Leaving Neverland - heehee

[cuddle striker]

I'm still really curious how he was found innocent- I mean we had multiple accusers, years of first hand accusations, etc, and yet he was innocent at trial.

what was presented there, or not presented there, that would have made a difference?

I remember having a lot of confusion about how he was acquitted, and then his career dying despite that court win, and then after he died the big resurgence in younger fans.

I'm the right age to have been really into "thriller" when it was first released. the target audience of slightly older kids/preteens. his career was always strange.

I do blame Joe Jackson for unleashing all this horror on the world.

edited to add: "thriller" and "ghosts" hold up in context as amazing songs about being a monster.

 

[The Cunting Death]

I just finished it.

You know, he probably did do it, but again, I don't care anymore.

His life is way too fucking complicated and he's beyond fucked in the head.

My real hatred is more towards his father.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'm still really curious how he was found innocent- I mean we had multiple accusers, years of first hand accusations, etc, and yet he was innocent at trial.

what was presented there, or not presented there, that would have made a difference?

One of the interesting parts of the documentary is Wade Robeson detailing how he was convinced to testify on MJ's behalf at the trial. Jackson personally called lots of his previous victims and convinced them to get up on the stand and talk about how they spent many nights in MJ's bed and nothing bad ever happened. Wade talks about how he felt it was his duty to protect MJ and save him from jail. MJ trained the kids from their earliest encounters to keep secrets and told them if anyone ever found out then their lives would both be ruined. MJ cried a lot, he made the kids think they needed to protect him and that he loved them deeply. Wade talked about how MJ had him meet his kids before the trial and how the kids would suffer if their dad was jailed.

Anyway the trial reduced it to “he said, they said” and painted the child’s family as money hungry trash (the mothers shoplifting arrest was used to paint her as dishonest and terrible person). Jurors later said that the testimony of Wade and Culkin were a big reason they found him not guilty. Having several boys, who were now older, claim they spent tons of time with MJ and he never did one inappropriate thing with them and only one boy claiming he molested them gave them reasonable doubt.

It's pretty tragic because Wade knows him lying on the stand to defend MJ is the reason he got off.

 

[Travoltron]

I'm still really curious how he was found innocent- I mean we had multiple accusers, years of first hand accusations, etc, and yet he was innocent at trial.

what was presented there, or not presented there, that would have made a difference?

These California juries are particularly stupid. They show a brief excerpt from an interview with the jury in the documentary and this old lady juror said she sided with Michael because she didn't like the way the child's mother snapped her fingers.
I mean, a jury found R. Kelly not guilty even though there was video tape evidence explicitly showing him having sex with kids. People get starstruck and lose their senses, I guess.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

These California juries are particularly stupid. They show a brief excerpt from an interview with the jury in the documentary and this old lady juror said she sided with Michael because she didn't like the way the child's mother snapped her fingers.
I mean, a jury found R. Kelly not guilty even though there was video tape evidence explicitly showing him having sex with kids. People get starstruck and lose their senses, I guess.

See also: OJ simpson, with DNA evidence, still getting off.

I mean, many people outright said it, even if he did it he didn't do it. Letting a black dude get away with murder was revenge for all the white people that got off after murdering black people.

I don't doubt there was some component of "Protect our celebrity" involved.

 

[bearycool]

If someone can get the neverland videos into their google drive and link them to me, I'll be sure that we have them as movies for this week.

 

[Travoltron]

See also: OJ simpson, with DNA evidence, still getting off.

I mean, many people outright said it, even if he did it he didn't do it. Letting a black dude get away with murder was revenge for all the white people that got off after murdering black people.

I didn't want to get into that racial element, but yes. There are certain racist segments of the black community that simply will not convict another black. So all a defense attorney has to do is stack a jury with enough of those types. Johnnie Cochran defended O.J. Simpson this way and he also defended Michael Jackson.

If someone can get the neverland videos into their google drive and link them to me, I'll be sure that we have them as movies for this week.

It's on the torrents, that's how I watched it. The Oprah interview is too.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I didn't want to get into that racial element, but yes. There are certain racist segments of the black community that simply will not convict another black. So all a defense attorney has to do is stack a jury with enough of those types. Johnnie Cochran defended O.J. Simpson this way and he also defended Michael Jackson.


