Debate user The_Cowcel about incels.

also I don't think I've driven more than a total of 20,000 miles but I've already hit four cars in that brief period of time. I'm just bad at everything so I hate trying.
Are you fucking trolling us
Has this been an elaborate ruse cruise this whole time

And aw on the driving. Were the scenarios similar each time?
I'm hoping he answers because I need to know.

Man I'm starting to think a group home with a structured daily schedule of activities and limited internet access would suit you best
That sounds like hell. I think getting a woman would suit me best.
You could find a woman in a group home. Or if you can't find a woman because women all said no, you can find fun in a group home.
 
Are you fucking trolling us
Has this been an elaborate ruse cruise this whole time
TBF, one was while I was fucking with my phone trying to reject a call, I hit two at once when I was parking in an overcrowded small parking lot, and hit the fourth because I was told to try going to a local bar that had a shitty parking lot as well so it was only three accidents and most of them would have been avoided if not for me taking the advice of people telling me to go out and do things. I'm fucking awful at parking at least in the truck that I drive, I almost never park between the lines and when I do it's usually because I got out and saw how bad of a job I did parking and decided to readjust.

All of the cars I hit while parking were stationary.
Can you take an IQ test and post the results?
Took one in school for some sort of retard benefits or whatever. I scored low 130s IIRC.
 
That sounds like hell. I think getting a woman would suit me best.
What behavior? I have almost no interactions with women.
>has no interactions with women
>100% certain that "getting a woman" will fix him

????
Are you fucking trolling us
Has this been an elaborate ruse cruise this whole time
In fairness to Cowcel, that's pretty common for autistics. I think he's Level 2 autistic in terms of functioning. He's not a shrieking tard but he isn't one of the spergs who just comes across as a quirky nerd either. It sucks for people like him because they fall into a no-man's land where people expect him to be normal because he can talk and hold down a job (I think he's in trade school?) and don't give him the grace they would for somebody who was more obviously challenged.
You could find a woman in a group home. Or if you can't find a woman because women all said no, you can find fun in a group home.
Group homes are sex segregated for obvious reasons. But the people in them typically participate in day programs where they interact with other disabled individuals of the opposite sex. People with intellectual/developmental disabilities have lower inhibitions and are just as horny as normies, so this would unironically be his best chance to get some pussy. I don't think he's disabled enough to qualify though.
 
TBF, one was while I was fucking with my phone trying to reject a call, I hit two at once when I was parking in an overcrowded small parking lot, and hit the fourth because I was told to try going to a local bar that had a shitty parking lot as well so it was only three accidents and most of them would have been avoided if not for me taking the advice of people telling me to go out and do things. I'm fucking awful at parking at least in the truck that I drive, I almost never park between the lines and when I do it's usually because I got out and saw how bad of a job I did parking and decided to readjust.

All of the cars I hit while parking were stationary.

Took one in school for some sort of retard benefits or whatever. I scored low 130s IIRC.

So it's advice/ advice-givers/ making an effort that are effectively at fault, not that you drive a thing bigger than you know how to park and repeatedly refuse to learn to do better.

This is absurd, and it encapsulates your world-view and approach. And it is a critical reason you will never succeed in your Love Lust Quest unless and until you do a 180. You think backward, and though you (claim to) blame yourself as a hopeless mess, you really blame the world for things within your control.

Stop being so limp. (This is not a sexual joke.) "I've never been taught." "I just stay at home.""Even if I did something I'd just talk to Discorders about it, nothing face-to-face." Get up, get out, and do something, independently. Own it. You put more energy into dismissing good ideas (and step-by-step instructions) and concocting reasons to flip back and forth between "I'm a doomed loser" and "everyone and everything has forsaken me" (anything to claim abject and intractable misery) than taking action on anything.

A couple of other notes:
  • Being cold-approached for sex is exceptionally off-putting.
  • Also, your paranoia about being arrested for underage girls or false rape is very stupid and indicates a severe lack of conception of proportion or reality vs internet exaggeration. .
  • Less importantly, "millions" of women were never aware of Chris Chan, and the most notable woman he "got" was his mother - and even then only after she had lost half her marbles, which is exploitation not achievement*. The lesson of Chris and women, aside from that horrific scenario, is that he was a weird and stubborn person who ran into all kinds of trouble due to his stubbornly creepy approaches to finding a boyfriend-free girl.
*Meanwhile he couldn't be bothered with Fiona. She dodged a bullet there.​

The following excerpts - lightly edited in the excerpts provided*, and emphasis only lightly added bc the whole book is chock-full of the same languidity yet high, self-absorbed melodrama articulated itt and countless times on the site- are relevant. And I know ain't no one reading alla that, but I found it amusing to put together, particularly how perfectly Werther's thinking echoes and plays out here.

* yes, I did just re-read the whole thing, nice way to spend an hour, tbh, both for itself and for the mini-project of this comment. @The_Cowcel, you could spend three hours of time reading the whole book and do better for your brain than games and discord and wringing your hands or ignoring advice for 30. But to be clear, the lesson is Don't Be a Young Werther.

[Setting: Goethe is a young man who falls for Charlotte, who is engaged and then married to Albert. Werther also has a job/role adjacent to minor nobility, being a young man of some social stature himself. The novel is primarily his set of letters to his friend, Wilhelm, wherein he describes his increasing distraction and obsession, which grows to the point of causing him social injury, in addition to constant and accelerating hysteria and wild melancholy. The letters extend over two calendar years, and I've kept the excerpted ones in order - so starting with the September ones, we're in a different calendar year than the first two excepted letters.]

August 3O.​

Unhappy being that I am! Why do I thus deceive myself? What is to come of all this wild, aimless, endless passion? I cannot pray except to her. My imagination sees nothing but her: all surrounding objects are of no account, except as they relate to her. In this dreamy state I enjoy many happy hours, till at length I feel compelled to tear myself away from her. Ah, Wilhelm, to what does not my heart often compel me! When I have spent several hours in her company, till I feel completely absorbed by her figure, her grace, the divine expression of her thoughts, my mind becomes gradually excited to the highest excess, my sight grows dim, my hearing confused, my breathing oppressed as if by the hand of a murderer, and my beating heart seeks to obtain relief for my aching senses. I am sometimes unconscious whether I really exist. If in such moments I find no sympathy, and Charlotte does not allow me to enjoy the melancholy consolation of bathing her hand with my tears, I feel compelled to tear myself from her, when I either wander through the country, climb some precipitous cliff, or force a path through the trackless thicket, where I am lacerated and torn by thorns and briers; and thence I find relief. Sometimes I lie stretched on the ground, overcome with fatigue and dying with thirst; sometimes, late in the night, when the moon shines above me, I recline against an aged tree in some sequestered forest, to rest my weary limbs, when, exhausted and worn, I sleep till break of day. O Wilhelm! the hermit’s cell, his sackcloth, and girdle of thorns would be luxury and indulgence compared with what I suffer. Adieu! I see no end to this wretchedness except the grave.

