United States Data Center Watch

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My Mom lives in a town where one is currently being built. it's still under construction, so she hasn't seen the water and power demand/price increase yet, but for the last two years, since the project was approved, property taxes have gone up about 20% to subsidize/incentivize the project. About the only thing that seems like a positive coming from it, is that there's a competitor to the ISP that had a monopoly in town running all kind of fiber, which could eventually lead to competitive Internet prices.
 
I don’t know how you wouldn’t hate hearing about a company looking to build a massive boondoggle in your area, you voting it down, then it being built anyway because they have billions to bankrupt you in lawsuits so your town has to allow it.

Or your town suddenly is missing 30 million gallons of water and it turns out it is because of an unknown data center being built the town didn’t inform you about now your water pressure is fucked AND rates are increasing while they only pay a little fine.

Artists and gooners really making it difficult to support LLM death though, fucking degenerates.
 
Energy capacity is literally the universal standard for how advance a civilization is. Every time someone says "we need to stop building more capacity" they're fundamentally arguing against the advancement of the species on a galactic scale. After energy, compute might be the other objective metric, or material refinement capacity.
 
Im entirely convinced data center sperging is only chinese bots, hysterics (covid alarmist types), and the media trying to push a story
 
Here are some recent AI data center-related article headlines from the last week for the thread to ponder on:
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The opposition is definitely there but piecemeal and divided. I don't think it's going to slow down anytime soon but if it manages to become something organized on a national level in a major way remains to be seen.
 
We do need to be invested in data centers as a country, but there very real issues that get overlooked. The biggest one to me is the sound pollution that makes people sick. It’s not some weird conspiracy or Luddite cope… infrasound seems to be the term that accounts for it. It’s something that is known to cause serious issues.

One I looked into was built near a nice country area and even if the people wanted to leave no one wants to live there now. Iirc it seems to affect 30% of the people there in the way that makes them very sick. The power and water issues I believe will be mitigated in the future with some switching to glycol to cool and I’ve seen some setting up their own nat gas systems.

I see people getting weirdly political about the issue when it really shouldn’t be. The environment issues also aren’t the most important because there are ways to mitigate those concerns and that’s just any industry in general. To me it’s really not wanting them to be shitty neighbors for those that live around them. I do believe changes need to be made, but unrelated issues get thrown in that muddy the waters.
 
Jay2U dijo:
Am I the only one who thinks the data center hate is a bit silly?
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I am confident that AI can not and will not replace my line of work, at least not before I die. So I don't care about that angle.
However:
It's definitely going to cause an increase of residential taxes and utility bills.
It's definitely ploughing under independent family farmland. (basically a continuation of the Amazon/warehouse boom of the past 20 years)
It's driving up the prices of computer hardware for everyone worldwide.
The more bandwidth and storage is available, the greater ability the government and its contractors have to spy on you.

Make no mistake, the bubble is going to burst eventually. Life would be a dream if only the future fallow datacenters were repurposed with functions we've been missing out on for too many years now:
- incarceration for niggers
- detention for illegals
- hospitalization for the terminally mentally ill

...but this is clown world, so the reality will see you and I getting put away for calling someone a faggot online and getting caught because VPNs are now illegal.
 
los pepes dijo:
To be honest I don't know. On the one hand you have the reddit tier luddites that hate any industry/progress, especially tied to AI, and think anything other than riding bicycles and eating bugs is ecocide. On the other you have corpo scum that would absolutely rape our water supply, triple our power costs, poison us, and expect us to pay for it, all so they could make their line go up another day.

I don't trust either side as they are only self interested. The well being of us or our country as a whole is not on their radar. So I don't really know where to come down on it...
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It doesn't make any sense anymore. The Democrats/Left have just gone full on cuckold and national suicide, and the Republicans/Right have just gone full on private enterprise and stock market is the only thing that matters in life.
JohnnyG dijo:
Will they simply get sold at big discounts to companies lower on the food chain? Components liquidated and buildings demolished? Repurposed for on-demand cloud computing?
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I have no clue at this point. Many of these AI DCs seem to be built for specific purpose only.
 
CrunkLord420 dijo:
Energy capacity is literally the universal standard for how advance a civilization is. Every time someone says "we need to stop building more capacity" they're fundamentally arguing against the advancement of the species on a galactic scale. After energy, compute might be the other objective metric, or material refinement capacity.
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America hasn't made any meaningful energy output increase for decades. Literally no way to fund this except through AI data centres to fund their own energy output.
 
