The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

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Well, this season they're establishing some new adversaries, with the Kaylon taking a back seat for now, and even getting the series' version of Q. Unfortunately this version of Q has none of the charisma the TNG version had.
 
Started out strong and that fucking Duke Nukem twist got me, jesus.

And I didn't mind the end; a nice hard development to an in-universe callback is a great alternative if you want your own Q. I wouldn't say she lacked charisma, rather they clearly want to set them up as misguided antagonists so the contrast between her words and Q-like arrogance felt intentional and justified, which is why it was backed immediately with Space McFarlane's philosophical disagreement. Same "you think we're bugs, but you're dicks and actually humans know a thing or two!" thing, though that makes more sense with Q since he's an audience/author proxy rather than an in-universe race ascended to universal oneness so it's a little ass-backwards (since the basic Trek gimmick is that in-universe humans are a little more evolved than us so they have an example to impart).

But the middle fucking dragged, damn. You expect Trek characters to always do the dumb option, but they hypothesise and rationalise a choice as they go. These idiots had all the information they needed after the mausoleum, and we had to watch them forget about investigating and just trudge to the next vignette. Sure, get on the convenient boat you fucking retards, I wonder what'll happen??
 
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Well, this season they're establishing some new adversaries, with the Kaylon taking a back seat for now, and even getting the series' version of Q. Unfortunately this version of Q has none of the charisma the TNG version had.
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The Q have a mythic quality to them in the same way Mephistopheles or Loki or Satan in Job do. This lady sounds like more like the Organians or the Excalibians.
 
This week's episode was pretty solid overall, but am I the only one who wishes they'd stuck with the initial plot they seemed to be going with, namely TNG's "The Royale" but set in a high school?

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There are two unintentionally funny things about The Orville that I found: The Union is a really a confederacy and the Union's Admiralty favor beta males. The Moclans run their own military separate from the Union and can hard bargain with the rest of the council, insisting that their laws can supercede Union law. That means the Federal government--the Union council--is the weaker party either by law or by military might. I'm going to go with military might because Union ships are better at maneuver and receive shield upgrades from the Moclans.
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It actually reminds me of the Enterprise-era Starfleet's relationship with the Vulcans - perhaps a sign of Braga's influence behind the scenes of this show.
 
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Just getting around to episode 3... is that a real name?
 
This week's episode was about as subtle as a tranny at a library, but the twist was at least interesting.

Also, it gave us this glorious image.

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It is interesting seeing Seth say the show is completely different to current Nu-Trek.

It does remind me of the B5/Trek days of yore (which I really miss).

 
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I found this episode far better than last week's in almost every way. Given world events and how heavy-handed most shows are, it's hard not to read it as blatant allegory but I try to be fair and there is more nuance to it than you'd get with most shows and no absolute "this faction represents real world group _________".

I liked the scene where they confront the parents with what might have been. Ed's horror is to me rather over-stated. I thought it was going to be torture or execution. But instead it's challenging their beliefs - 'here is the child that might have been. Are you *really* okay with what you did?' I was impressed.

For a culture that executes political opponents (sometimes), they plainly also set a great store on the value of a child's life. I also liked that Ed chose not to expose Alea (sp?) for her sake - he wanted to protect his child first and foremost. I like that.

One line made me raise an eyebrow and I wonder if Mr. Macfarlane caught it. I suspect he puts a lot of thought into the message and scripts of his show (in fact it's obvious he does) but I think this one is a viewpoint so natural it escaped consideration. Kelly remarks something like "Populism often beats thought".

It's a sentiment I held for a long time, never really questioning it. Of COURSE appeals to emotion override nuance and cool rationality in elections. Who thinks otherwise? And yet whilst that is demonstrably the case in many cases, I no longer necessarily equate populism with emotional reasoning. The underlying viewpoint of anyone who says that seems to be that it's a dichotomy and that populism is always the unconsidered viewpoint. But I see too many cases these days where populism and rationality are now bedfellows. You can't rationally believe that the global elites who oppose populist sentiments are the Good Guys.

But then it's just a passing remark by a single character who would reasonably believe it. It struck me, though.
 
Another great episode. This time we learn more about the Krill system. It was nice to see all the admirals in the same room and Bruce Boxleitner as the Union President.
I also liked that the writers didn't fall into the "muh Drumpf" trap, here we see that both sides of the Krill political system use the same tactics, just like in real life. This is one of the many reasons why I love The Orville, the writers (and Seth) have their own political opinions but they don't feel the need to destroy the toys and spit in the face of the viewers.
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That scene is also quite interesting for the end of the episode where Ed says that he misses her despite having barely met her.

IDanceonTrannyGraves dijo:
It does remind me of the B5/Trek days of yore (which I really miss).
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That's funny because the way they filmed the streets scenes reminded me of the Zocalo from B5.
I've dowloaded a HD version of B5 the other day so I'm going to rewatch the show.
 
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Fine. Apart from the Centauri... Though actually, thinking back I got a slightly Russian vibe from them as much as I did Italian. No, better - Austro-Hungarian. They were the "Sick Man" of known space.
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the spoonies had a useles colonie with ancient culture that never realy progressed, they were super gungho to go to war but super bad at it and they switched sides, how can you be more italian?
 
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