December 24.​

As I anticipated, the ambassador occasions me infinite annoyance. He is the most punctilious blockhead under heaven. He does everything step by step, with the trifling minuteness of an old woman; and he is a man whom it is impossible to please, [...] he cannot comprehend our meaning. It is deplorable to be connected with such a fellow.

[...]

And you are to blame for all this, you who persuaded me to bend my neck to this yoke by preaching a life of activity to me. If the man who plants vegetables, and carries his corn to town on market-days, is not more usefully employed than I am, then let me work ten years longer at the galleys to which I am now chained.

Oh, the brilliant wretchedness, the weariness, that one is doomed to witness among the silly people whom we meet in society here! The ambition of rank! How they watch, how they toil, to gain precedence! What poor and contemptible passions are displayed in their utter nakedness! [...]I cannot understand how human beings can so debase themselves.

Every day I observe more and more the folly of judging of others by ourselves; and I have so much trouble with myseif, and my own heart is in such constant agitation, that I am well content to let others pursue their own course, if they only allow me the same privilege.

What provokes me most is the unhappy extent to which distinctions of rank are carried. I know perfectly well how necessary are inequalities of condition, and I am sensible of the advantages I myself derive therefrom; but I would not have these institutions prove a barrier to the small chance of happiness which I may enjoy on this earth.

[...]

September 3.​

I sometimes cannot understand how she can love another, how she dares love another, when I love nothing in this world so completely, so devotedly, as I love her, when I know only her, and have no other possession.

September 5.​

Charlotte had written a letter to her husband in the country, where he was detained by business. It commenced, “My dearest love, return as soon as possible: I await you with a thousand raptures." A friend who arrived, brought word, that, for certain reasons, he could not return immediately. Charlotte’s letter was not forwarded, and the same evening it fell into my hands. I read it, and smiled. She asked the reason. “What a heavenly treasure is imagination:" I exclaimed; “I fancied for a moment that this was written to me." She paused, and seemed displeased. I was silent.

September 12.​

[...]
I turned my face away. She should not act thus. She ought not to excite my imagination with such displays of heavenly innocence and happiness, nor awaken my heart from its slumbers, in which it dreams of the worthlessness of life! And why not? Because she knows how much I love her.

October 19.​

Alas! the void the fearful void, which I feel in my bosom! Sometimes I think, if I could only once but once, press her to my heart, this dreadful void would be filled.

October 27.​

I could tear open my bosom with vexation to think how little we are capable of influencing the feelings of each other. No one can communicate to me those sensations of love, joy, rapture, and delight which I do not naturally possess; and, though my heart may glow with the most lively affection, I cannot make the happiness of one in whom the same warmth is not inherent.

November 3.​

Witness, Heaven, how often I lie down in my bed with a wish, and even a hope, that I may never awaken again. And in the morning, when I open my eyes, I behold the sun once more, and am wretched. If I were whimsical, I might blame the weather, or an acquaintance, or some personal disappointment, for my discontented mind; and then this insupportable load of trouble would not rest entirely upon myself. But, alas! I feel it too sadly. I am alone the cause of my own woe, am I not? Truly, my own bosom contains the source of all my sorrow, as it previously contained the source of all my pleasure. Am I not the same being who once enjoyed an excess of happiness, who, at every step, saw paradise open before him, and whose heart was ever expanded toward the whole world? And this heart is now dead, no sentiment can revive it; my eyes are dry; and my senses, no more refreshed by the influence of soft tears, wither and consume my brain. I suffer much, for I have lost the only charm of life: that active, sacred power which created worlds around me, — it is no more. When I look from my window at the distant hills, and behold the morning sun breaking through the mists, and illuminating the country around, which is still wrapped in silence, whilst the soft stream winds gently through the willows, which have shed their leaves; when glorious nature displays all her beauties before me, and her wondrous prospects are ineffectual to extract one tear of joy from my withered heart, I feel that in such a moment I stand like a reprobate before heaven, hardened, insensible, and unmoved. Oftentimes do I then bend my knee to the earth, and implore God for the blessing of tears, as the desponding labourer in some scorching climate prays for the dews of heaven to moisten his parched corn.

But I feel that God does not grant sunshine or rain to our importunate entreaties. [...]

November 15.​

I thank you, Wilhelm, for your cordial sympathy, for your excellent advice; and I implore you to be quiet. Leave me to my sufferings. In spite of my wretchedness, I have still strength enough for endurance. [...]What is the destiny of man, but to fill up the measure of his sufferings, and to drink his allotted cup of bitterness? And if that same cup proved bitter to the God of heaven, under a human form, why should I affect a foolish pride, and call it sweet? Why should I be ashamed of shrinking at that fearful moment, when my whole being will tremble between existence and annihilation, when a remembrance of the past, like a flash of lightning, will illuminate the dark gulf of futurity, when everything shall dissolve around me, and the whole world vanish away? Is not this the voice of a creature oppressed beyond all resource, self-deficient, about to plunge into inevitable destruction, and groaning deeply at its inadequate strength, “My God! my God! why hast thou forsaken me?” And should I feel ashamed to utter the same expression? Should I not shudder at a prospect which had its fears, even for him who folds up the heavens like a garment?

November 21.​

She does not feel, she does not know, that she is preparing a poison which will destroy us both; and I drink deeply of the draught which is to prove my destruction. What mean those looks of kindness with which she often — often? no, not often, but sometimes, regards me, that complacency with which she hears the involuntary sentiments which frequently escape me, and the tender pity for my sufferings which appears in her countenance?

[...]