It's on the torrents, that's how I watched it. The Oprah interview is too.

I mean, to be fair, it's not strictly a black thing. You also get cases where some juror on a case about a cop doing something wrong outright says "Yes the evidence sure seems like he did it but I would never convict a police officer" or something like that.

I think you should face actual jail time for that, personally. I mean you can't do another trial because double jeopardy, but now justice is fucked forever.

 

[bearycool]

I didn't want to get into that racial element, but yes. There are certain racist segments of the black community that simply will not convict another black. So all a defense attorney has to do is stack a jury with enough of those types. Johnnie Cochran defended O.J. Simpson this way and he also defended Michael Jackson.


It's on the torrents, that's how I watched it. The Oprah interview is too.

Torrents and weird movie sites do not work on cytube sadly: you will need them to either be on youtube, vimeo, dailymotion or google drive. Seeing as this is HBO, it is best to have it on google drive.

If I get the time, I'll be sure to upload if others cannot.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I think you should face actual jail time for that, personally. I mean you can't do another trial because double jeopardy, but now justice is fucked forever.

You do technically face jail time for it because most, if not all, jurors swear under oath that they will weigh the facts of the case without prejudice. If its caught before a verdict is rendered (say by another juror passing a note to the bailiff), then the judge is free to replace the prejudiced juror or declare a mistrial.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I just finished it.

You know, he probably did do it, but again, I don't care anymore.

His life is way too fucking complicated and he's beyond fucked in the head.

My real hatred is more towards his father.

Joe Jackson is without a doubt fucking satan. More on that:

Spoiler

We know he severely physically and emotionally abused his entire family. Joe sexually abused at least two of his daughters. I don't think Joe would have sexually abused his sons only because female were his preference and there were enough vurnerable females around to keep him busy.

I wouldn’t doubt, however, that MJ was sexually abused by his older brothers. Jermaine in particular is a greasy shitbag and the brothers were forced to live in very close quarters for many years before they got famous. I mean it was two adults and NINE kids in a small two bedroom home for a decade ffs. MJ being sexually abused by one or more older brother is very likely in my mind. Good things do not happen to kids forced to sleep with several dumb, horny, abused teenage boys. They would have subjected him to all kinds of awful shit, esp after they all got very jealous when he became the "star" of their group. Joe used to go make the Jackson 5 perform as opening acts at really seedy Chicago strip clubs in the early days. MJ would have been exposed to all kinds of terrible people and exploitative situations with old Joe in charge.

All that said, it doesn't excuse what MJ did to all his victims. It might help people understand better why MJ did what he did but it in no way absolves him of raping dozens of kids. MJ was an evil predator and child rapist, full stop. Most sexually abused kids do not grow up to be predators themselves.

I think what I found the most disturbing, aside from how expertly he groomed and manipulated his victims as their families, was that the innocence of his victims seemed to be the biggest allure for him. Sadly, we know there are plenty of places in the world that if you want to fuck kids you can get kids to fuck. With all of Michael's money he could have had a child fucking pleasure palace in Thailand or Bahrain or some African shithole with poor parents lining up to rent or sell some of their extra kids to the superstar with no worries about legal repercussions. But MJ didn't do that, he didn't become a pederast sex tourist with all that money. What he was most attracted to was cute, little boys from middle-class homes - their innocence seemed to attract him above all.

It's almost as if MJ coveted their childhoods. The childhoods of his victims were the type of normal childhood MJ idealized and dreamed of having himself. But how evil is it to then spend your time destroying the lovely childhoods of those little boys and robbing them of their innocence? It's like corrupting and destroying their childhoods was enjoyable for him. He didn't get one and he made sure they didn't either.

 

[cuddle striker]

I mean, to be fair, it's not strictly a black thing. You also get cases where some juror on a case about a cop doing something wrong outright says "Yes the evidence sure seems like he did it but I would never convict a police officer" or something like that.

I think you should face actual jail time for that, personally. I mean you can't do another trial because double jeopardy, but now justice is fucked forever.

jury nullification is a thing, though. a real, legal, permitted thing.

 

[The Cunting Death]

It really leaves you shell shocked and aghast.



