The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

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I found the whole about-face with the Kaylon now that the resident misogynist race and the evangelicals teamed up pretty funny.

TBH I think it's weird Seth already wrote his flame out of the show. Burke was never a great character, but it felt a little rushed to have her die already.
 
She might've not want to commit long term, and might just wanted the orville to put herself in the spotlight to get roles elsewhere.

As much as we like Sci-Fi, actors almost always want more "serious" roles. Few of them want themselves to be known as the ensign or the guy with rubber forehead as the highlight of their careers. It's actually common for them to jump ship as soon as they can.

It's also possible Seth was told this was going to be the last season when this was being filmed. They might have renewed it an changed their minds since then.

But it would also explain why Seth was in such a rush to finish the Kaylon plot, and also kill her.
 
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I never cared for Burke as a character either.
I was more sad when Alara left than when the magic lesbian died. They seriously overplayed their hand with her.

She was arrogant, obnoxious, had a targic backstory, that did nothing but defy orders and talk shit, her only personality trait was "racist against the only good kaylon in history" had a super duper unique magic (but also undefined) superpower that no other human in history had that let her save the day multiple times and she was also a lesbian in a "slam dunk" reveal, as if that wasn't obvious enough from the first scene.

She played more like a self insert than a real chararcter.

And her failure of a character is compounded by the fact that ds9 did the same thing but much better two decades earlier.

She's pretty similar to Sisko in that both have the same tragic backstory (lost their spouse to the malevolent collectivist robot faction) and both have some sort of undefined unique magic superpower that no other human has that is core to the plot (Her 5D or whatever vision and Sisko's whole prophet thing), but the difference is she's an obnoxious selfish unprofessional bitch and the story flaunts her superpower in our faces every other episode, while sisko was a humble selfless profesional and the story was clever enough to keep magic bullshit to the wayside unless it was absolutely nessesary.

Sisko used the prophets like once or twice in the span of 8 seasons/years and even then they weren't a solution, just a temporary help.

The lesbian used her superpower like what? 6 fucking times in one season consisting of 8 episodes?

And every single time the story had to twist itself into a pretsel to make her superpower seem useful.
 
If nothing else, at least Seth was considerate enough to make it very easy for SJWs who are currently screeching about the Bury Your Gays trope to resurrect Burke in their fanfics. We never saw the bodies of her or her would-be girlfriend, and it was established a few episodes ago that the time-travel device they picked up in the pilot episode was damaged, but not irreparably so.

Expect a lot of fanfics where the Orville crew uses the device to rescue Burke and Amanda in the millisecond before they got incinerated, allowing them to finally profess their undying love for each other. And then have a threesome with Alara.
 
She might've not want to commit long term, and might just wanted the orville to put herself in the spotlight to get roles elsewhere.

As much as we like Sci-Fi, actors almost always want more "serious" roles. Few of them want themselves to be known as the ensign or the guy with rubber forehead as the highlight of their careers. It's actually common for them to jump ship as soon as they can.

It's also possible Seth was told this was going to be the last season when this was being filmed. They might have renewed it an changed their minds since then.

But it would also explain why Seth was in such a rush to finish the Kaylon plot, and also kill her.
Sci-fi shows are a weird one, because they either fizzle out and all the actors get shitcanned inside a week. Or they last for fifteen seasons, have three spins offs and the actors are set for life. I can see why they'd wanna jump ship.
 
There's an active terrorist cell kidnapping deformed children to stop them from getting cosmetic surgery, actively turning them into sterile social pariahs in the process that will never be able to visit their homeworld, see their parents ever again or have children of their own.

Moclus was well within their right to smite it from orbit the first time they discovered it but didn't, and now that terrorist cell is kidnapping children again in secret violatinig the peace agreement, and somehow we're supposed to side against Moclus on this one???
It was shown in the S2 episode when they discovered the female Mocclan sanctuary that parents were bringing their daughters to the sanctuary to avoid the Mocclan government forcibly transitioning them. It's not like they're stealing babies in the night. The Union was stupid to burn their relationship with Moclas, and were lucky to get bailed out in the next episode, but after having the child of a Union officer tortured the Union wouldn't have much choice.