December 2O.​

I am grateful to your love, Wilhelm, for having repeated your advice so seasonably. Yes, you are right: it is undoubtedly better that I should depart. But I do not entirely approve your scheme of returning at once to your neighbourhood; at least, I should Iike to make a little excursion on the way, particularly as we may now expect a continued frost, and consequently good roads. I am much pleased with your intention of coming to fetch me; only delay your journey for a fortnight, and wait for another letter from me. One should gather nothing before it is ripe, and a fortnight sooner or later makes a great difference. Entreat my mother to pray for her son, and tell her I beg her pardon for all the unhappiness I have occasioned her. It has ever been my fate to give pain to those whose happiness I should have promoted. Adieu, my dearest friend. May every blessing of Heaven attend you! Farewell.

We find it difficult to express the emotions with which Charlotte’s soul was agitated during the whole of this time, whether in relation to her husband or to her unfortunate friend; although we are enabled, by our knowledge of her character, to understand their nature.

It is certain that she had formed a determination, by every means in her power to keep Werther at a distance; and, if she hesitated in her decision, it was from a sincere feeling of friendly pity, knowing how much it would cost him, indeed, that he would find it almost impossible to comply with her wishes. But various causes now urged her to be firm. Her hushand preserved a strict silence about the whole matter; and she never made it a subject of conversation, feeling bound to prove to him by her conduct that her sentiments agreed with his.

The same day, which was the Sunday before Christmas, after Werther had written the last-mentioned letter to his friend, he came in the evening to Charlotte’s house, and found her alone. [...] “You shall have a gift too, if you behave well,” said Charlotte, hiding her embarrassment under sweet smile. “And what do you call behaving well? What should I do, what can I do, my dear Charlotte?” said he. “Thursday night,” she answered, “is Christmas Eve. The children are all to be here, and my father too: there is a present for each; do you come likewise, but do not come before that time.” Werther started. “I desire you will not: it must be so,” she continued. “I ask it of you as a favour, for my own peace and tranquillity. We cannot go on in this manner any longer." He turned away his face walked hastily up and down the room, muttering indistinctly, “We cannot go on in this manner any longer!” Charlotte, seeing the violent agitation into which these words had thrown him, endeavoured to divert his thoughts by different questions, but in vain. “No, Charlotte!” he exclaimed; “I will never see you any more!" “And why so?” she answered. “We may — we must see each other again; only let it be with more discretion. Oh! why were you born with that excessive, that ungovernable passion for everything that is dear to you?” Then, taking his hand, she said, “I entreat of you to be more calm: your talents, your understanding, your genius, will furnish you with a thousand resources. Be a man, and conquer an unhappy attachment toward a creature who can do nothing but pity you.” He bit his lips, and looked at her with a gloomy countenance. She continued to hold his hand. “Grant me but a moment’s patience, Werther,” she said. “Do you not see that you are deceiving yourself, that you are seeking your own destruction? Why must you love me, me only, who belong to another? I fear, I much fear, that it is only the impossibility of possessing me which makes your desire for me so strong.” He drew back his hand, whilst he surveyed her with a wild and angry look. “’Tis well!” he exclaimed, “’tis very well! Did not Albert furnish you with this reflection? It is profound, a very profound remark.” “A reflection that any one might easily make,” she answered; “and is there not a woman in the whole world who is at liberty, and has the power to make you happy? Conquer yourself: look for such a being, and believe me when I say that you will certainly find her. I have long felt for you, and for us all: you have confined yourself too long within the limits of too narrow a circle. Conquer yourself; make an effort: a short journey will be of service to you. Seek and find an object worthy of your love; then return hither, and let us enjoy together all the happiness of the most perfect friendship.”

“This speech,” replied Werther with a cold smile, “this speech should be printed, for the benefit of all teachers. My dear Charlotte, allow me but a short time longer, and all will be well." “But however, Werther,” she added, “do not come again before Christmas.” He was about to make some answer, when Albert came in. They saluted each other coldly, and with mutual embarrassment paced up and down the room. Werther made some common remarks; Albert did the same, and their conversation soon dropped. Albert asked his wife about some household matters; and, finding that his commissions were not executed, he used some expressions which, to Werther’s ear, savoured of extreme harshness. He wished to go, but had not power to move; and in this situation he remained till eight o’clock, his uneasiness and discontent continually increasing. At length the cloth was laid for supper, and he took up his hat and stick. Albert invited him to remain; but Werther, fancying that he was merely paying a formal compliment, thanked him coldly, amd left the house.

[...]

On Monday morning, the 21st of December, he wrote to Charlotte the following letter, which was found, sealed, on his bureau after his death, and was given to her. I shall insert it in fragments; as it appears, from several circumstances, to have been written in that manner.

“It is all over, Charlotte: I am resolved to die! I make this declaration deliberately and coolly, without any romantic passion, on this morning of the day when I am to see you for the last time. At the moment you read these lines, O best of women, the cold grave will hold the inanimate remains of that restless and unhappy being who, in the last moments of his existence, knew no pleasure so great as that of conversing with you! I have passed a dreadful night or rather, let me say, a propitious one; for it has given me resolution, it has fixed my purpose. I am resolved to die. When I tore myself from you yesterday, my senses were in tumult and disorder; my heart was oppressed, hope and pleasure had fled from me for ever, and a petrifying cold had seized my wretched being. I could scarcely reach my room. I threw myself on my knees; and Heaven, for the last time, granted me the consolation of shedding tears. A thousand ideas, a thousand schemes, arose within my soul; till at length one last, fixed, final thought took possession of my heart. It was to die. I lay down to rest; and in the morning, in the quiet hour of awakening, the same determination was upon me. To die! It is not despair: it is conviction that I have filled up the measure of my sufferings, that I have reached my appointed term, and must sacrifice myself for thee. Yes, Charlotte, why should I not avow it? One of us three must die: it shall be Werther. O beloved Charlotte! this heart, excited by rage and fury, has often conceived the horrid idea of murdering your husband — you — myself! The lot is cast at length. And in the bright, quiet evenings of summer, when you sometimes wander toward the mountains, let your thoughts then turn to me: recollect how often you have watched me coming to meet you from the valley; then bend your eyes upon the churchyard which contains my grave, and, by the light of the setting sun, mark how the evening breeze waves the tall grass which grows above my tomb. I was calm when I began this letter, but the recollection of these scenes makes me weep like a child.”

[...]He walked pensively in the garden, and seemed anxious to renew all the ideas that were most painful to him.

[...]