Please do watch this documentary. A ton of people, music critics, etc.. all expressed the same sentiments and then changed their mind after watching this documentary. (I only find that odd because Michael Jackson has equaled bizarre face melted child rapist with no nose in my mind for many years. )

I will admit, it did change my opinion from "he probably didn't do it" to "he probably did do it"

MJ is a complicated motherfucker, and I have a feeling we're going to be talking about this for decades to come.

 

[Travoltron]

With all of Michael's money he could have had a child fucking pleasure palace in Thailand or Bahrain or some African shithole with poor parents lining up to rent or sell some of their extra kids to the superstar with no worries about legal repercussions. But MJ didn't do that

I'm not convinced he didn't do that, too. This guy traveled all over the world. I bet he had a boy in every port. But we'll never know about those sorts of kids. They have no voice, and possibly wouldn't even be alive anymore.
I'm sure MJ could get his rocks off with those foreign boys, but they weren't what he really desired. He couldn't find the intimacy he wanted with those brown boys that didn't even speak English.

The thing that pisses me off is that there must be dozens, perhaps hundreds of his staff, family, and other assorted minions that knew about his pedo proclivities and aided, abetted, and covered it all up and are still covering for him.

 

[cuddle striker]

I will admit, it did change my opinion from "he probably didn't do it" to "he probably did do it"

MJ is a complicated motherfucker, and I have a feeling we're going to be talking about this for decades to come.

see I don't even know, because I've seen documentaries that are so convincing until you read the case files.

 

[Nobunaga]

I'm not convinced he didn't do that, too. This guy traveled all over the world. I bet he had a boy in every port. But we'll never know about those sorts of kids. They have no voice, and possibly wouldn't even be alive anymore.
I'm sure MJ could get his rocks off with those foreign boys, but they weren't what he really desired. He couldn't find the intimacy he wanted with those brown boys that didn't even speak English.

The thing that pisses me off is that there must be dozens, perhaps hundreds of his staff, family, and other assorted minions that knew about his pedo proclivities and aided, abetted, and covered it all up and are still covering for him.

Didnt michael used to throw shade at the big pedos at hollywood?

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

see I don't even know, because I've seen documentaries that are so convincing until you read the case files.

There’s a difference between the criminal system investigating one victim or criminal incident. It’s another when there’s twenty years of systematic evidence of grooming and child abuse. It’s like judging Susan Schofield on one ER visit, instead of looking at the previous 100 ER visits.

Micheal wasn’t hanging out with little boys 24/7 because his heart was pure and childlike. The only grown ass men who want to spend their night in bed with random little boys are pedophiles. Show me one example of a grown man who regularly shares a bed with (non-family related) little boys that wasn’t abusing them. MJ wasn’t the exception to this rule.

The evidence dossier the cops put together after the raid on Neverland spells out all the shit they confiscated from his bedroom. Anyone can look at that list and say Mike wasn’t interested in children sexually is re.tarded

 

[OttoWest]

Didnt michael used to throw shade at the big pedos at hollywood?

Like who? Thing is there weren’t a lot of “outed” sex offenders in Hollywood in the 80s and 90s, not in the way we can list them today. As someone mentioned upthread, just wasn’t the way child sex abuse was widely portrayed at the time though that was rapidly changing— look at early 80s TV movies like Something About Amelia and Fallen Angel.

Jackson had a grudge against Spielberg, even though he used their friendship as a cover for when he got flack for his antisemetic song “They Don’t Care About Us” which was directed as the (((Chandler))) family.

I know there is conspiracy kiddie shit swirling around SS thanks to online gossip sites and Crispin Glover ( ) but Jackson’s beef was due to getting kicked out of Hook which was originally supposed to be a vehicle for Jackson. He hated Spielberg after that.

 

[MrTroll]

I know there is conspiracy kiddie shit swirling around SS thanks to online gossip sites and Crispin Glover ( ) but Jackson’s beef was due to getting kicked out of Hook which was originally supposed to be a vehicle for Jackson. He hated Spielberg after that.

He should have been grateful for getting kicked out of the worst movie Spielberg ever made.

 

[Travoltron]

Jackson’s beef was due to getting kicked out of Hook which was originally supposed to be a vehicle for Jackson. He hated Spielberg after that.

Yup. MJ blew $150,000 on a witch doctor to put a death curse on Spielberg for that. He was also enraged that Ahmed Best was chosen to play Jar Jar Binks instead of him.