Why do people deny the existence of femcels? - ???????

[analrapist]

Ain't no way ugly niggas get pussy like that.

Give us you sauce

Appear successful and independent, at a minimum. Have a life that involves going out socially. Understand that equality is horseshit and women (typically) want a man who she feels is superior to her. Go out and talk to girls. Wear a metaphorical mask that enables you to persuasively demonstrate to the girl how superior you are to her. "It's bullshit but I believe it!" Getting to experiment with alt.seduction.fast Usenet wisdom in a 90s high school isn't even an option any more. It's all grifter manosphere dreck now. Truly disastrous.

 

[Fishnumm]

don't bother looking for the footage of her suicide it was scrubbed of the planet

i tried

 

[Drip Torch]

because women arent real

So that's why most people can't explain what a woman is!

 

[Ygolonac]

I watch those special books by special kids youtube videos and there are some pitiable woman on there. Some with otherwise normal intelligence. Few in number but no less valid. Femcels exist and they exist with such struggle that an infinite number of internet sluts could never steal enough of their valor to discredit them both together.

 

[AMHOLIO]

someday you will meet a fellow lesbo and you'll snap outta being a pooner

SOME DAY
LOVE WILL FIND YOU
BREAK THOSE
CHAINS THAT BIND YOU

 

[Fishnumm]

SOME DAY
LOVE WILL FIND YOU
BREAK THOSE
CHAINS THAT BIND YOU

oh oh i got another one like that

WHEN THE TRUTH IS FOUND TO BE LIES
AND ALL THE JOY WITHIN YOU DIES
DON'T YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO LOVE
DON'T YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO LOVE
WOULDN'T YOU LOVE SOMEBODY TO LOVE
YOU BETTER FIND SOMEBODY TO LOVE

 

[General Patton]

don't bother looking for the footage of her suicide it was scrubbed of the planet

i tried

The audio still exists.

Seems like a pretty clear cut case of a femcel.

She always seemed to be more of an awkward loser with depression who had mental issues (granted, incels have that as well) and just couldn't date successfully. (Incels also have this) But there's one thing missing to qualify that. Since incels and femcels have the one same thing in common: an irrational hatred for the opposite sex and blaming them for all their problems. In all my time reading about her, I've yet to see that.

I didn't see any irrational hatred with her.

Chubbuck was a decent looking woman with a good job, so I suspect it was her social anxiety keeping her from meeting a decent guy.

It was pretty much this, plus some other mental problems. They made a movie about her back in 2016. Christine, with Rebecca Hall. It did a good job portraying what her problems were.

Her biggest problem was severe depression. I'm not surprised she killed herself.

 

[GOY MENACE]

She always seemed to be more of an awkward loser with depression who had mental issues (granted, incels have that as well) and just couldn't date successfully. (Incels also have this) But there's one thing missing to qualify that. Since incels and femcels have the one same thing in common: an irrational hatred for the opposite sex and blaming them for all their problems. In all my time reading about her, I've yet to see that.

This comes back to the differences between the genders.

Woman are more likely to internalize and hate themselves than to vilify and hate someone else.

When the guy she had a crush on rejected her she only started to hate herself more and never directed any hatred towards him.

 

[General Patton]

This comes back to the differences between the genders.

Woman are more likely to internalize and hate themselves than to vilify and hate someone else.

When the guy she had a crush on rejected her she only started to hate herself more and never directed any hatred towards him.

I also just read that her boyfriend died when she was 16 and her dad forced her to break up from her second boyfriend because he disapproved of him, which explains a lot more.

Her mom also said she had trouble connecting with people.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Most woman will interpret what you said as "just be a prostitute for free."

That's the problem. That's kind of why they're femcels.

Thanks, I know.

You'll be fine.

She wants someone who actually loves her and connects with her not some dude who will use her.

You know it's funny you actually mention this, because that's exactly how women wind up dating guys who will just use them. Femcels typically have very specific criteria in a guy. It doesn't have to be "High standards" but when they ONLY like and date specific "type", that leaves them vulnerable. A good healthy relationship is developed over time by just spending time with each other.

Femcels who are unwilling to give men a chance because they have a need for a very specific type of person typically wind up getting used and screwed over. It's because the dynamic is completely one sided. She can't date just anyone because she only likes specific types of guys. Meanwhile, those guys don't share her hyper-specific dating criteria usually and ultimately have more dating options. So those relationships always form a dynamic where the guy holds 90% of the cards because he can just go out and date anyone and she can't. That's also 100% the woman's fault.