He returned home about five o’clock, ordered his servant to keep up his fire, desired him to pack his books and linen at the bottom of the trunk, and to place his coats at the top. He then appears to have made the following addition to the letter addressed to Charlotte:

“You do not expect me. You think I will obey you, and not visit you again till Christmas Eve. O Charlotte, today or never! On Christmas Eve you will hold this paper in your hand; you will tremble, and moisten it with your tears. I will — I must! Oh, how happy I feel to be determined!”

In the meantime, Charlotte was in a pitiable state of mind. After her last conversation with Werther, she found how painful to herself it would be to decline his visits, and knew how severely he would suffer from their separation.

[...]
[he visits, despite being told not to visit until Christmas Eve with everyone else; he reads some translated poetry while in tears, kisses her; they're both in a whirl or emotion; she says never do that again ; he leaves]

He retired to bed, and slept to a late hour. The next morning his servant, upon being called to bring his coffee, found him writing. He was adding, to Charlotte, what we here annex.

“For the last, last time I open these eyes. Alas! they will behold the sun no more. It is covered by a thick, impenetrable cloud. Yes, Nature! put on mourning: your child, your friend, your lover, draws near his end! This thought, Charlotte, is without parallel; and yet it seems like a mysterious dream when I repeat — this is my last day! The last! Charlotte, no word can adequately express this thought. The last! To-day I stand erect in all my strength to-morrow, cold and stark, I shall lie extended upon the ground. To die! what is death? We do but dream in our discourse upon it. I have seen many human beings die; but, so straitened is our feeble nature, we have no clear conception of the beginning or the end of our existence. At this moment I am my own — or rather I am thine, thine, my adored! and the next we are parted, severed — perhaps for ever! No, Charlotte, no! How can I, how can you, be annihilated? We exist. What is annihilation? A mere word, an unmeaning sound that fixes no impression on the mind. Dead, Charlotte! laid in the cold earth, in the dark and narrow grave! I had a friend once who was everything to me in early youth. She died. I followed her hearse; I stood by her grave when the coffin was lowered; and when I heard the creaking of the cords as they were loosened and drawn up, when the first shovelful of earth was thrown in, and the coffin returned a hollow sound, which grew fainter and fainter till all was completely covered over, I threw myself on the ground; my heart was smitten, grieved, shattered, rent — but I neither knew what had happened, nor what was to happen to me. Death! the grave! I understand not the words. — Forgive, oh, forgive me! Yesterday — ah, that day should have been the last of my life! Thou angel! for the first time in my existence, I felt rapture glow within my inmost soul. She loves, she loves me! Still burns upon my lips the sacred fire they received from thine. New torrents of delight overwhelm my soul. Forgive me, oh, forgive!

“I knew that I was dear to you; I saw it in your first entrancing look, knew it by the first pressure of your hand; but when I was absent from you, when I saw Albert at your side, my doubts and fears returned.

“Do you remember the flowers you sent me, when, at that crowded assembly, you could neither speak nor extend your hand to me? Half the night I was on my knees before those flowers, and I regarded them as the pledges of your love; but those impressions grew fainter, and were at length effaced.

“Everything passes away; but a whole eternity could not extinguish the living flame which was yesterday kindled by your lips, and which now burns within me. She loves me! These arms have encircled her waist, these lips have trembled upon hers. She is mine! Yes, Charlotte, you are mine for ever!

“And what do they mean by saying Albert is your husband? He may be so for this world; and in this world it is a sin to love you, to wish to tear you from his embrace. Yes, it is a crime; and I suffer the punishment, but I have enjoyed the full delight of my sin. I have inhaled a balm that has revived my soul. From this hour you are mine; yes, Charlotte, you are mine!
I go before you. I go to my Father and to your Father. I will pour out my sorrows before him, and he will give me comfort till you arrive. Then will I fly to meet you. I will claim you, and remain your eternal embrace, in the presence of the Almighty.

“I do not dream, I do not rave. Drawing nearer to the grave my perceptions become clearer. We shall exist; we shall see each other again; we shall behold your mother; I shall behold her, and expose to her my inmost heart. Your mother — your image!”

About eleven o’clock Werther asked his servant if Albert had returned. He answered, “Yes;” for he had seen him pass on horseback: upon which Werther sent him the following note, unsealed:

“Be so good as to lend me your pistols for a journey. Adieu.”

Charlotte had slept little during the past night. All her apprehensions were realised in a way that she could neither foresee nor avoid. Her blood was boiling in her veins, and a thousand painful sensations rent her pure heart. Was it the ardour of Werther’s passionate embraces that she felt within her bosom? Was it anger at his daring? Was it the sad comparison of her present condition with former days of innocence, tranquillity, and self-confidence? [...]

But we must not forget one remarkable circumstance. We may observe from the character of Werther’s correspondence, that he had never affected to conceal his anxious desire to quit this world. He had often discussed the subject with Albert; and, between the latter and Charlotte, it had not unfrequently formed a topic of conversation. Albert was so opposed to the very idea of such an action, that, with a degree of irritation unusual in him, he had more than once given Werther to understand that he doubted the seriousness of his threats, and not only turned them into ridicule, but caused Charlotte to share his feelings of incredulity. Her heart was thus tranquillised when she felt disposed to view the melancholy subject in a serious point of view, though she never communicated to her husband the apprehensions she sometimes experienced.

[...]

The arrival of Werther’s servant occasioned her the greatest embarrassment. He gave Albert a note, which the latter coldly handed to his wife, saying, at the same time, “Give him the pistols. I wish him a pleasant journey,” he added, turning to the servant. These words fell upon Charlotte like a thunderstroke: she rose from her seat half-fainting, and unconscious of what she did. She walked mechanically toward the wall, took down the pistols with a trembling hand, slowly wiped the dust from them, and would have delayed longer, had not Albert hastened her movements by an impatient look. She then delivered the fatal weapons to the servant, without being able to utter a word. [...]

When the servant brought the pistols to Werther, the latter received them with transports of delight upon hearing that Charlotte had given them to him with her own hand. He ate some bread, drank some wine, sent his servant to dinner, and then sat down to write as follows:

They have been in your hands you wiped the dust from them. I kiss them a thousand times — you have touched them. Yes, Heaven favours my design, and you, Charlotte, provide me with the fatal instruments. It was my desire to receive my death from your hands, and my wish is gratified. I have made inquiries of my servant. You trembled when you gave him the pistols, but you bade me no adieu. Wretched, wretched that I am — not one farewell! How could you shut your heart against me in that hour which makes you mine for ever? Charlotte, ages cannot efface the impression — I feel you cannot hate the man who so passionately loves you!”

