Why do people deny the existence of femcels? - ???????

[Vlad the Implier]

I guess I'm mistaking you for someone else, I didn't double check before my comment.

Yes I'm autistic, yes I was diagnosed as a child, yes I saw counseling but it didn't do or change much, I was just referred to groups of other dysfunctional people which I saw as useless for learning how to interact with the genpop.

I am quite limited as to how I can advise you in a tactical sense because (obviously) I don't know you personally, I don't know what your social media or dating app presence is like, and I don't know how you go about actually talking to or approaching women or how you generally carry yourself in public. I can't really critique these things, but I've inferred a few things about you.

You have some of the characteristic incel delusions/coping mechanisms like your explanation that women are "disgusted by your intelligence and fear of consequences" but you also seem to be aware of how your own behavior can be off-putting to others when you said that your friends cut you off because of your depression and desperation. You are capable of acknowledging your own fault in relationships which is a good thing. If you can't admit that you have personal shortcomings, then you can't grow as a person.

Knowing so little, there's only so much I can really say, but I don't think you are a lost cause. I think that for starters, it would be better for you to avoid thinking about or pursuing romantic relationships for now and work on more practical ones: don't spend so much time on the internet, find ways of connecting with people as friends over shared hobbies and such, maybe look for a coach/counselor who can help you understand on an individual basis how to better read people and be friends with them. Not having friends is a huge red flag to just about anyone, most men have at least a few friends they play vidya with or watch sports with over a few beers. If nothing else, maybe connect more with your immediate family.

I'm certain you do put in effort, and by all means keep hitting the gym, but you need to put effort into other things as well.

 

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Incel scientists have proven experimentally that any girl could just go on any dating app and get 200+ messages in one hour.

Spoiler: Proof

Even the ugliest women in all of recorded history have managed to successfully reproduce.

Any girl, even extremely ugly ones, can easily get matches on dating apps, there is no shortage of desperate men out there with no standards. Men will have sex with PASTA.

their standards are low enough to encompass other men in dresses and dead animals. It is not physically possible for a woman to be so repulsive that no man would.

 

[General Patton]

If you ain't Brad Pitt level you ain't getting Angelina Jolie. Same goes the other way around

If Lyle Lovett could get Julia Roberts, anybody can get an attractive women.

 

[There She Glows]

Audrey Hale was definitely a femcel

 

[Pomniman]

It's not about le heccin' misogyny, even though that's the Walmart brand green redditor simp's excuse for every retarded thing to ever happen, it's the fact that the kinds of women who genuinely aren't getting laid aren't the ones attentionwhoring about being uwu smol beeeen "femcels" with slutty selfies on social media. And even then if you rule out downies/severe physical disabilities/deformities it's almost always SSRIed out or just plain embittered divorcee hags who'll never self-identify as "femcels" because that's ooga booga vantablack internet nigger language no one over the age of 25 uses irl.

 

[Raven of the Burning God]

Audrey Hale was definitely a femcelVer archivo adjunto 9143446

Weren't there large sections of that journal where she rages about trying to be a little gay boy but she'd go cruising and dudes would fuck her right in the pussy and she loved it?

Spoiler: Why do people deny the existence of femcels?

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[DumbDude43]

In the same way that someone who is obese can return to a healthy weight if they genuinely desire to do so, so too should the vast majority of so-called incels actually take control of their own lives instead of blaming women for their plight.

not even close
being fat is completely within your control. unless you are paralyzed and being fed through a tube in a hospital, what you eat and how much you eat it is 100% down to your own decisions and nothing else.
'take control of their lives' on the other hand isn't. your social and financial status isn't something you can simply change at will whenever you want, it is completely dependent on how other people treat you. you can't change or control other peoples actions through raw willpower like you can your own diet.

 

[Brap God]

your social and financial status isn't something you can simply change at will whenever you want, it is completely dependent on how other people treat you.

Social and financial status have never held anyone back from getting some strange.

 

[beautiful person]

Femcels have existed for so long that they used to be called spinsters.

Also, there was a lot more to Chubbock's suicide than just being a femcel spinster (though her own mother did tell the media after her death that "she was a spinster at 29 and she didn't like it"). Chubbock was a dedicated career woman, which, along with her slightly off-putting and overtly serious personality, made dating difficult for her. However, being a dedicated career woman also made her very invested in the state of her job and her industry, so she became deeply dejected when the standards in TV news started to change where violent sensationalism became prioritized over in-depth conveyance and analysis of current events, including dry or mundane events that were still meaningful to everyday people. She saw the trajectory of an industry that she had a passion for degrading due to forces beyond her control. So she felt helpless and hopeless, which were feelings exasperated by already existing depression. Not being able to be dicked down (remember: fucking randos wasn't nearly as socially or self acceptable back then for women) was a contributing factor, but it wasn't really the main factor.