So yeah, women who have very specific types of men they like? That's how and why they keep getting fucked over. You really should just date anyone and everyone who might be interested. You don't have to sleep with them, but there's more to relationships than just baseline attractiveness, although that helps.

 

[Queen Aleena]

Woman are more likely to internalize and hate themselves than to vilify and hate someone else.

Lol'd hard

 

[GOY MENACE]

A good healthy relationship is developed over time by just spending time with each other.

Most incels and femcels tend to isolate or act in ways that put normal people off.

Lol'd hard

Ain't it?

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Some of you people need to go on a date, holy shit this is sad

Oh. This is ironic coming from you. I can choose violence today.

But I never blamed and never will blame women for it.

On a side note, getting a titjob is awesome. You should try it sometime. It's really not hard for most guys to get one.

Most incels and femcels tend to isolate or act in ways that put normal people off.

Men will overlook women's behavior if they're desperate enough. Heck, there's a whole movie about that out right now that you can go watch if you don't believe me. A woman can literally shit all over herself and some man will find it attractive.

Women if desperate enough will go to equivalent measures.

My point is having "specific types" makes you desperate. Men are more willing to overlook their types in favor of having a connection. Women, are not. Ask a woman to date outside her type and watch her face change to horror and disgust at the mere prospect.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Oh. This is ironic coming from you. I can choose violence today

Believe it or not, I have dated irl. If I can, anyone can

 

[lurker7274519]

Appear successful and independent, at a minimum. Have a life that involves going out socially. Understand that equality is horseshit and women (typically) want a man who she feels is superior to her. Go out and talk to girls. Wear a metaphorical mask that enables you to persuasively demonstrate to the girl how superior you are to her. "It's bullshit but I believe it!" Getting to experiment with alt.seduction.fast Usenet wisdom in a 90s high school isn't even an option any more. It's all grifter manosphere dreck now. Truly disastrous.

Basically Ted Bundy Max, women love midwit psychopaths.

 

[Vlad the Implier]

I think the biggest obstacle to this conversation is the inconsistency in how we define incel:

I guarantee you she would get plenty if she went to a local bar

There's no such thing as involuntary celibate for women. There is though the involuntary bachelorette status though: they can get dick, but are so insufferable that no one sticks around for a relationship after the dickin

Mate, celibate is the absence of sex. If you can get it, you're not an incel

It's not really involuntary celibate when you chose to be that way

an incel can pay a prostitute but that obviously wouldn't be satisfactory.

The discussion is mostly about the dating scene.

See how the definition meandered in this exchange? We can define incel strictly as "wants to have sex, but is unable to." But if he has the means to pay for a prostitute, but chooses not to, is he still incel by this definition? What if he does hire a prostitute? If we're changing the definition to mean "unable to have sex through dating", is he still an incel because he only has sex he pays for?

The fact that @souschef changed the scope to be within the context of dating, this give me the impression that although celibacy does technically mean the absence of sex, we're not really thinking of inceldom as something to do strictly with sex, but an inability to win the affection of others naturally. I think this is why the idea of femceldom causes such a stir because yes, it is easier for women to just get laid, but men pursue sex more than women and women generally want to bond with someone before having sex. Just look at those reddit posts of women upset about getting smashed and dashed on.

Since incels and femcels have the one same thing in common: an irrational hatred for the opposite sex and blaming them for all their problems.

This is another interesting point in defining incel. I don't think that incel/femcel strictly implies an irrational hatred for the opposite sex, but that's definitely the connotation those words have to come to develop. I prefer using the term "love shy" for people who aren't hateful, but just genuinely struggle with romance.

Like Two Frogs said, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how the sexes differ. Women are emotionally orientated when it comes to relationships and intimacy.

I agree with this. Speaking analogously:
Incel - "I am hungry and there is no food in my fridge."
Femcel - "I am hungry and there is food in my fridge, but its poisoned so I don't want to eat it."

Today, the ugliest, raunchiest and dumbest women will demand tall, successful and beautiful men.

This is just signalling behavior. They act high and mighty because they think that by flaunting high expectations, this will cause people to think they are higher value than they really are. You ever notice how its always the fattest, ugliest women who are the loudest at bars?