After dinner he called his servant, desired him to finish the packing up, destroyed many papers, and then went out to pay some trifling debts. He soon returned home, then went out again, notwithstanding the rain, walked for some time in the count’s garden, and afterward proceeded farther into the country. Toward evening he came back once more, and resumed his writing.

[...]

“Past eleven o’clock! [...]But what object is there, Charlotte, which fails to summon up your image before me? Do you not surround me on all sides? and have I not, like a child, treasured up every trifle which you have consecrated by your touch?

“Your profile, which was so dear to me, I return to you; and I pray you to preserve it. Thousands of kisses have I imprinted upon it, and a thousand times has it gladdened my heart on departing from and returning to my home.

“I have implored your father to protect my remains. At the corner of the churchyard, looking toward the fields, there are two lime-trees — there I wish to lie. Your father can, and doubtless will, do this much for his friend. Implore it of him. But perhaps pious Christians will not choose that their bodies chould be buried near the corpse of a poor, unhappy wretch like me. Then let me be laid in some remote valley, or near the highway, where the priest and Levite may bless themselves as they pass by my tomb, whilst the Samaritan will shed a tear for my fate.

“See, Charlotte, I do not shudder to take the cold and fatal cup, from which I shall drink the draught of death. Your hand presents it to me, and I do not tremble. All, all is now concluded: the wishes and the hopes of my existence are fulfilled. With cold, unflinching hand I knock at the brazen portals of Death. Oh, that I had enjoyed the bliss of dying for you! how gladly would I have sacrificed myself for you; Charlotte! And could I but restore peace and joy to your bosom, with what resolution, with what joy, would I not meet my fate! But it is the lot of only a chosen few to shed their blood for their friends, and by their death to augment, a thousand times, the happiness of those by whom they are beloved.

I wish, Charlotte, to be buried in the dress I wear at present: it has been rendered sacred by your touch. I have begged this favour of your father. My spirit soars above my sepulchre. I do not wish my pockets to be searched. The knot of pink ribbon which you wore on your bosom the first time I saw you, [...]How warmly have I been attached to you, Charlotte! Since the first hour I saw you, how impossible have I found it to leave you. This ribbon must be buried with me: it was a present from you on my birthday. How confused it all appears! Little did I then think that I should journey this road. But peace! I pray you, peace!

“They are loaded — the clock strikes twelve. I say amen. Charlotte, Charlotte! farewell, farewell!”

A neighbour saw the flash, and heard the report of the pistol; but, as everything remained quiet, he thought no more of it.

In the morning, at six o’clock, the servant went into Werther’s room with a candle. He found his master stretched upon the floor, weltering in his blood, and the pistols at his side. He called, he took him in his arms, but received no answer. Life was not yet quite extinct. The servant ran for a surgeon, and then went to fetch Albert. Charlotte heard the ringing of the bell: a cold shudder seized her. She wakened her husband, and they both rose. The servant, bathed in tears faltered forth the dreadful news. Charlotte fell senseless at Albert’s feet.

When the surgeon came to the unfortunate Werther, he was still lying on the floor; and his pulse beat, but his limbs were cold. The bullet, entering the forehead, over the right eye, had penetrated the skull. A vein was opened in his right arm: the blood came, and he still continued to breathe.

>From the blood which flowed from the chair, it could be inferred that he had committed the rash act sitting at his bureau, and that he afterward fell upon the floor. He was found lying on his back near the window. He was in full-dress costume.

The house, the neighbourhood, and the whole town were immediately in commotion. Albert arrived. They had laid Werther on the bed: his head was bound up, and the paleness of death was upon his face. His limbs were motionless; but he still breathed, at one time strongly, then weaker — his death was momently expected.

He had drunk only one glass of the wine. “Emilia Galotti” lay open upon his bureau.

I shall say nothing of Albert’s distress, or of Charlotte’s grief.

The old steward hastened to the house immediately upon hearing the news: he embraced his dying friend amid a flood of tears. His eldest boys soon followed him on foot. In speechless sorrow they threw themselves on their knees by the bedside, and kissed his hands and face. The eldest, who was his favourite, hung over him till he expired; and even then he was removed by force. At twelve o’clock Werther breathed his last. The presence of the steward, and the precautions he had adopted, prevented a disturbance; and that night, at the hour of eleven, he caused the body to be interred in the place which Werther had selected for himself.

The steward and his sons followed the corpse to the grave. Albert was unable to accompany them. Charlotte’s life was despaired of. The body was carried by labourers. No priest attended.


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So it's advice/ advice-givers/ making an effort that are effectively at fault, not that you drive a thing bigger than you know how to park and repeatedly refuse to learn to do better.
What is there for me to learn? I know how to drive, I'm just bad at it, besides that I had no choice in the vehicle I drive. I'm not hampered by a lack of knowledge, but a lack of ability.

This is absurd, and it encapsulates your world-view and approach. And it is a critical reason you will never succeed in your Love Lust Quest unless and until you do a 180. You think backward, and though you (claim to) blame yourself as a hopeless mess, you really blame the world for things within your control.
I don't see much of anything as being within my control, I can do things technically but nothing I do ever seems to result in a meaningful change to my life, all of the most impactful things that happen to me happen for reasons that have nothing to do with me. I don't feel like I'm an agent in my own life.
Stop being so limp. (This is not a sexual joke.) "I've never been taught." "I just stay at home.""Even if I did something I'd just talk to Discorders about it, nothing face-to-face." Get up, get out, and do something, independently. Own it. You put more energy into dismissing good ideas (and step-by-step instructions) and concocting reasons to flip back and forth between "I'm a doomed loser" and "everyone has forsaken me" (anything to claim abject and interact able misery) than taking action on anything.
There isn't anything I actually want to do though nor is there anything I can do that I believe would bring me closer to my goals, I'm directionless and any attempts at independence have only had negative results for me so I don't want to try when I don't see any good coming of it. I don't see myself as having any action I could take that would meaningfully improve my situation, everything I've tried has been pointless at best or actively detrimental at worst. Every outing is another chance for an accident which would fuck up my insurance rates if it got reported.
Being cold-approached for sex is exceptionally off-putting.
Well yeah, I assumed as much, which is part of the reason I haven't actually tried it yet, but I figure the topic would need to come up at some point and I have no idea how or when to bring it up, especially given that I'm not having extended conversations with anyone.
Also, your paranoia about being arrested for underage girls or false rape is very stupid and indicates a severe lack of conception of proportion or reality vs internet exaggeration.
I know, but I'm extremely risk averse and always prepare for the worst especially with regards to human interaction.
  • Less importantly, "millions" of women were never aware of Chris Chan, and the most notable woman he "got" was his mother - and even then only after she had lost half her marbles, which is exploitation not achievement*. The lesson of Chris and women, aside from that horrific scenario, is that he was a weird and stubborn person who ran into all kinds of trouble due to his stubbornly creepy approaches to finding a boyfriend-free girl.
*Meanwhile he couldn't be bothered with Fiona. She dodged a bullet there.
I doubt your claim of Chris not being known of by millions of women, but putting aside the specifics of the numbers it's undeniable he had far more women knowing of his existence than I ever will and without that he never would have found a girl crazy enough to be into him nor would there be any fame to try to leech off of him.
 