I watched a video a few days ago that went over this:

(Go to 10:00 for the relevant part.)

But yeah, to the main topic, femcels are a thing imo, but whether or not people are willing to concede to this depends on their definition of and standards for what counts as "involuntary celibacy," as well as their understanding of the differences between the sexes and how these differences manifest in terms of self-image, dating standards, and general attitudes towards life.

 

[GOY MENACE]

not even close
being fat is completely within your control. unless you are paralyzed and being fed through a tube in a hospital, what you eat and how much you eat it is 100% down to your own decisions and nothing else.

I was fat till 13 and i have these disgusting stretchemarks covering my entire upper body.
Ever since 13(now im 18 ) I've maintain an ideal (almost anorexic) body weight but these disgusting scars will continue to plague me.

Wich is @The_Cowcel point.

You can stop being fat but the consequences will haunt you.

'take control of their lives' on the other hand isn't. your social and financial status isn't something you can simply change at will whenever you want, it is completely dependent on how other people treat you. you can't change or control other peoples actions through raw willpower like you can your own diet.

Why not?

 

[There She Glows]

Weren't there large sections of that journal where she rages about trying to be a little gay boy but she'd go cruising and dudes would fuck her right in the pussy and she loved it?

I have no memory of that only pages of raging about how she had no penis to fuck the asses of black women.

 

[The_Cowcel]

Social and financial status have never held anyone back from getting some strange.

I have nobody to introduce me to women and going out is prohibitively expensive and time consuming for something that has never showed the slightest signs of working, so I am held back by social and financial status.

Knowing so little, there's only so much I can really say, but I don't think you are a lost cause. I think that for starters, it would be better for you to avoid thinking about or pursuing romantic relationships for now and work on more practical ones: don't spend so much time on the internet, find ways of connecting with people as friends over shared hobbies and such, maybe look for a coach/counselor who can help you understand on an individual basis how to better read people and be friends with them. Not having friends is a huge red flag to just about anyone, most men have at least a few friends they play vidya with or watch sports with over a few beers. If nothing else, maybe connect more with your immediate family.

I've tried but it's a struggle to make connections at my age especially as someone without many interests besides getting a woman, everything just feels like a dull cope. My problem isn't inability to read people, it's lacking the opportunities to and being paralyzed by social anxiety. Family isn't much of an option because they're usually too busy and are tired of me begging for help getting my life in order.

Why not?

Income is dependent on someone giving you that income, if you can't get the high paying job there's nothing you can do about it, and socializing is obviously reliant on others and their response. You seem like someone who's been raised on a life time of individualist propaganda telling you how much control of your own life you have when that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Of course prostitution is different than a relationship but do you honestly think any man would pay so much for sex if we could get it for free easily? I've never heard of an escortcel femcel which is also evidence of them not really being unable to get access to unpaid sex.

It's not just about sex.

Maybe it is for you - your Holy Grail, apparently. But it is not the sum total of what many people are looking for - and no, it's not just a matter of standards being "too high" - many people are unable to find someone interested in them.

Being wanted superficially is the first step towards having a relationship or sex so I think it's pretty reasonable to say that it's the most important. Everything else is downstream of that superficial attraction.

OK, listen: you literally have no idea about any of this. Which yes, is what you've been saying - that's the problem, I get it. So maybe stop talking as though you have it all figured out. You don't - your reasoning is very, very childish, and I mean in the literal sense. How old are you (ballpark)?

I'm sorry you've let this become a fixation and sacrificed friends and joy in life to it.

It's rare for me to even get to the point of talking to them. I don't get many matches online and when I go out I don't end up interacting with anyone.

Completely within your realm of influence. Talk to people. Everyone you encounter or stand near. Not a deep conversation, not trying to "get anything" from it, just chitchat. Don't get bent when you have short, breezy interchanges or a cute girl doesn't ignore her friends for you, immediately or at all.

I don't see what I could do differently other than taking a more aggressive approach with clear sexual intent but I'd be afraid of stepping into some kind of legal grey area if she has regrets and tries to frame herself as being intimidated into having sex with me.

Dear God. Please get off the internet. How about try a "hi" or "nice weather" before you spin fantasies of being accused of rape by a lying harlot bent on ruining your life.

Istg, my million-dollar idea is going to be a school teaching autists how to understand human interaction. I am sorry - that sounds mean. I get processing differences, but have you not been able to I observe how other people act and feel (= not devastated by no home run in the first inning of the world series, how to flow and not be so bothered).

