Why do people deny the existence of femcels? - ???????

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I believe that main problem is mental illness.
I'll add to this. Its mental illness, and unregulated anger/resentment that grows until it reaches a boiling point. Dating is frustrating, its difficult to find someone you'd be truly happy to spend the rest of your life with, the key is to not let it demoralize you.

I'm not saying that Christine is as bad as Eliot Rodger, but she chose to kill herself on live TV to upset people. Eliot tried hurting people even before he went on his spree. I read his entire manifesto, its a genuinely fascinating and well-written look into the mind of an asshole who expects he's going to get everything he wants without any accountability for personal growth.
 
its a genuinely fascinating and well-written look into the mind of an asshole who expects he's going to get everything he wants without any accountability for personal growth.
Elliot is a bizarre case to the point of absurdity.

Jerking of to your sister getting fucked and trying to kill your lil brother just cuz he is sociable is beyond anything I've ever seen.

He got such a level of entitlement combined with clinical retardation and wealthy upbringings.

I remember meeting Soumaya, and she was such a nice and cultured woman.
But the second I switched from Arabic to English, you could see her getting slightly scared and uncomfortable.
 
Yeah. Same goes to men

If you ain't Brad Pitt level you ain't getting Angelina Jolie. Same goes the other way around
I said "debases," not "went down a number on the rating scale." And I guess I didn't explain - by "debases" I meant "gets used and thrown away."
 
Elliot is a bizarre case to the point of absurdity.

Jerking of to your sister getting fucked and trying to kill your lil brother just cuz he is sociable is beyond anything I've ever seen.

He got such a level of entitlement combined with clinical retardation and wealthy upbringings.

I remember meeting Soumaya, and she was such a nice and cultured woman.
But the second I switched from Arabic to English, you could see her getting slightly scared and uncomfortable.
Narcissism and aspergers really did a number on Elliot's psyche.
 
Christine is such a radically different case to many people will go through. She effectively was in a state where she became desensitised to violence in her environment, and was in constant competition over her environment. Especially working in a small news station.

don't bother looking for the footage of her suicide it was scrubbed of the planet

i tried
The audio still exists
Okay so, with this being either the 70s or 80s, (I can't remember which), all of this was on tape so no digital archivrs and most people didn't have the means of recording the broadcast. This is why the audio exists because people frequently would instead record the audio, and was much cheaper to do. The footage does survive but it is in an archive. There is no reason for it to be made public.
 
Appear successful and independent, at a minimum. Have a life that involves going out socially. Understand that equality is horseshit and women (typically) want a man who she feels is superior to her. Go out and talk to girls
That right there is one of the big problems, appearing successful and independent is harder than ever due to social media, for isolated men without connections there really aren't any affordable places to socialize, just talking to girls is an incredible hurdle if you are unable to get matches on dating sites.
Sociopaths, not psychopaths. You have to be able to respond to social cues appropriately. Then, all you have to do is outwit the woman (teasing/joking/chatting) to build a degree of rapport. Sociopathy is not a requirement beyond "I take what I want" as a guiding principle, which is just self-serving, not necessarily sociopathic. (Foidthought: "If he can't claim domain for himself, he can't do it for me either.")
Trying to take what I want just sounds like a quick way to get the police called on me and charged with sexual assault or rape. Traditional dating tactics seem like playing russian roulette. I have no leverage to make a woman do what I demand but the bitch can ruin my life with a phone call.
  • Had sex a few times with someone in college and never again for the next 20 years? "Fakecel."
  • Kissed a girl in high school or had a date to the school dance? "Fakecel. I've never even held hands."
  • Offered sex by someone really unattractive to you? "Fakecel, you had a chance and said no."
  • Asked out by someone with a history of violence. "Fakecel."
Those are all pretty valid reasons to consider somebody a fakecel tbh, those all indicate a level of social and sexual success that appears out of reach for men like myself.

Like you pointed out earlier, there's plenty of trash men out there who manage to get laid. The fact is, even a low-IQ, gently-used catalytic converter salesman is more attractive to a woman than a man who openly hates women and fantasizes about them being treated like property/livestock. A petty criminal is far less distressing than an Eliot Rodger. This is reason why incels "can't" get laid, its never the reasons they choose to blame. I've known short men, fat men, ugly men, brown men, mixed race men, etc. who have gotten married.
I can't even get far enough for women to find out how much I distain them and my distain for them is their own fault for never giving me a chance, Of course women would prefer a retarded criminal over me, women are known to select for low IQ and criminal behavior. They are disgusted by my intelligence and fear of consequences.

