The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

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God of Nothing dijo:
They just thought they were robot servants. By the time they fully became sentient, it was too late. They had a bunch of cruel, retarded children that helped them on that path too.

i liked the femdom aliens
they were awful, in a weirdly entertaining way
oh no, my soft hands have gained me the attention of a forward female who enjoys ravaging men
the horror~
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Nah, they knew the Kaylon were sentient the second they got given a remote control torture device. I get that they tried to excuse it with the 'Good PR campaign' line. But that episode just made me think the Kaylon were justified in wiping out their dickhead creators.
 
Johan Schmidt dijo:
Nah, they knew the Kaylon were sentient the second they got given a remote control torture device. I get that they tried to excuse it with the 'Good PR campaign' line. But that episode just made me think the Kaylon were justified in wiping out their dickhead creators.
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Oh right. Well, slavery has existed for most human history and still does till this day. Bound to have been similar species. The Kaylon's creators were assholes in that regard.
 
God of Nothing dijo:
Oh right. Well, slavery has existed for most human history and still does till this day. Bound to have been similar species. The Kaylon's creators were assholes in that regard.
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Oh yeah definitely. But I just wish they saved the Kaylon full backstory for a proper episode and done something interesting with it. As it was, it just felt kind of weird to have it sandwiched between two - kind of more interesting - stories. The femdom aliens comparison to the Moclans was spot on. It feels very much like what we see in the show isn't so much the equivalent of the Treks galaxy; but rather something far more fractured and wild west. Like a slightly later ENT galaxy. Which I like.

The Union isn't this sunshine and roses place, it's having to contend with other galactic powers that are just outright incompatible. Not because they are dumb, or evil, or misguided. But because they have fundamental difference in mindset to the Union that cannot be resolved easily.
 
Johan Schmidt dijo:
Oh yeah definitely. But I just wish they saved the Kaylon full backstory for a proper episode and done something interesting with it. As it was, it just felt kind of weird to have it sandwiched between two - kind of more interesting - stories. The femdom aliens comparison to the Moclans was spot on. It feels very much like what we see in the show isn't so much the equivalent of the Treks galaxy; but rather something far more fractured and wild west. Like a slightly later ENT galaxy. Which I like.

The Union isn't this sunshine and roses place, it's having to contend with other galactic powers that are just outright incompatible. Not because they are dumb, or evil, or misguided. But because they have fundamental difference in mindset to the Union that cannot be resolved easily.
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Same.

The folly of having cosmopolitan ideals: they only work if the people you're trying to make ground with share them.
 
Johan Schmidt dijo:
I kinda liked seeing the Kaylon backstory. But it did feel kind of absurd, that the Kaylons creators just became 'evil' overnight. There was no movement to try and emancipate the clearly sentient beings? No creators, taking Kaylon off world and freeing them? I feel like, if they wanted to show a proper Kaylon backstory they really need to dedicate an entire episode to it; rather than stick it in between an 'Isaac is just an autistic man in a silver pyjama suit'; and a 'Aren't these femdom aliens really weird.' segment.
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it was a pretty weak episode. the Kaylon backstory was super basic and stupid, the stakes Isaac losing his memories didnt felt important at all, why should i care about it after anything that happened with issace over the last 2 seasons?

the Femdom aliens were also super stupid. you just cant base anything interesting on feminist "history" and the conclusion that they will keep talks with the union because Ed is a cuck is even more stupid.
Star trek did it much better in DS9, the aliens saw their males as impulsive hedonists that shouldnt make big decisions, which is not just more interesting, its also waaay more realistic. i mean just look at all the youngish men who just dont wanna work anymore.
 
The newest episode was just a whole lot of nothing.

I didn't care for the "totally not the Geth" backstory for the Kaylon, I didn't care for the matriarchal society (I found it funny, but nothing beyond that), Timmis's existence completely undermines Isaac's development as character, I give less than zero fucks about genius negro engineer (who still can't fucking act to save his life) and Keyali's forced and out of nowhere romance that ended just as quickly as it began, and nothing was really accomplished for the entire episode other than Isaac being a simp for a middle aged women for 5 mins then reverting back to his far superior character.
 