What is there for me to learn? I know how to drive, I'm just bad at it, besides that I had no choice in the vehicle I drive. I'm not hampered by a lack of knowledge, but a lack of ability.
How not to hit fucking stationary cars, obviously. For example, stay off your damn phone; learn to judge the size of a parking spot; park where there is plenty of room. Just little things like that. Ffs.

I don't see much of anything as being within my control, I can do things technically but nothing I do ever seems to result in a meaningful change to my life, all of the most impactful things that happen to me happen for reasons that have nothing to do with me. I don't feel like I'm an agent in my own life.
I encourage you to go back through this entire thread and write down (c&p, whatever) every single suggestion you have received to do things wholly within your control. Then see which of them you have actually done, when, and for how long. In detail.

For example, if someone said (they didn't, iirc; this is an example of the exercise) "get jacked to get women," and you respond with"i tried and it didn't work," then you need to detail out (for yourself) each time you "tried" - the year and month each time you started and stopped, what exactly you did to reach the "jacked" status, what activity and how much you did every single day, what resources you used, how often, how long (both daily and the whole arc of the effort).

If your response would more have been "no one made me exercise as a child or taught me how or the value of it," then you need to detail what was missing from your education or training by others that you have instead sought out independently, then what/ where/ when/ how often/ how long you undertook learning and practicing it yourself.

The point of getting real and quantifying what you claim already to have done and failed at doing is that it removes the emotion (hopelessness, other Werther-y despair, etc.) from the equation. Just hard facts. Dealing with actual facts cuts off your easy escape of waving your hand and stating (and maybe even believing) generalities not based in fact or effort. And doing exactly that (no fact-based hand-wavkng) is your twistedly comforting cop-out. If you can't look at the hard truth rather than the assumed truth or stories you tell yourself, then all of your protests are convenient lies, to others and to yourself.

And if your response would have been, "well, even if I could look like Schwarzenegger in his prime, I can't hold a conversation so I'll still be ignored," then you haven't tried. This is catastrophic thinking*. If you insist push-ups and sit-ups require cash you don't possess then you haven't tried. If you insist you actually can never jack up to Schwarzenegger levels, then you're being deliberately literal and obtuse and haven't tried.

*You display a TON of what are known as cognitive distortions, and you should find some resources that help you learn to recognize and address/ remove them. Common cognitive distortions include
  • Black-and-white (or all-or-nothing) thinking: I never have anything interesting to say.
  • Jumping to conclusions (or mind-reading): The doctor is going to tell me I have cancer.
  • Personalization: Our team lost because of me.
  • Should-ing and must-ing (using language that is self-critical that puts a lot of pressure on you): I should be losing weight.
  • Mental filter (focusing on the negative, such as the one aspect of a health change which you didn't do well): I am terrible at getting enough sleep.
  • Overgeneralization: I'll never find a partner.
  • Magnification and minimization (magnifying the negative, minimizing the positive): It was just one healthy meal.
  • Fortune-telling: My cholesterol is going to be sky-high.
  • Comparison (comparing just one part of your performance or situation to another's, which you don't really know, so that it makes you appear in a negative light): All of my coworkers are happier than me.
  • Catastrophizing (combination of fortune-telling and all-or-nothing thinking; blowing things out of proportion): This spot on my skin is probably skin cancer; I'll be dead soon.
  • Labeling: I'm just not a healthy person.
  • Disqualifying the positive: I answered that well, but it was a lucky guess.
You are not unique in having and reflexively employing these distortions. M9st people do, to varying degrees. You, to a very high degree. There are a ton of resources out there to help with this. Best done with a coach or therapist but not necessary at all. You just need to drop your own fixed assumptions and listen.

There isn't anything I actually want to do though nor is there anything I can do that I believe would bring me closer to my goals, I'm directionless
You're directionless because you choose to be - you want one thing to an unhealthy, obsessive degree, which makes you ridiculous (read Werther; the character is ridiculous), have zero reasonable concept on how to get to it or any healthy place, and you don't have good goals.

and any attempts at independence have only had negative results for me so I don't want to try when I don't see any good coming of it.
See above on doing an honest lookback.

And if you reject independence, guess what you will never/ forever be?
I don't see myself as having any action I could take that would meaningfully improve my situation,
So you admit that you refuse advice or step-by-step instruction? Finally.

everything I've tried has been pointless at best or actively detrimental at worst. Every outing is another chance for an accident which would fuck up my insurance rates if it got reported.
Your errors as described were very clear. And based on those choices, it's clear you're not a goid driver. You need to practice more (where you can't hit anyone), and you need to make common-sense decisions like staying off the phone or squeezing into too-small spaces. It wasn't the other cars' or the spaces' fault you tried to jam into something you don't have the skill to do (or that was physically impossible). If you truly cannot tell if a parking space will fit your truck, then either train yourself only to park in huge ones and away from other people, or sure, ride a bike or something. But none of it is a reasonable trigger for "so I can never go anywhere" or "that's what I get for taking advice and going somewhere/ why didn't people understand that that could happen.". You are being ridiculous.

Well yeah, I assumed as much, which is part of the reason I haven't actually tried it yet, but I figure the topic would need to come up at some point and I have no idea how or when to bring it up, especially given that I'm not having extended conversations with anyone.
The time is not ripe for you to be thinking about or formulating theories on these things, then. Again, your mental focus and energy is being placed on the wrong things. Me sitting around worrying about how I'd be having people constantly trying to scam me if they knew I was a billionaire is a waste of energy if either I am not a billionaire or I am but no one knows it. Same goes.