Hot women don't need to be loud to get attention. High value women don't need to be demanding. They know their worth and if they're not getting what they want, they have plenty of other options.

 

[Hotmilk]

Basically Ted Bundy Max, women love midwit psychopaths.

A midwit by male standards is a highwit by women’s standards.

 

[analrapist]

women love midwit psychopaths.

Sociopaths, not psychopaths. You have to be able to respond to social cues appropriately. Then, all you have to do is outwit the woman (teasing/joking/chatting) to build a degree of rapport. Sociopathy is not a requirement beyond "I take what I want" as a guiding principle, which is just self-serving, not necessarily sociopathic. (Foidthought: "If he can't claim domain for himself, he can't do it for me either.")

Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power. Here's a quote from over a century ago which has not lost a bit of its vigor, especially in these days of extreme emancipation.

I am afraid that woman appreciate cruelty, downright cruelty, more than anything else. They have wonderfully primitive instincts. We have emancipated them, but they remain slaves looking for their masters, all the same. They love being dominated.

Edit: ROFL. And then I browse over to MuskNet and no joke first thing I see is this paper: "Dominance and Heterosexual Attraction". From the Abstract; "This study also found that manipulated dominance enhanced only a male's sexual attractiveness and not his general likability."

My experience: There is a path to thread between the two sides of this dipole (dominant vs likeable), and intelligence determines how well you manage it.

 

[Anime Waifu NFT collector]

I think this is why the idea of femceldom causes such a stir because yes, it is easier for women to just get laid, but men pursue sex more than women and women generally want to bond with someone before having sex. Just look at those reddit posts of women upset about getting smashed and dashed on.

I think that even in the strict terms of "can't have sex" even male incels don't exist, there are ugly, low IQ, uncharismatic hoodlums and wiggers out there with 5 baby mommas, the thing with male incels, just as with femcels, is that they sit at a certain "level" but don't want to date within their range, in both cases unrealistic expectations are the problem, if you are a male incel you could easily get with a red flag, chubby black woman, the thing is that no one wants that, for an internet example look at Iddubz or Sargon of Akkad: Iddubz married an ugly BPD demon with low IQ, Sargon married an obese single mom, they could have chosen inceldom but didn't.

An analogy I can think of is one of a man that's unemployed and says he can't find work, now imagine you tell him he can get a job as a dishwasher for federal minimum wage and on an irregular schedule, he refuse the job, can you truly say he can't find work?

 

[Vlad the Implier]

I agree with almost everything in your reply and I think your point here:

I think that even in the strict terms of "can't have sex" even male incels don't exist, there are ugly, low IQ, uncharismatic hoodlums and wiggers out there with 5 baby mommas

is why its so difficult to accurately define inceldom because they're so committed to their self-victimization that they keep "No True Scotsman"ing.

• Paid an ugly prostitute to fuck you? "Had sex, fakecel."
• Had sex a few times with someone in college and never again for the next 20 years? "Fakecel."
• Kissed a girl in high school or had a date to the school dance? "Fakecel. I've never even held hands."
• Offered sex by someone really unattractive to you? "Fakecel, you had a chance and said no."
• Asked out by someone with a history of violence. "Fakecel."

the thing with male incels, just as with femcels, is that they sit at a certain "level" but don't want to date within their range, in both cases unrealistic expectations are the problem

This is where I think you're switching the symptom with the illness. I'm sure unrealistic expectations can be main reason for some incels, but I think the majority of them their insistence on high standards is just a coping mechanism.

Like you pointed out earlier, there's plenty of trash men out there who manage to get laid. The fact is, even a low-IQ, gently-used catalytic converter salesman is more attractive to a woman than a man who openly hates women and fantasizes about them being treated like property/livestock. A petty criminal is far less distressing than an Eliot Rodger. This is reason why incels "can't" get laid, its never the reasons they choose to blame. I've known short men, fat men, ugly men, brown men, mixed race men, etc. who have gotten married.

In reality, incels are consumed by anger and despair and have effectively given up. But to admit this, is to admit to being a loser so instead they convince themselves that they're actually victims and cope with excuses by either blaming something immutable about themselves, (short, fat, balding, etc.) blaming society/women, ("women are all whores ruined by feminism") or as you pointed out, by having standards that aren't reasonable for them. ("I won't settle for anything less than a skinny, virginal, tradwaifu with natural blonde hair and blue eyes and no tattoos or piercings!")