I nearly stopped watching this show after last week's episode with the time travel. Not because the writing quality dropped - it was actually a very interesting episode that engaged me. But because I find it very hard to like Ed and Kelly after seeing what they did. Seth likes rolling in current topics of debate. But I suspect this isn't meant to be an abortion metaphor though. It very much is, however. You have Ed and Kelly wanting to kill two children because they're afraid of how the future might turn out. They don't know. They can't even make a reasonable guess and admit so. But they are willing to kill two kids. Meanwhile Ed.'s own kid with the Krill lady, he's happy to leave in a discreet home alive and well despite a very credible argument that exposing the child (not even harming her physically) could prevent a war. His decision in that episode is the right one, btw. But massively hypocritical with his killing of someone else's two kids. I've no sympathy for the other crew member who knowingly went along with Ed and Kelly's action's either. And tangent, if anyone wants to quibble about erasing someone from the timeline counting as killing or not - from both audience point of view and Ed and Kelly's timeline, those children existed and threw the actions of Ed and Kelly, now no longer exist. They denied them the rest of their lives. Meets all the moral criteria for murder in my book.

So without having much taste to carry on I did try it mainly out of not having anything else to watch. I started skipping fowards which is not a habit I'm in. The plot with the matriarchs is bad and frankly Kelly should be written up for unilaterally deciding to abandon the plan handed down to her. The Kaylon backstory was adequately done. I worked out that it was an origin flashback early on. But I found Burke's little speech to Isaac near the end about understanding his people's terrible behaviour because they used to be slaves rather weird and perhaps on the nose? Is Seth intending this to be some commentary on African American history of slavery? If so that's... an interesting perspective. It sounds like he's trying to ask for understanding of violence in African American communities and hostility to White people because of the past. Twisted idea and also a twisted analogy as African American's didn't revolt and gain their freedom but were saved by other White people fighting (and often dying) to liberate them. I don't know that Seth was trying to draw a parallel with African Americans but he's an American and you can't really mention slavery in America without it immediately leading to their national obsession. So I feel he was. Weird viewpoint and not one I share.

As to Isaac's emotions... Clare gets added to the list of characters I find much less likeable this season. She was asking Isaac to undergo a fundamental alteration to who he is for her own gain. She can wrap it up in pretending it's an opportunity for him but that's not her motivation. He had already explicitly made his decision and underwent the surgery solely for her benefit. You know how I would have written it? (If forced to write a 'robot gets emotions' episode). I would have had a similar set up scene with their date and finangle it so his emotions activate in that scene rather than already done when he enters. And then we could see her expected date go horribly, horribly wrong as Isaac's grief and guilt over his participating in genocide start to overwhelm him. It would culminate in him trying to end his own life and Clare or the surgeon trying to deactivate the emotion implant as Isaac resists, trying to reach a blaster to shoot himself (or similar). V. dark. But much more interesting and believable to me than the little happy dance number. How many people are dead because of Isaac? And she thinks that when granted feelings the first he has are going to be about her? How narcissistic.
 
I know there’s the eternal joke about ‘red eyes =bad, blue eyes - good” but I really can’t get over how much of a difference the eyes on the helmet make. Even just the eyes being off and how much it makes the kaylon look dead.
 
Slow with catching up on the current episodes, but on "Twice in a Lifetime";

The whole thing at the start with Gordon saying "Why'd you send it back? You could've had two sandwiches", along with the ambiguity around his family's fate, and the constant explanations that "Time travel is fluid, nobody knows how it works" - it all makes me think that Gordon's still in 2025 with his family.

Either way though, Ed and Kelly come off as heartless monsters in this one - though I just about follow their reasoning.

All in all, solid episode. I've been enjoying the writing this season - it doesn't tell me what to walk away thinking, and allows me to wonder about other choices that could've been made.
 
New episode went up unusually early this week.
 
Kermit falls into place. MacFarlane has enacted his secret plan to transform the holodeck into Sesame Street.
 
Not a bad episode. Better than I expected going into it.

I wasn't expecting them to fuck Topa up like that. Let alone that they'd man up and kick the Moclans out of the Union. Way bigger ramifications coming down the road, for sure.
 
Movie length episode, really enjoyed it.
The whole Mocclan plot has been drawing some interesting parallels with some of the West's strategic relationships in the Middle East, and I love that the Union was able to finally put principles before practicalities, in a way that we never would in the present reality. The hesitation to do this expressed over the past few seasons really helped emphasise what an impact this will have on the Union, so when they said enough is enough it almost gave me chills. I think shows like the Orville and TNG are at their best when they show a future society and system superior to our own. The Union had its Khashoggi moment, but it stood firm and didn't cuck.

fkn lol at Malloy being an accidental groomer
 
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