I doubt your claim of Chris not being known of by millions of women, but putting aside the specifics of the numbers it's undeniable he had far more women knowing of his existence than I ever will and without that he never would have found a girl crazy enough to be into him nor would there be any fame to try to leech off of him.
99.999999999999999 (repeating)% of the world has no clue who he is. He is a niche lolcow. The only time that any reasonably sizeable number of people would even have been exposed to his name is when he was arrested for raping his mother, and none of them remembered it the next day or now. And so Fiona (nothing actually happened between them) and I previously left off what's-her-face the Finnish girl, who does seem to be his girlfriend, God help her.

But even if you're right and millions and millions of girls knew of him, he still has successfully attracted 2 girls total. He also spent significant time under government control and lost everything (AND RAPED HIS MOTHER). So I'm not even sure what your point is. ...Yes, yes, 2 > 0, I know, I know. Get better heroes.
 
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What is there for me to learn? I know how to drive, I'm just bad at it, besides that I had no choice in the vehicle I drive. I'm not hampered by a lack of knowledge, but a lack of ability.
Being "bad" at driving to the nature and degree you are has three possible causes:

1. Lack of experience
2. Bad habits: NOT PAYING ATTENTION. PUT YOUR PHONE DOWN, DON'T SLACK-JAWED STARE AT YOUR RADIO/OTHER CONTROLS, KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROAD RETARD
3. Physical factors: (Much) lower than average hand-eye coordination, spatial awareness, depth perception, etc. Which can also be caused by lack of experience

Just like your social life, your bad driving is almost certainly caused by a combination of these three factors. Which will only change with proper amounts of time devoted to correct efforts
 
It's not helping him. In all honesty, it's too much autism.
Fair point. You'd think from 5 years on this site I'd know that autism, depending on variety, often contains an impenetrable, fixed stubbornness. But I have a non-autistic stubbornness that has a deep rose-colored tint.
 
But that's not even what incels are, we are trying to ACHIEVE societal norms all the while society is preventing us from reaching said goals.
What is so special about you that society, whatever that is, decided, however that happened, to prevent you from reaching your goals? What about the 99.9999% of other people that society didn't decide to prevent from reaching their goals of having relationships, both platonic and romantic?
But if life is miserable and work is suffering then why even live? If we are suffering for reasons that are outside of our control and in the control of others then why should we be the only ones to die?
Some of you are cool, don't go to school tomorrow energy
The ability to get a woman it crucial to the ability to be fulfilled in life and without it we are socially crippled and looked down on everywhere we go, we can't even hide that we're incels because our desperation consumes everything else about us. We are tortured for the crime of being sexually unwanted by women who have nothing forcing them to settle. Women can't relate because even when they are single they aren't cut out of the gene pool because there's always a man willing to fuck them, the same can't be said for an incel who has spent most of his life focused on getting a woman and who has been alienated from his friends and family due to that desperation.
Here's a little tip: no one is looking down on you. No one is torturing you. BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW AND DON'T CARE. You are perpetually stuck in high school, and even there MOST PEOPLE DO NOT CARE IF TOMMY FROM ART CLASS IS A VIRGIN

You're blaming your anti-social behavior on anti-social results. Cart is before the horse again. If you act like an unpleasant weirdo because you've never got pussy and people don't like you after experiencing your unpleasant weird behavior, they don't dislike you because you've never got pussy. You don't have to be an unpleasant weirdo because you've never got pussy. Ever consider that? Learn ways to pleasantly behave, and then behave pleasantly regardless of how you feel inside. Fake it til you make it really works here because changing the way you behave isn't about changing you inside by itself, it's about garnering positive reaction from others. That positive reaction is what changes you inside
It's also worth noting the differences in the types of jobs men and women work, men work in fields with uncomfortable conditions, high work loads, and risks of injury and death, women get easy jobs where they basically just have to look pretty and do easy shit in an airconditioned buiding all the while making as much or more than men risking our lives which means that these sluts have no reason to settle for anything but the men they think they deserve because women aren't desperate for sex because they know they can get it if they just lower their standards.
Women like men who work hard at difficult jobs. Such men are usually in shape even if the job is not physically difficult per se, such men have a determination and force of character that women find attractive. I know you have never had a difficult (physically or otherwise) job you have worked hard the way you complain about them
We're only "creepy" because we're sexually unwanted and can't get a woman. It's nothing to do with our behavior, our behavior is caused by sexual selection. Do you fucking know what it's like to spend most of your life obsessing over a goal that everyone around you seems to have achieved effortlessly yet which you can make no progress in? Do you know what it's like to be abandoned by all of your friends and cast out by your family just because you've had the audacity to beg for help and advice achieving this goal that everyone one of them had succeeded effortlessly? No you haven't.
So long as you put the cart before the horse you will never succeed. Try putting the horse in front to haul your cart for once

Being successful with the opposite sex is not effortless, or even easy, for anyone. You know how many 10/10 Chads and Stacys have had 100% fairy tale relationships filled with nothing but butterflies and endless orgasms? How many have had endless casual sex that satisfied their every emotional need for companionship? Had no fights with their boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife, no self-doubt, no funks, no bad days (or weeks or months or even years), no self-loathing ever? Zero people have had that life. Everyone who is not an incel has had crushes on people who did not reciprocate, has had relationships that were almost nothing but one fight after another, has had relationships that crashed and burned, has had relationships that simply didn't work out, has been down on themselves. They bore down and took care of their business anyway. You don't. If you never will, just kill yourself
 
Fair point. You'd think from 5 years on this site I'd know that autism, depending on variety, often contains an impenetrable, fixed stubbornness. But I have a non-autistic stubbornness that has a deep rose-colored tint.
The longer I stay on here, the more I realize that certain people here are way too autistic to the point that I wonder how they even function daily.
 