As for S3 E9: The weapon kind of came out of nowhere, but I did get my battlefield politics shake up. Didn't see the Kaylon straight up joining the Union, which feels a bit rushed but that's been this whole season. Finally, Burke's sacrifice was done alright. Didn't hate her character, just felt rushed since we didn't get much time to get to know her. The last few episodes of this season feel completely rushed because we haven't had any low stakes episodes that were just the anomaly/mission of the week or a simulator episode. I've seen other shows that assumed they're cancelled wrap up two seasons into one to finish things off, so I'm guessing that's what is happening.

If we are lucky enough to get a Season 4 or comic though, it's not like the galaxy's at peace. The Krill/Mocclan alliance was held together by the Kaylon threat, which is mostly neutralized. You have the horror space beyond Krill they baited us with earlier in the season. Not every Union planet is going to roll out the red carpet for the Kaylon. There's still places you could go and just getting back to exploration episodes would be plenty for a 4th season. Despite it being my favorite, DS9 also had a lack of good exploration episodes later on.
 
I was more sad when Alara left than when the magic lesbian died. They seriously overplayed their hand with her.

She was arrogant, obnoxious, had a targic backstory, that did nothing but defy orders and talk shit, her only personality trait was "racist against the only good kaylon in history" had a super duper unique magic (but also undefined) superpower that no other human in history had that let her save the day multiple times and she was also a lesbian in a "slam dunk" reveal, as if that wasn't obvious enough from the first scene.

She played more like a self insert than a real chararcter.

And her failure of a character is compounded by the fact that ds9 did the same thing but much better two decades earlier.

She's pretty similar to Sisko in that both have the same tragic backstory (lost their spouse to the malevolent collectivist robot faction) and both have some sort of undefined unique magic superpower that no other human has that is core to the plot (Her 5D or whatever vision and Sisko's whole prophet thing), but the difference is she's an obnoxious selfish unprofessional bitch and the story flaunts her superpower in our faces every other episode, while sisko was a humble selfless profesional and the story was clever enough to keep magic bullshit to the wayside unless it was absolutely nessesary.

Sisko used the prophets like once or twice in the span of 8 seasons/years and even then they weren't a solution, just a temporary help.

The lesbian used her superpower like what? 6 fucking times in one season consisting of 8 episodes?

And every single time the story had to twist itself into a pretsel to make her superpower seem useful.
Her actress probably wanted it and Seth, beguiled by blond pussy, complied. She was given too much, yeah. If Seth knew this was the final season, I could also see him not giving a shit.
 
It was shown in the S2 episode when they discovered the female Mocclan sanctuary that parents were bringing their daughters to the sanctuary to avoid the Mocclan government forcibly transitioning them. It's not like they're stealing babies in the night. The Union was stupid to burn their relationship with Moclas, and were lucky to get bailed out in the next episode, but after having the child of a Union officer tortured the Union wouldn't have much choice.

The idea that that a massively strategic partner that serves as the primary weapons manufacturer (In the middle of a genocidal war no less) would be discarded because 1 child got tortured in an attempt to find a radical terrorist cell is laughable.

Middle east does way worse and the western world is still allied with them and the soviet union was also allied with the US during world war 2, and the scale of those two is way smaller than a literal intergalactic alliance with trillions of lives at stake.

You can conceivably make a plot line where the Moclans break from the union from mutual tension and it would be intressting to, but you cannot do it in the span of a single episode with such flimsy justification. The whole season was rushed and the plot suffers for it. It needed at least twice as many episodes to flesh out the magic weapon, the krill elections, the moclan breakoff and alliance with the krill and the kaylon pacification.
 
if next week is the series finale, disappointed they probably won't revisit the whole malloy in the past thing.

there's gotta be some resentment here from malloy after they told him what they did.
 
if next week is the series finale, disappointed they probably won't revisit the whole malloy in the past thing.

there's gotta be some resentment here from malloy after they told him what they did.
The Malloy they tell that to didn't live that life. He doesn't feel for a daughter he never had, and he moved on from hologram-Laura.
 
The Malloy they tell that to didn't live that life. He doesn't feel for a daughter he never had, and he moved on from hologram-Laura.

but knowing about it has to be in the back of his mind.

he's always been the third wheel

so knowing he actually had achieved a life/wife/family in another timeline could be eating at him.

if we get a S4, i could definitely see it as a callback, if Malloy was put in another situation where he'd have to lose something he valued...I could see him brining up to mercer as a fuck you
 
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