In reality, incels are consumed by anger and despair and have effectively given up. But to admit this, is to admit to being a loser so instead they convince themselves that they're actually victims and cope with excuses by either blaming something immutable about themselves, (short, fat, balding, etc.) blaming society/women, ("women are all whores ruined by feminism") or as you pointed out, by having standards that aren't reasonable for them. ("I won't settle for anything less than a skinny, virginal, tradwaifu with natural blonde hair and blue eyes and no tattoos or piercings!")
It's hard not to give up when giving up and not giving up produce identical results. Why go out to some shitty bar with a shitty cramped parking lot to have an overpriced meal and drink while eyeing up some middle aged housewives when I know nothing will come of it? What am I even meant to do, just walk up to a chick and tell her she's hot and I want to have sex with her?

All it takes for someone to become morbidly obese is to not want to lose weight, the fat fuck still has agency over their own bodyweight unless they are strapped to a chair and force fed.
Obesity can have lasting aesthetic damage well after the weight is lost, there can be stretchmarks and there will almost always be loose skin. Besides that plenty of incels never even let themselves get fat but still end up sexless despite their best efforts.
OK, so wow, you're saying any woman can get a man to fuck them and throw them away if she just debases herself enough to take whatever. Dating app swipes mean nothing.
Goes to show how detached the female dating experience is from reality. Those swipes that mean nothing to you are often the biggest events in a man's life, we struggle to even get women to use us as a free meal ticket.
It's silly to be rigid about a definition of -cel. Passive relying on "women get more swipes on dating apps" is pointless. If 95% of a woman's positive swipes are from addicts, sociopaths, users, would be "conquerers," etc., they're useless and meaningless.
Funny, because none of those are even that big of red flags for a desperate man most of us are willing to take whatever we can get assuming the woman isn't a complete boner killer, hell most prostitutes fall into one or more of those categories and the charge extortionate rates for sex which again proves the difference in desperation.
 
Obesity can have lasting aesthetic damage well after the weight is lost, there can be stretchmarks and there will almost always be loose skin. Besides that plenty of incels never even let themselves get fat but still end up sexless despite their best efforts.
I probably should've specified, but I gave the example of obesity as its own thing to exemplify personal autonomy. In the same way that someone who is obese can return to a healthy weight if they genuinely desire to do so, so too should the vast majority of so-called incels actually take control of their own lives instead of blaming women for their plight.
 
How many ''Femcels'' are woman who actively get male attention but reject it? I wouldn't call that person a femcel at all, just like how I wouldn't compare a man who gets attention from multiple women but also rejects it an incel. I've seen so many examples of average to below average woman who get loads of male attention but I don't think a lot of men who are in the same boat attract the same attention in reverse.

A true femcel would be a woman who is objectively unattractive and cannot acquire male attention. I genuinely don't believe you can be a femcel and also attractive in this day and age.
 
Funny, because none of those are even that big of red flags for a desperate man most of us are willing to take whatever we can get assuming the woman isn't a complete boner killer, hell most prostitutes fall into one or more of those categories and the charge extortionate rates for sex which again proves the difference in desperation.
Those should be giant red flags, bc the things I listed are not minor things. Maybe they don't concern you bc they are less prevalent in women so not a real concern.

And prostitute transactions are transactions, not interpersonal relationships. Different concept altogether. Anyone can buy sex from a professional sex-seller. I'm sure you can find cheap hookers if you try.

But I will say that if what you have said is your real, literal, lived experience, I think you are outside the typical male experience.

I will also say that although I understand that app swipes are or can be a proxy for a sense of being wanted, they are definitionally a superficial one. And a logical response to failing to find what you want in one arena is finding another arena. You may need to work harder in another arena, but ffs don't keep doing what continually hurts you.
 
Funny, because none of those are even that big of red flags for a desperate man
Its almost as though men aren't as fearful of being murdered or sexually assaulted as women are.

That right there is one of the big problems, appearing successful and independent is harder than ever due to social media, for isolated men without connections
Lots of successful and independent people out there without social media. You don't need to make videos of yourself in designer clothes and luxury cars like Elliot Rodgers. (It didn't work for him either) But what do you mean by isolated men without connections? Do you not have friends?

I have no leverage to make a woman do what I demand but the bitch can ruin my life with a phone call.
Your choice of language is concerning. What exactly are you "demanding" of a woman?

Those are all pretty valid reasons to consider somebody a fakecel tbh, those all indicate a level of social and sexual success that appears out of reach for men like myself.
You're telling me a woman who's been asked out by a guy who's notorious for beating women (i.e. he's a threat to her life) is a fakecel for choosing not to risk her life?

I can't even get far enough for women to find out how much I distain them and my distain for them is their own fault for never giving me a chance
How far along DO you get?

They are disgusted by my intelligence and fear of consequences.
I'm sure that's it...

It's hard not to give up when giving up and not giving up produce identical results.
I agree, dating can be frustrating. But if you're repeatedly doing the same thing and getting the same results, maybe you should try something else?