The longer I stay on here, the more I realize that certain people here are way too autistic to the point that I wonder how they even function daily.
At this point, I think it's clear that he doesn't. He's hardwired himself in and blinds himself to the world around him because it is less painful in the short term for him than changing his behavior. He can perform basic tasks of self care

@ the Cowcel: get better. If you do end up wanting to end it all, do not take anyone else with you. You will be bullied for being so whiny and pathetic you had to take your self hatred out on others like a total mongoloid. Your IQ is "high", but your social skills and intrapersonal skills especially are at a near 0. A group home with other autistic people would be your best bet, and after a certain point, maybe you should face the fact that you don't deserve a woman. No one deserves a partner for any reason. You are chosen based on mutual interests and build trust and respect. Maybe you just don't have the qualities needed for a relationship, period, and need to stop trying.
 
How not to hit fucking stationary cars, obviously. For example, stay off your damn phone; learn to judge the size of a parking spot; park where there is plenty of room. Just little things like that. Ffs.
The phone incident was almost a decade ago(and it happened because I was trying to figure out how to hang up instead of taking the call, I had just got my first cell phone at the time), I usually try to avoid places with crowded parking lots but in the cases I mentioned the parking lots were pretty full and I wouldn't have even gone out to these places if not for being told to. I try to minimize risks where ever possible
I encourage you to go back through this entire thread and write down (c&p, whatever) every single suggestion you have received to do things wholly within your control. Then see which of them you have actually done, when, and for how long. In detail.
I'll do that, but how am I even meant to know how long spent trying is enough and how do I tell which options are more likely to work out when nothing I've done has given me any indications of success?
The point of getting real and quantifying what you claim already to have done and failed at doing is that it removes the emotion (hopelessness, other Werther-y despair, etc.) from the equation. Just hard facts. Dealing with actual facts cuts off your easy escape of waving your hand and stating (and maybe even believing) generalities not based in fact or effort. And doing exactly that (no fact-based hand-wavkng) is your twistedly comforting cop-out. If you can't look at the hard truth rather than the assumed truth or stories you tell yourself, then all of your protests are convenient lies, to others and to yourself.
My arguments aren't entirely without fact though, nothing I've tried has ever worked for meeting women. I'm not sure how looking back on my past failures is meant to remove the emotions from the equations.
I've reread most of the thread and most of the genuine advice is relating to my mental state and lack of personality both of which I don't really know how to fix, I'm going to therapy but it's such a slow process and has never helped me in the past. I am going to the gym on average three or four times per week and tend to work out for 30 minutes at a time
You are not unique in having and reflexively employing these distortions. M9st people do, to varying degrees. You, to a very high degree. There are a ton of resources out there to help with this. Best done with a coach or therapist but not necessary at all. You just need to drop your own fixed assumptions and listen.
I'll try, but it's hard when reality actually does line up with these alleged distortions, my life since childhood has consisted of almost exclusively negative experiences and a lack of interest. People keep telling me to look back on my life but I can't really remember a time when things were different.
You're directionless because you choose to be - you want one thing to an unhealthy, obsessive degree, which makes you ridiculous (read Werther; the character is ridiculous), have zero reasonable concept on how to get to it or any healthy place, and you don't have good goals.
Sure, but that one thing I want is something most others seem to just luck into without nearly the amount of effort and thought I put into it. I've tried to ask others how I would get to that goal but typically it just results in being told to give up, to do things that I'm already doing or to do something that I just can't whether due to lacking the prerequisites(usually a social life or interests) or just being too nervous to act on the direction I have been given.
See above on doing an honest lookback.

And if you reject independence, guess what you will never/ forever be?
I don't even mind being dependent, I don't think I have the energy or motivation to live an independent life, I hate being left alone, I have no direction, my only goal is something that seems constantly out of reach and I have little motivation to do anything beyond the bare minimum.

I've done an honest look back and all of my attempts at independence lead nowhere and even then I was usually only going out because I was told to by someone else.
The time is not ripe for you to be thinking about or formulating theories on these things, then. Again, your mental focus and energy is being placed on the wrong things.
Well then what should I be thinking about? I'm clueless when it comes to interacting with women and the typical flow of interaction.
My advice is that you should get disability because you're too autistic to function.
Already on it, it's a horrible way to live though, the pay isn't enough to be able to survive on if not for having family letting me rent a room for below market rates and the savings limit means that I can't build up a safety net for myself and there's a constant need to find a way to stay below the limit
Here's a little tip: no one is looking down on you. No one is torturing you. BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW AND DON'T CARE. You are perpetually stuck in high school, and even there MOST PEOPLE DO NOT CARE IF TOMMY FROM ART CLASS IS A VIRGIN
I'm being constantly tortured mentally by the inability to get the one thing I'm stuck obsessing over, and people do know I'm a virgin because my desperation for a woman is evident in every part of my world view and outlook on life.
You're blaming your anti-social behavior on anti-social results. Cart is before the horse again. If you act like an unpleasant weirdo because you've never got pussy and people don't like you after experiencing your unpleasant weird behavior, they don't dislike you because you've never got pussy. You don't have to be an unpleasant weirdo because you've never got pussy. Ever consider that? Learn ways to pleasantly behave, and then behave pleasantly regardless of how you feel inside. Fake it til you make it really works here because changing the way you behave isn't about changing you inside by itself, it's about garnering positive reaction from others. That positive reaction is what changes you inside
I already try that but it's never got me anywhere with regards to women or having a social life. Just being pleasant isn't enough to be likable when I have no personality besides just trying to be tolerated. Besides that I still struggle to find situations that could lead to any sort of relationship developing, my social interactions are rare and always very brief and I don't know how to change that.
Being successful with the opposite sex is not effortless, or even easy, for anyone. You know how many 10/10 Chads and Stacys have had 100% fairy tale relationships filled with nothing but butterflies and endless orgasms? How many have had endless casual sex that satisfied their every emotional need for companionship? Had no fights with their boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife, no self-doubt, no funks, no bad days (or weeks or months or even years), no self-loathing ever? Zero people have had that life. Everyone who is not an incel has had crushes on people who did not reciprocate, has had relationships that were almost nothing but one fight after another, has had relationships that crashed and burned, has had relationships that simply didn't work out, has been down on themselves. They bore down and took care of their business anyway. You don't. If you never will, just kill yourself
You know what all of those scenarios have in common? The presence of a relationship which is successful compared to my total lack of relationship experience. I would gladly take a shitty relationship over none at all because at least that would be a new experience.
 
Imagine living in a society that is 50% fuckin whores and OF hoes and 50% incels? What you gonna do? How you wanna fix it? By working on yourself? Insisting on having sex? Who created that kind of society?
Anyway the tension is unbearable. Fuckin love it.
 
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