, line, and sinker into thinking with 2 barely different thought processes, 1 for each party. Those all the way at the top who want these things built are the ones controlling those thought processes through controlling the narratives we see, and by making problems that they then sell us the solution to. You can see that with AI, where they have proven particularly lackluster in providing a problem where AI is needed and providing a solution, as AI itself is surprisingly dogshit and unfitting of its name. It's just extra fancy autocorrect trained on reddit articles, so really if you're pro-AI you're just as much of a redditor faggot as the autistic "artists" who are against it. I will concede that some of the memes created with it are hilarious though. We need to keep AI around just for that; ban it from making essays and shit, and keep it only to churn out photoshop tier meme images and video.

 

[pro drivor]

because the more people using AI means it'll be easier in the near future to convince businesses to pay for it once they start charging prices that actually make them a profit.

They're trying to do the exact same thing they did with computers, hardware and software: Make it a part of daily life you absolutely cannot live without, and most importantly work without. Then you and your gay tech friends jack up it's prices as much as possible to extort the entire population, making a monopoly out of an entire industry. Emphasis on gay because it literally has been proven that if you are a homosexual you are favored for certain positions really high up in Silicon Valley. If that doesn't sound like some evil empire shit out of the Book of Revelations then you must not have ears to hear or eyes to see. Emphasis on evil empire, because many of the things we used to criticize the USSR for apply directly to the USA today.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Work smarter, not harder. Consuming more energy by itself isn't a measure of anything, especially if it's being wasted on projects (such as data centers) that don't generate anywhere near the return on resources invested.

This only makes sense you want to keep producing the same amount of stuff, instead of producing even more stuff. So much stuff that you can actually become post-scarcity and build Von Neumann probes to harvest the galaxy.

It's ridiculous to claim the 'Thing Inventor' doesn't produce anything. They can be more productive than a human on a per watt basis. We're staring into a technology singularity and people are like "uhm, actually I want to hold civilization back because of my NIMBY bullshit".

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

This only makes sense you want to keep producing the same amount of stuff, instead of producing even more stuff. So much stuff that you can actually become post-scarcity and build Von Neumann probes to harvest the galaxy.

In fact, I'd like to produce even less stuff so that our natural environment isn't contaminated by the shit and garbage of humanity. Our ideal population really is 500 million.

It's ridiculous to claim the 'Thing Inventor' doesn't produce anything. They can be more productive than a human on a per watt basis. We're staring into a technology singularity and people are like "uhm, actually I want to hold civilization back because of my NIMBY bullshit".

Oh, you're one of those. I think you need a reality check - take a look at Kurzweil's predictions for the 2020s and compare it to reality.

The dream is dead and the singularity will never happen.

 

[pro drivor]

uhm, actually I want to hold civilization back

can you enlighten us with some of the great, civilization advancing accomplishments AI has made so far that humans could not? oh wait.....

instead of producing even more stuff. So much stuff that you can actually become post-scarcity and build Von Neumann probes to harvest the galaxy.

i want a badass science fiction future just as much as you but you have to realize that there's a reason it's fiction. shits never gonna happen in real life

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Whether it's by brown people or machine, they will replace us.