The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

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Klyden being redeemed is a bigger surprise than The Moclans being chucked out of the Union. Also that Dolly Parton bit was just weird. I really appreciate Ed calling the female Moclan (can't remember her name) out on her bullshit. Absolutely a great TNG episode.
 
Toppa's story continuing so soon was a surprise, but a welcome one since I consider it one of the stronger ongoing stories. Also happy to see the female Moclan sanctuary return as well.

The Dolly Parton guest spot was cool, and made sense because Ed is an aficionado of 21st century culture so he'd know exactly how to convince the Moclan woman to do the right thing. I also just like Dolly Parton. Enjoyed Ed ripping her a new one as well; just like the last Toppa episode it's nice to see characters rightfully get shit when they screw up with good intentions.

Them actually showing Toppa getting tortured was raw and surprising. Bortus proved himself an absolute badass compared to Klyden being a cuck to Issac in the last Toppa episode. It would have been nice to at least see Klyden try to fight Issac even if he was in the wrong. And while I'd have liked to see Klyden have a longer redemption story arc, we probably only have a few episodes of the series left so it'd probably just be left hanging if they tried to take it slower.

Finally, it's nice to see the Union have the balls to stand up to Moclan and it sets up the Union in a very precarious position going forward, with heavily armed enemies on all sides. Really hope we get to see a 4 way fight with The Orville having to come face to face with a Moclan, Krill, and Kaylon ship all at once. I like the intensity of battlefield politics in sci fi shows.
 
Stab You in the Back dijo:
Finally got caught up with the new episodes.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Klyden did nothing wrong.

Poor guy is trying to raise his kid right and this fucking bitch keeps trying to indoctrinate him into getting a sex change. Its fucking sick. Then they all do an illegal surgery on the kid and why Klyden tries to stop it, he gets assault by the robot. This shit is almost as bad as when Kelly and Ed erased Gordon's two kids from existence.

The Union are villains this season.
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100% with you. For all its faults one of the most impressive things about the federation in star trek is their staunch resistance to cultural imperialism. Even in the shitty first seasons picard had a personal crisis and he was prepared to let wesley die to avoid breaking his morals.

The only reason mercer didn't want to commit the operation was because he was afraid of the reprecautions, no personal morals, no prime directive. He has no trouble admiting humans are superior and the only obscatle he met wasn't his personal belief system, but bureaucracy.

And even if we remove the surrounding context of the union, cultural imperialism and the kaylon war, klyden was still right because reversing the operation will turn topa into a social pariah, permenantly banish her from the Moclan homeworld and pretty much ensure that she will never find a moclan mate to start a family with.

The retards in the uninon fucked this kid's entire future because they thought the two of them knew better than an entire planet and the totality of its history and civilization.
 
I gotta disagree with everyone on Twice in a Lifetime, I think the whole point of that episode is that how Trek treats time travel is wrong. To be fair, I don't think they really sold the consequences of it correctly, but they are making a decision that can have untold effects on the lives of billions. We know it'll work out cause it's a TV show, but in actuality, that's the right call to make. It could be better, but it also could be worse to an incalculable degree.

I actually think it's kind of a let down, they sold the pain of making the decision Ed and Kelly did. I think that's why so many people are having a negative reaction to them about it. However, they kinda put the responsibility of understanding the magnitude of the decision on the viewer, who as a TV watcher is going to assume their decision isn't going to radically change the dynamics of the universe after they return to the present. They either needed to show the consequences, or they really need to push how dangerous a choice it is and the magnitude of it. Instead they play lip service to it, but instead really focus on the importance on following the rules of time travel, than the reason for such rules.
 
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I gotta disagree with everyone on Twice in a Lifetime, I think the whole point of that episode is that how Trek treats time travel is wrong. To be fair, I don't think they really sold the consequences of it correctly, but they are making a decision that can have untold effects on the lives of billions. We know it'll work out cause it's a TV show, but in actuality, that's the right call to make. It could be better, but it also could be worse to an incalculable degree.

I actually think it's kind of a let down, they sold the pain of making the decision Ed and Kelly did. I think that's why so many people are having a negative reaction to them about it. However, they kinda put the responsibility of understanding the magnitude of the decision on the viewer, who as a TV watcher is going to assume their decision isn't going to radically change the dynamics of the universe after they return to the present. They either needed to show the consequences, or they really need to push how dangerous a choice it is and the magnitude of it. Instead they play lip service to it, but instead really focus on the importance on following the rules of time travel, than the reason for such rules.
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The problem isn't that they had to do it it's that they could have avoided that entire situation in the first place and didn't have to inform Gordon that they are about to completely erase the current hem and his entire family from existence. That was unnecessarily cruel and heartless.
 
Just finished waching "Midnight Blue", and I really think that the writing is really fucked in a bad way.