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CrunkLord420 dijo:
Energy capacity is literally the universal standard for how advance a civilization is. Every time someone says "we need to stop building more capacity" they're fundamentally arguing against the advancement of the species on a galactic scale. After energy, compute might be the other objective metric, or material refinement capacity.
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Work smarter, not harder. Consuming more energy by itself isn't a measure of anything, especially if it's being wasted on projects (such as data centers) that don't generate anywhere near the return on resources invested.

You might as well just light piles of coal on fire to boil away a lake full of water, that'll produce as much value as a data center.
 
I've been reading psalms lately, and I could really could relate to the cyclical nature of things in Ecclesiastes. The same profound pieces of bullshit exist today that existed in the time of the Psalmists. Black people rioting with limp government intervention existed before MLK's death and after. Reports from the looters weren't "I'm mad because they killed MY womanizing commie", just "I needed nice shoes". The list goes on including the shadiness of these data centers. Oft I've had to take an absurdist mindset to this and at least laugh at how fucked it is.
 
Jean ValJean dijo:
I find it kind of funny that the "No data centers! We need our farmland!" crowd are the same ones who were all in on using farmland for wind turbines and solar panels.
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Farmers fought against a lot of that, the only people who didn't that I saw, were people with large acreage that had been in the family for generations. The small guys wound up losing their land to eminent domain when they ran out of money to fight.
 
Jay2U dijo:
Am I the only one who thinks the data center hate is a bit silly?
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It's a very Reddity, current thing to complain about. People act as if data centers are a new thing that's going to somehow kill us all when they've been around since the 90s. Most of the complaints against them are completely exaggerated as well. They use less water than factories, most of them are helping pay to expand the electric capacity in their areas, and they get accused of nebulous "pollution" which is usually just a result of construction, not their actual use, because computer servers don't create pollution. Northern Virginia has had dozens of huge data centers for decades and none of these things are actually problems there.

That said, eminent domain is awful but that's hardly exclusive to data centers. A lot of the proposed centers are never actually going to get built, and when this AI boom slows down, a lot of the places that did get built will probably end up closing down.
 
Christmas Cretin dijo:
It's a very Reddity, current thing to complain about. People act as if data centers are a new thing that's going to somehow kill us all when they've been around since the 90s. Most of the complaints against them are completely exaggerated as well. They use less water than factories, most of them are helping pay to expand the electric capacity in their areas, and they get accused of nebulous "pollution" which is usually just a result of construction, not their actual use, because computer servers don't create pollution. Northern Virginia has had dozens of huge data centers for decades and none of these things are actually problems there.

That said, eminent domain is awful but that's hardly exclusive to data centers. A lot of the proposed centers are never actually going to get built, and when this AI boom slows down, a lot of the places that did get built will probably end up closing down.
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People only know what they are hearing about 90% of the time. Most don’t have the interest or energy to know data centers existed before or how they compare to these ones. They just know what they are hearing, trillions of dollars being invested into this nebulous idea of an ‘Artificial General Intelligence’ that is getting everyone fired and replaced while massive complexes that damage people’s health are being forced onto communities and some weird assholes keep talking about the Anti-Christ and how much more efficient it would be to replace a human who has to be raised 20 years before being exploited with a machine.

Those are all things that actually can be attributed to being real and documented, if dramatized.
 
Christmas Cretin dijo:
It's a very Reddity, current thing to complain about. People act as if data centers are a new thing that's going to somehow kill us all when they've been around since the 90s. Most of the complaints against them are completely exaggerated as well. They use less water than factories, most of them are helping pay to expand the electric capacity in their areas, and they get accused of nebulous "pollution" which is usually just a result of construction, not their actual use, because computer servers don't create pollution. Northern Virginia has had dozens of huge data centers for decades and none of these things are actually problems there.

That said, eminent domain is awful but that's hardly exclusive to data centers. A lot of the proposed centers are never actually going to get built, and when this AI boom slows down, a lot of the places that did get built will probably end up closing down.
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They aren't new, that is true. I don't even hate the tech. AI is fucking cool. I question the motives. Why is it being pushed so hard all at once? I'm sorry, it feels like covid all over again where you HAVE to trust the Soyience, and don't you dare question anything. I see an increasingly digital world, with mass surveillance, and I question what is going to get stored in these massive data centers, with or without public knowledge. I don't think that is vvery Reddit of me.
 
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