But on reflection, if you are truly as miserable as you say, you are in no condition to be trying anything - ESPECIALLY if the things you're typing here are remotely close to your real thoughts and perceptions.

@Vlad the Implier said it more nicely.

Yeah, that still ain't a celibate. Sometimes it doesn't work out, sucks but shit happens

People want different things and do regularly use the terms slightly differently than your dogged originalism is insisting on.

Even the ugliest women in all of recorded history have managed to successfully reproduce.

So have the ugliest men.

individualist propaganda

OK, now I feel less bad about being impatient earlier. Look, just bc it hasn't worked for you (have you done absolutely everything possible? Maybe you have.) doesn't mean it's "propaganda.". That's just a goofy thing to say. This reactionary dismissal of everything that is said or commonly true is another trend that needs to die.

I don't doubt that you have real struggles and that every thing's not great, but you have thrown up a wall at absolutely every suggestion or observation made by anyone. Might be time to deal with the depression medically to try to find a way out of this hole.

 

[GOY MENACE]

I've tried but it's a struggle to make connections at my age especially as someone without many interests besides getting a woman, everything just feels like a dull cope. My problem isn't inability to read people, it's lacking the opportunities to and being paralyzed by social anxiety. Family isn't much of an option because they're usually too busy and are tired of me begging for help getting my life in order.

Do a hobby where you interact with woman casually.

Like a book club, ballet or skating.

Even if you don't get a relationship it will atleast help you fear woman less.

Income is dependent on someone giving you that income, if you can't get the high paying job there's nothing you can do about it, and socializing is obviously reliant on others and their response. You seem like someone who's been raised on a life time of individualist propaganda telling you how much control of your own life you have when that couldn't be further from the truth.

Maybe you're right.

I've born wealthy and was given a job by my uncle.

 

[crazedaze]

Bruh shs killed herself cuz she couldn't get cock.

Most woman will interpret what you said as "just be a prostitute for free."

She wants someone who actually loves her and connects with her not some dude who will use her.

Some dudes will stick their dick in everything and no woman would humiliate herself by being fucked and dumbed by a retard.

For a dude fucking an ugly or a mid bitch once and never seeing her again is a little conquest.
For a woman its very humiliating.

You've contradicted yourself and this is the heart of why people say femcels don't exist. Men want it to mean "she couldn't get dick" and pretend that this is what it means, because when they say they're an incel they mean they can't use women they don't give a shit about as cumsocks, but any woman can get random dick obviously.

 

[The_Cowcel]

OK, listen: you literally have no idea about any of this. Which yes, is what you've been saying - that's the problem, I get it. So maybe stop talking as though you have it all figured out. You don't - your reasoning is very, very childish, and I mean in the literal sense. How old are you (ballpark)?

Nearly 30, but socially stunted due to my social life consisting of me being kicked from every group I've felt comfortable in since I was in my mid teens.

I'm sorry you've let this become a fixation and sacrificed friends and joy in life to it.

None of those sacrifices were made willingly and intentionally, all I was trying to do was trying to find ways to improve my situation but my helplessness always ends up pissing people off.

Completely within your realm of influence. Talk to people. Everyone you encounter or stand near. Not a deep conversation, not trying to "get anything" from it, just chitchat. Don't get bent when you have short, breezy interchanges or a cute girl doesn't ignore her friends for you, immediately or at all.

Dear God. Please get off the internet. How about try a "hi" or "nice weather" before you spin fantasies of being accused of rape by a lying harlot bent on ruining your life.

If I'm not trying to get anything out of the interaction then why would I say anything rather than just avoiding the stress of conversation? I don't even have much to say and I have very little point of reference for what other people do on account of my isolation. Every bit of advice I've found has basically just been to "just try", but every time I go out I'm too nervous to do anything.

Istg, my million-dollar idea is going to be a school teaching autists how to understand human interaction. I am sorry - that sounds mean. I get processing differences, but have you not been able to I observe how other people act and feel (= not devastated by no home run in the first inning of the world series, how to flow and not be so bothered).

My observations of other people are very limited in all honesty. I don't get many chances to observe people generally but even when I do most people already have their own groups so that's a different dynamic than what I need to learn from. Most men with a basic social competence aren't still out trying to make new connections actively for me to observe so that makes escaping my position harder.

So have the ugliest men.

Really? Because I've been told that I should be content with my pathetic loveless life because 80% of men historically never were able to reproduce or whatever.

I don't doubt that you have real struggles and that every thing's not great, but you have thrown up a wall at absolutely every suggestion or observation made by anyone. Might be time to deal with the depression medically to try to find a way out of this hole.