There's an active terrorist cell kidnapping deformed children to stop them from getting cosmetic surgery, actively turning them into sterile social pariahs in the process that will never be able to visit their homeworld, see their parents ever again or have children of their own.

Moclus was well within their right to smite it from orbit the first time they discovered it but didn't, and now that terrorist cell is kidnapping children again in secret violatinig the peace agreement, and somehow we're supposed to side against Moclus on this one???

I think seth forgot that Moclans aren't supposed to be human and don't have human biology. The officers acting like plucky rebels shitting on the union and is allies because they think they know better is already bad enough but the fact that they did in the middle of a war compromising an alliance holding back the Determined Exterminators makes them short sighted and downright fucking retarded too considering that if "the good guys always win at the end" wasn't in effect they may as well have doomed the entire fucking galaxy for the sake of their own petty moral crusade.

Mercer and kelly being so hung ho that their personal cultural moral code on a species with completely different biology is right and going as far as to sabotage the entire fucking alliance for their own personal moral satisfaction genuinely ruins the characters for me. Its goes against everything starfleet captains are supposed to be.
 
So, yeah, quite the episode this week.

Is it wrong that I felt more shocked and saddened by the death of Admiral Sam Malone than Charly? And that was despite the typical Brannon Braga trope of having the villains blandly declare how villainous they are and killing him in a visual effects shot, instead of us actually seeing his death on-screen.

As for Charly, while she did get less annoying as the season went on, and her death did make sense from a thematic standpoint, she ended up basically just a glorified recurring character. If there's a Season 4, I won't miss her in the slightest.

Though I do have to applaud MacFarlane's cojones in revealing her to be a lesbian (or possibly bi, since she did seem to have some flirting going on with Malloy at times) and then having her at the epicenter of a planet-destroying explosion three episodes later. That tends to be the sort of thing that seriously pisses off the woke, in my experience.
 
People at disney should be hung in the streets if they let another shitty star wars series happen while they cancel this.

the last episode was great. the plot was great, the fight was great and it wasnt woke.
 
Going to have to disagree with the sentiment here, I didn’t like the episode. It was a rushed, ham fisted attempt to close the Kaylon plot.

The Kaylon should’ve seen with their super fast artificial intelligence, the best way forward is to play the two alliances off each other. Refusing to help the Union, and sabotaging the Krill/Moclan research would make sure they survive, and their enemies are at each other’s throats. Let the biologicals kill each other since you hate them so much.

And Seth obviously ran out of money to pay his newest FWB, after spraying it all over the 10 year old movie quality CGI.
 
Some people are so stuck in their politics and determined to see woke agenda that they refuse to see 'forcing gender transition is bad, discriminating against heterosexuality is bad' despite it being directly on screen, and instead side with 'gays should have more rights than straights' and 'forcing gender reassignment surgery on your children even when it causes extreme psychological distress is good because better dead than cis'. Yes, the Moclan plots are a basic inversion with such an obvious allegory that a child could see it, but you're so deep-set in your knee-jerk reactions of 'liberal agenda BAD, WOKE WRONG' you're unironically siding with the very ideas you're trying to oppose. It just makes you seem weirdly contrarian and as if you have no real opinions of your own.

I mean the people who are like "MOCLANS DID NOTHING WRONG.", obviously. Agreeing that you shouldn't force children to transition over their parent's mental issues is not agreeing to the literal opposite even if the subtext is trying to imply that.
 
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Just finished waching "Midnight Blue", and I really think that the writing is really fucked in a bad way.

There's an active terrorist cell kidnapping deformed children to stop them from getting cosmetic surgery, actively turning them into sterile social pariahs in the process that will never be able to visit their homeworld, see their parents ever again or have children of their own.

Moclus was well within their right to smite it from orbit the first time they discovered it but didn't, and now that terrorist cell is kidnapping children again in secret violatinig the peace agreement, and somehow we're supposed to side against Moclus on this one???
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I think the episode was fine. Kidnapping the child of an active member and torturing them is beyond the pale for any society. The episode would have been better if the moclan sanctuary also suffered consequences. They should have forced the moclan woman leader to resign if they wanted the protection of the union.

The "shipping" of Kelly and Bortas was the stupidest part of the episode. The Dolly Parton bit was great.
 
Allanon dijo:
Some people are so stuck in their politics and determined to see woke agenda that they refuse to see 'forcing gender transition is bad, discriminating against heterosexuality is bad' despite it being directly on screen, and instead side with 'gays should have more rights than straights' and 'forcing gender reassignment surgery on your children even when it causes extreme psychological distress is good because better dead than cis'. Yes, the Moclan plots are a basic inversion with such an obvious allegory that a child could see it, but you're so deep-set in your knee-jerk reactions of 'liberal agenda BAD, WOKE WRONG' you're unironically siding with the very ideas you're trying to oppose. It just makes you seem weirdly contrarian and as if you have no real opinions of your own.