Why go out to some shitty bar with a shitty cramped parking lot to have an overpriced meal and drink while eyeing up some middle aged housewives when I know nothing will come of it? What am I even meant to do, just walk up to a chick and tell her she's hot and I want to have sex with her?
Have you tired attempting to actually charm a woman? You know give her a pleasant evening? Being an engaging and interesting conversationalist? Being an active listener? Complimenting her? Maybe a bit of flirtation if the vibes are right?

But indeed why? It sounds to me like you've already decided that nothing good will come of it so why bother? You've chosen not to.
 
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And prostitute transactions are transactions, not interpersonal relationships. Different concept altogether. Anyone can buy sex from a professional sex-seller. I'm sure you can find cheap hookers if you try.
It still demonstrates the supply and demand of sex, men are typically the ones buying and the labor rates charged are among the highest of any industry. A moderately attractive youngish woman can sell her time for more than an experienced lawyer. A lot of whores aren't even young or attractive, it just goes to show how low men's standards really are when we're willing to pay $300 for a half hour with an overweight woman nearing middle age.

Of course prostitution is different than a relationship but do you honestly think any man would pay so much for sex if we could get it for free easily? I've never heard of an escortcel femcel which is also evidence of them not really being unable to get access to unpaid sex.

I will also say that although I understand that app swipes are or can be a proxy for a sense of being wanted, they are definitionally a superficial one. And a logical response to failing to find what you want in one arena is finding another arena. You may need to work harder in another arena, but ffs don't keep doing what continually hurts you.
Being wanted superficially is the first step towards having a relationship or sex so I think it's pretty reasonable to say that it's the most important. Everything else is downstream of that superficial attraction.

Lots of successful and independent people out there without social media. You don't need to make videos of yourself in designer clothes and luxury cars like Elliot Rodgers. (It didn't work for him either) But what do you mean by isolated men without connections? Do you not have friends?
I haven't had any real friends in years, they all cut me out of their lives due to my depression, desperation and frequent begging for help getting a woman. Being an incel ruined my life.
Your choice of language is concerning. What exactly are you "demanding" of a woman?
Sex, Love and Affection? Are you not the one who told me to take what I want? My whole point was that it's not an option in the modern western world.
You're telling me a woman who's been asked out by a guy who's notorious for beating women (i.e. he's a threat to her life) is a fakecel for choosing not to risk her life?
If one man wants a woman then plenty of other men probably want her as well.
How far along DO you get?
It's rare for me to even get to the point of talking to them. I don't get many matches online and when I go out I don't end up interacting with anyone.
I agree, dating can be frustrating. But if you're repeatedly doing the same thing and getting the same results, maybe you should try something else?
I don't see what I could do differently other than taking a more aggressive approach with clear sexual intent but I'd be afraid of stepping into some kind of legal grey area if she has regrets and tries to frame herself as being intimidated into having sex with me.
Have you tired attempting to actually charm a woman? You know give her a pleasant evening? Being an engaging and interesting conversationalist? Being an active listener? Complimenting her? Maybe a bit of flirtation if the vibes are right?
Like I said, I can't get that far. I rarely get the chance to talk to a woman and when I do I'm mostly focused on not pushing her away and staying out of legal trouble. Even when I do talk to women it's usually through text and I don't even know what to talk to them about.
But indeed why? It sounds to me like you've already decided that nothing good will come of it so why bother? You've chosen not to.
if I wasn't trying then why go to the gym and waste minutes every day swiping? The fact is that I am trying as much as I can and it's just not working. I don't get why everyone accuses incels of not trying even when our effort is consuming our lives.
 
Sex, Love and Affection? Are you not the one who told me to take what I want? My whole point was that it's not an option in the modern western world.
I didn't say that and I wouldn't give a sentence like that as advice for someone in your position. I'm bookmarking your reply so I can come back to it but first, a genuine question here so I can respond more constructively: are you autistic? if so, were you diagnosed as a child? did your parents put you in some kind of specialized counseling/coaching for it or no?
 
I didn't say that and I wouldn't give a sentence like that as advice for someone in your position. I'm bookmarking your reply so I can come back to it but first, a genuine question here so I can respond more constructively: are you autistic? if so, were you diagnosed as a child? did your parents put you in some kind of specialized counseling/coaching for it or no?
I guess I'm mistaking you for someone else, I didn't double check before my comment.

Yes I'm autistic, yes I was diagnosed as a child, yes I saw counseling but it didn't do or change much, I was just referred to groups of other dysfunctional people which I saw as useless for learning how to interact with the genpop.
 
Incels absolutely can get pussy. There are fucking junkie homeless old rotted bitches in your local town this minute living in a goddamn tarp in some closed down former crab shack some dumbass thought would make him rich in the fucking ghetto you could fuck for five bucks so I don’t want to hear it.

You have the same problem the femcels do you have standards but you want to be the super special snowflake true incels OC plz no steal.

Effeminate as shit.

Hell fuck roadkill some dudes are doing that now. Just stop fucking whining about how you need pussy goddamn
 
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