I went down that rabbit hole earlier on in life and it was a tedious process that went on for years, didn't solve anything, lead to me being content without having friends or a social life(despite still being miserable generally), wasted time and added another source of stress to my life. I'm pretty disillusioned when it comes to therapy and psychiatry, especially knowing that it will take multiple sessions to hammer in that I am not being hyperbolic with my statements, that I am actually trying, and then I'll be told to get some hobbies that end up being more like chores to me which I'll probably end up dropping after a couple months and without having made any new connections.

Do a hobby where you interact with woman casually.

I've tried, but nothing has been enjoyable or seemed like it would be very productive, it's hard to keep motivated to do something I have no interest in that I don't think will work for me when I'm weighing up the time and money spent. It's hard to keep engaging with a hobby that I only got into to meet women and which doesn't even seem to be working for that.

You've contradicted yourself and this is the heart of why people say femcels don't exist. Men want it to mean "she couldn't get dick" and pretend that this is what it means, because when they say they're an incel they mean they can't use women they don't give a shit about as cumsocks, but any woman can get random dick obviously.

How does easy access to free sex not invalidate the idea of being an involuntary celibate? Even if they aren't actually wanted most guys will still pretend like they are until something better comes along.

 

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So have the ugliest men.

The elephant man died a true incel, alone, in his dungeon that he specifically requested not have any mirrors.



The mule faced woman managed to have a son after a drunken encounter at a bar.

How is it possible to unironically claim femcel status when this literal circus freak managed to get laid (without paying)?

 

[crazedaze]

How does easy access to free sex not invalidate the idea of being an involuntary celibate?

.... because celibacy means not having sex

 

[Vlad the Implier]

Weren't there large sections of that journal where she rages about trying to be a little gay boy but she'd go cruising and dudes would fuck her right in the pussy and she loved it?

Spoiler: Why do people deny the existence of femcels?

FemcelsDoNotExist.mp4

I think you're getting confused with another pooner. Audrey seemed to want to be the one doing the fucking rather than getting fucked which is of course impossible since she was without pen0r.

I was fat till 13 and i have these disgusting stretchemarks covering my entire upper body.
Ever since 13(now im 18 ) I've maintain an ideal (almost anorexic) body weight but these disgusting scars will continue to plague me.

Have you tried vitamin E lotion? I've heard of people getting good results with that.

Istg, my million-dollar idea is going to be a school teaching autists how to understand human interaction. I am sorry - that sounds mean

I would love for this to be made into a TV show.

I've tried, but nothing has been enjoyable or seemed like it would be very productive, it's hard to keep motivated to do something I have no interest in that I don't think will work for me when I'm weighing up the time and money spent. It's hard to keep engaging with a hobby that I only got into to meet women and which doesn't even seem to be working for that.

I've tried but it's a struggle to make connections at my age especially as someone without many interests besides getting a woman, everything just feels like a dull cope. My problem isn't inability to read people, it's lacking the opportunities to and being paralyzed by social anxiety. Family isn't much of an option because they're usually too busy and are tired of me begging for help getting my life in order.

I think I'm seeing the layers to your problem. Correct me if I got something wrong here: You are depressed, because of this you have anhedonia, so you don't have interests or hobbies, which means that basically your entire personality is centered around finding a woman or your frustrations with not getting one.

I stand by my previous suggestion that you are really not in a good state to try with women at this point, I think attempts at dating right now will likely only frustrate you further. You should really work on yourself, find some way to treat your depression, be it medically or with changes to your lifestyle. Find things you enjoy doing purely for your own happiness and not just to meet women.

This is probably the most important thing for you to understand concerning friends and family: if you want to have a friend, you need to be a friend. If 90% of a person's interactions with you is just you complaining about your problems, begging for help, begging to get introduced to women, etc. Naturally, they're going to find you miserable to be with and distance themselves from you. Relationships are built upon mutual interest in each other's company, its not all about you and your problems, you need to be an enjoyable person for other people to want to be friends with you.

 

[FieldPiece]

They are disgusted by my intelligence and fear of consequences.

I'm sure it's that and has nothing to do with your personality bro. I get where you're coming from given the average women is as shallow as a petri dish and as vapid as a tabloid but you come off like a douchebag.

There is no such thing as a femcel though. Women can get immediate attention and intimacy with no financial cost and basically no effort, even if they're fat/ugly. They're just angry they don't get the cream of the crop despite their looks/obesity because growing up everyone is treating them like royalty.

The issue with women is they know they're born with inherint value so they just coast off that and never actually develop a personality. Every "hobby" they have is just to get more attention which is why every single thing they post about it conveniently has them in the frame.