I mean the people who are like "MOCLANS DID NOTHING WRONG.", obviously. Agreeing that you shouldn't force children to transition over their parent's mental issues is not agreeing to the literal opposite even if the subtext is trying to imply that.
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I have an alternative hypothesis: You're a retard with no imagination blinded by contemporary politics.

I watch TV shows for escapism, not politics. I don't judge the plots of the series based on what contemporary politics I personally agree or don't agree with, I take the scenario at face value as presented and judge it within the universe its in because its a fun and intresting thought experiment to wonder how the culture of species with different history and biology would work.

50 years from now when trannism has the same status as lobotomy people watching the moclan episodes are still going to find them intresting because its also statement on conformity and collectivism vs individuality and the responsibility one has to society as well as the expectations society has of its citizens.

The scenario of rare female children born in a hyper industrialized all male society is an intresting one. I side with the moclans not out of contemporary politics but because given the in universe context what they do makes sense.

you're unironically siding with the very ideas you're trying to oppose.
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What ideas would that be?

The female child one throws enough bones around that both sides can see either choice as either being for or against them. Which again, I don't care because I'm not judging that scenario based on contemporary politics, I'm judging it based on the universe its in.

As for moclans persecuting heterosexuals, the message is pretty clear although hamfisted, like you said its a basic inversion, if we take it for the message its trying to send its "dont prosecute sexual minorities" i.e. "gays good", which I'm 99% sure most of the people supporting the moclans oppose, so what is even your point there?


khaine dijo:
I think the episode was fine. Kidnapping the child of an active member and torturing them is beyond the pale for any society. The episode would have been better if the moclan sanctuary also suffered consequences. They should have forced the moclan woman leader to resign if they wanted the protection of the union.

The "shipping" of Kelly and Bortas was the stupidest part of the episode. The Dolly Parton bit was great.
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You don't think mercer and kelly compromising the alliance in the middle of a war with terminator planet for the sake of imposing their own morals on a completely culture is an issue on of itself? Yeah we know the good guys win, but they don't. For all they know they're the reason the galaxy gets wiped.
 
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You don't think mercer and kelly compromising the alliance in the middle of a war with terminator planet for the sake of imposing their own morals on a completely culture is an issue on of itself? Yeah we know the good guys win, but they don't. For all they know they're the reason the galaxy gets wiped.
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Oh, I agree their actions in the previous Topa episode were wrong. It was foolhardy, and arrogant to risk the alliance based on their own moral judgement. I was only talking able the episode Midnight Blue in isolation.
 
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Oh, I agree their actions in the previous Topa episode were wrong. It was foolhardy, and arrogant to risk the alliance based on their own moral judgement. I was only talking able the episode Midnight Blue in isolation.
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It also seems unrealistic to me that the union is willing to throw such a massively critically important member (in the middle of a war no less) over 1 tortured child, while sparing the child trafficing ring as an independant state.

I'm not contesting that torturing children is good, but the middle east beheads people in public as an everyday occurence and the western world still keeps them as an ally.
 
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It also seems unrealistic to me that the union is willing to throw such a massively critically important member (in the middle of a war no less) over 1 tortured child, while sparing the child trafficing ring as an independant state.

I'm not contesting that torturing children is good, but the middle east beheads people in public as an everyday occurence and the western world still keeps them as an ally.
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I mean we sided with the communists in WW2 because they were the least worst choice, so yeah it wasn't super realistic, but it made for an impactful story.

I just caught up on the last episode, and it was great but it felt really rushed. Like that is something that could have been a season's worth of episodes. The Krill and the Mochlans becoming an alliance, the Kaylon attacking and pushing further and further into Union space, forcing the development of the doomsday weapon, the attack on kaylon, theft of the weapon and then the joining of forces to save the Kaylon.

Still, I hope they get many more seasons, as this is far better then the official Star Trek.
 
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khaine dijo:
I mean we sided with the communists in WW2 because they were the least worst choice, so yeah it wasn't super realistic, but it made for an impactful story.

I just caught up on the last episode, and it was great but it felt really rushed. Like that is something that could have been a season's worth of episodes. The Krill and the Mochlans becoming an alliance, the Kaylon attacking and pushing further and further into Unison space, forcing the development of the doomsday weapon, the attack on daylong, theft of the weapon and then the joining of forces to save the Kaylon.

Still, I hope they get many more seasons, as this is far better then the official Star Trek.
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The last season as a whole felt rushed which is a shame. The whole thing is still miles and leaagues better than actual star trek but season 3 is a huge dud imo, ending the entirety of the kaylon arc in what is essentially a single episode is a ludicrous waste and it seems like the writers don't have faith to spread it over multiple seasons.

In my head I most closely associated orville with ds9, but after the kaylon war ended so soon I don't know what to think or how the series will move going forward. Are all big threats/developments going to be resolved in the span of 2 episodes? No overarching arcs?

That said I'm happy the magic lesbian is gone but kelly has started to really get on my nerves.
 
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