The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

[Meriasek]

It's amazing to me how many people will suck Seth McFarlane's dick because Star Trek is virtually dead.

Seth is still a crazed Leftist loon, kids.

Be that as it may, The Orville is still great.

 

[marvlouslie]

Be that as it may, The Orville is still great.

Keep on supporting media created by people who hate you, bucko.

 

[HarryHowler]

It's amazing to me how many people will suck Seth McFarlane's dick because Star Trek is virtually dead.

Seth is still a crazed Leftist loon, kids.

Newsflash: so was Roddenberry and just about everyone else who produced Star Trek over the years. It's just something that, for better or worse, goes with the territory.

 

[marvlouslie]

Newsflash: so was Roddenberry and just about everyone else who produced Star Trek over the years. It's just something that, for better or worse, goes with the territory.

Yes, Gene was a Leftist, but he created stories and fiction that EVERYONE could enjoy. Not just one side with a rabid need to talk down to people like they were fucking stupid.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Yes, Gene was a Leftist, but he created stories and fiction that EVERYONE could enjoy. Not just one side with a rabid need to talk down to people like they were fucking stupid.

Yeah, modern Trek is doing that shit. The Orville isn’t. Calm the fuck down.

 

[marvlouslie]

Yeah, modern Trek is doing that shit. The Orville isn’t. Calm the fuck down.

It's still created by a man who believes in that shit, so....

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It's still created by a man who believes in that shit, so....

And yet, he’s doing exactly what you just said Gene did: creating stories EVERYONE can enjoy. It’s literally why people consider Orville actual Star Trek. So who cares what he believes? So long as he’s not cramming it into the show, I could give a rats ass. The show is good.

 

[Gimmick Account]

Every great artist in history would have been annoying as fuck on Twitter, stop caring about that shit.
Not that Orville is much above Voyager-level but nothing else is gonna scratch that itch. You doom yourself to itchyness

 

[Meriasek]

Yes, Gene was a Leftist, but he created stories and fiction that EVERYONE could enjoy. Not just one side with a rabid need to talk down to people like they were fucking stupid.

Yeah, and that's also what The Orville is doing. McFarlane might be a rabid lefty, but The Orville, for the most part, isn't just a mouthpiece. And even where it is a mouthpiece, it's actually decently done.

 

[HarryHowler]

MacFarlane's anti-religious bias does quite often come through, in fairness - but there's also episodes like that one in the first season that mocked trial by social media and the idea of cultural appropriation, so it's a lot more even-handed than the sort of messaging you see on NuTrek.

 

[TVB]

Yes, we know that Seth is a complete atheist leftist in the same way Alan Moore is a communist extremist and/or Varg Vikernes is a far-right extremist. We know that he is responsible for how the adult animation has become in this day and age due to the cheap, lazy, and repetitive animation style.

Having that said, there's an old saying, judge the art by only the art itself and not the artist. Honestly, early Family Guy is comfy, American Dad is still Seth's best show, Cleveland Show is criminally underrated, the first Ted movie is still fun to watch, his jazz albums are great, and furthermore, The Orville is a much better show than any NuTrek bullshit. It's not just a fan tribute to Star Trek, BUT it IS Star Trek, and Seth is not hiding it. Still, it's a great and entertaining show, and I love watching it more than shit like Discovery or Picard, were the two ruin the Trek lore and/or legacy.

 

[marvlouslie]

 

[TVB]

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Continue to project, but it isn't gonna stop me from enjoying the show. Cope and seethe.

 

[Miller]

Teaser for the next episode: Mortality Paradox

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

I’m not in love with the new season, but I jump on that new episode as soon as I get the notification.
I tried a week of Paramount plus and couldn’t finish the first episode of Strange new worlds.

 

[Ike Aim]

Having that said, there's an old saying, judge the art by only the art itself and not the artist.

That is definitely how I've been trying to judge these shows over the past few years. I raged at nuTrek and Disney Wars for probably a decade from the JJ films through STD and until after The Last Skywalker or whatever the 3rd Disney film was called. After that, I accepted these franchises weren't going to change and decided if I was going to continue to engage with their content, it would be on their own terms, not in relation to shit I actually like. So armed with that, I thought The Mandalorian was ok for TV show, I continued to ignore STD and the cartoons, I laughed at Picard, and I've been surprisingly impressed with Strange New Worlds while watching Obi-Wan for the mediocre TV show that it is.

The problem I have with The Orville is I can't figure out how I'm supposed to take it. The first season was promising, but after that - during early S2 -shit just got gay and weird, then the waifu left, then it started slipping into this office dramady format. If they want to have live fire exercises with space fighter jets in space dock that's fine. TNG tested their phasers in main engineering. But TNG was a show acceptable for young teenagers. The Orville has men having gay sex. So which is it? Is it a mature show or is it not? Are we supposed to take these scenarios seriously or no? The Orville can be legit scary like a horror film at times, but it also tries to be simplistic and quaint. They make fart jokes, then they take things super cereal. If they were going to completely ditch the comedy, I say go for it, but they needed to do a sweep of the show and come correct with the worldbuilding and tone across the board.

In the end, I think they were just going for a MASH in space thing that never quite found its footing. Maybe this season will really turn things around. I'll keep watching. But I'm a little let down by how all-over-the-place the writing is so far these first two episodes and it tracks with the frustrations I've been having since early Season 2.

 

[TVB]

American Dad and Cleveland Show also used to go all over the place but they both calmed themselves down and found their true identities, so it doesn't come as surprise that The Orville began a bit weird (the only difference is that the first two began as Family Guy clones before finally showing their true identities, while The Orville started out as another sci-fi opera, yet it was viewed as a Star Trek fan tribute, which Seth still acknowledges, so later on it was made to some comedy). I know it's dumb and all, but I've gotten used to it.

 

[northstar747]

Eh Orville is part love letter to 1970-1980s sci fi tv shows like TNG, and part what ever.

The kaylon plot was rather exciting.

I can feel how they were trying to do something like "best of both worlds"

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

There are two unintentionally funny things about The Orville that I found: The Union is a really a confederacy and the Union's Admiralty favor beta males. The Moclans run their own military separate from the Union and can hard bargain with the rest of the council, insisting that their laws can supercede Union law. That means the Federal government--the Union council--is the weaker party either by law or by military might. I'm going to go with military might because Union ships are better at maneuver and receive shield upgrades from the Moclans. This general weakness in Union policy is correlated to the kind of Admiralty that work in the Union. Because the general ethos of the Union is to negotiate rather than fight, it means they look for officers that prefer cooperation. The result is that Union policy tends to be unnecessarily conciliatory to its detriment, like in the astrology episode. The Union would rather leave officers in the hands of a belligerent government even if military extradition would most likely succeed with little risk. The Union lacks senior officers with real-politick acumen which leads to their reactionary foreign policy. Do you think you'd see a Jellico in the Union? Or a Sisko?

 

[Gimmick Account]

I tried a week of Paramount plus and couldn’t finish the first episode of Strange new worlds.

I think the first episode had to shit out some STD residue so they could move on, but it improves massively after that. Don't give em any money, but I'd recommend trying the next couple if you like a more TOS vibe; SNW is my favourite currently.