Leaving Neverland - heehee

[Nobunaga]

Fake and gay
Besides, its current year people, who cares about boys getting diddled

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

So I just finished watching part one and wew that was an ordeal to get through. The subtle manipulation and grooming, with how gradually it happened, it just kind of hits you with how far along the manipulation and abuse had actually come and it's nauseating. Absolutely horrendous.

Well time to suffer through part 2 I guess.

It really leaves you shell shocked and aghast.

I don't even care if he is guilty or not anymore. He still made fantastic music and I separate the art from the artist.

Please do watch this documentary. A ton of people, music critics, etc.. all expressed the same sentiments and then changed their mind after watching this documentary. (I only find that odd because Michael Jackson has equaled bizarre face melted child rapist with no nose in my mind for many years. )

There's a ton of fantastic music out there by non-child rapists I'd rather listen too. Give me Prince any day of the week. But I never thought MJ was an incredible artistic genius either, just a big famous pop star. MJ's "image" was entirely tied to his music, all part of the packaging of a pop star rather than an artist. MJ was packaged and sold just like the commodity he was, just ask Pepsi. The fact he insisted being called "The King of Pop" still makes me cringe.

Off the Wall and Thriller were good albums, after that it's pretty schlocky crap. It certainly not an artistic repertoire worthy of defending over raping kids imo. He's certainly not Rembrandt, Gauguin, Mozart, Rachmaninoff, etc... he was just a big 1980's pop star with a four octave range that could dance well... and then turned into a total freak show. But his estate sure has done a good job of packing him as some mythical genius.

From what I've seen so far, Safechuck seems genuine to me. That audio he had of him and Michael is creepy by itself.


To be fair, sexual abuse victims can be unemotional even when discussing trauma. Sometimes even casual about it. They don't all cry at the subject and can be monotone.

Most abuse victims learn to compartmentalize their emotions, particularly ones about their abuse, in order to survive. Men in particular tend to be very detached when speaking about abuse they suffered, if they aren't detached they are angry.

Safechuck was the hardest interview for me to watch, he just seemed so haunted and broken. He looked like he had not slept in a year during the Oprah interview.

 

[The Cunting Death]

It really leaves you shell shocked and aghast.



Please do watch this documentary. A ton of people, music critics, etc.. all expressed the same sentiments and then changed their mind after watching this documentary. (I only find that odd because Michael Jackson has equaled bizarre face melted child rapist with no nose in my mind for many years. )

There's a ton of fantastic music out there by non-child rapists I'd rather listen too. Give me Prince any day of the week. But I never thought MJ was an incredible artistic genius either, just a big famous pop star. MJ's "image" was entirely tied to his music, all part of the packaging of a pop star rather than an artist. MJ was packaged and sold just like the commodity he was, just ask Pepsi. The fact he insisted being called "The King of Pop" still makes me cringe.

Off the Wall and Thriller were good albums, after that it's pretty schlocky crap. It certainly not an artistic repertoire worthy of defending over raping kids imo. He's certainly not Rembrandt, Gauguin, Mozart, Rachmaninoff, etc... he was just a big 1980's pop star with a four octave range that could dance well... and then turned into a total freak show. But his estate sure has done a good job of packing him as some mythical genius.



Most abuse victims learn to compartmentalize their emotions, particularly ones about their abuse, in order to survive. Men in particular tend to be very detached when speaking about abuse they suffered, if they aren't detached they are angry.

Safechuck was the hardest interview for me to watch, he just seemed so haunted and broken. He looked like he had not slept in a year during the Oprah interview.

I'm still watching the doc anyway, I have nothing else to do and this could help waste a few hours.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

@MirnaMinkoff I'm at the part where James is talking about his anxiety, depression, antisocial issues in his romantic relationships and that's the final big red flag sign that Michael Jackson abused him. It's very typical behavior of a person who was sexually abused. Including the part about him self medicating.
This guy's legit. He wasn't lying.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'm still watching the doc anyway, I have nothing else to do and this could help waste a few hours.

Cool. I'm honestly curious to hear what you think of it and if it does effect your pov.

One of the thing I think bothers me is that MJ always pretended to be far more than a musician or pop star. He seriously sold himself as this great humanitarian and savior of children. It was never just about the music with MJ, he very much marketed himself and his insane sense of self-importance to the world and esp to children.

I mean get a load of this shit ffs.

@MirnaMinkoff I'm at the part where James is talking about his anxiety, depression, antisocial issues in his romantic relationships and that's the final big red flag sign that Michael Jackson abused him. It's very typical behavior of a person who was sexually abused. Including the part about him self medicating.
This guy's legit. He wasn't lying.

Aye. I'm as cynical as they come and I don't know how any one could doubt the stories these two guys are telling, just on their interviews alone. It's not the graphic details about the sexual abuse that get me, it's the grooming and emotional manipulation that makes me sick to my stomach and rings so true. I think the physical stuff would be easier to recover from than the mental curb stomp MJ did on these guys.

But it's not just their interviews. All the faxes, letters, answering machine messages, photos, recordings with MJ just... holy shit.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

That part where Michael threatened the one victim for not defending him in his court case and saying his lawyers would get him for it and saying the guy was "his enemy."
What a fucking asshole.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

That part where Michael threatened the one victim for not defending him in his court case and saying his lawyers would get him for it and saying the guy was "his enemy."
What a fucking asshole.

MJ absolutely played hard ball the minute he detected any disloyalty.

One thing we will never know is how many of his victims will remain silent thanks to the secret settlements, legal threats and coercion. MJ after all was a very rich, very powerful man. Most of his staff have been silenced by air tight ND agreements.

I mean in Safechucks case he held the mortgage to their home, think how much power and leverage that gave MJ over that kid and his parents? MJ has all the power but his emotional manipulation seemed to keep most firmly in line, but he had other means of keeping them silent (or doing his bidding) if that failed.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I just read that they had Ryan White's parents of all people defending Michael Jackson.

Of all people, Howard Stern is the only one I can think of at that time who said Michael was guilty.

His music never seemed particularly interesting or innovative to me. I was a fan of some of his videos, and I recognized that he was instrumental in elevating the look of rock videos. But mostly I considered him to be PATHETIC AND FREAKISH.


So I really wasn't surprised when Robin announced that Michael Jackson had been accused of child molestation and that the L.A. police department was investigating the charges.


Robin then reported that the full name of Michael Jackson's ranch was the Neverland Valley Fairy Tale Ranch.


"Guilty," I announced. If you're so concerned about helping sick kids, donate money to a hospital. Build a freaking hospital, don't build a zoo in your backyard.


I suggested the LAPD set up a sting operation to determine Michael's guilt. They should parade a bunch of nude children around him and see what happens.


It came out the next day that the parents of the allegedly abused kid were wealthy. it was extremely weird for a grown man like Jackson to traipse around the world lavishing attention and presents on prepubescent boys. If any other adult started hanging around a neighborhood and calling a kid up four, five times a day and buying him expensive gifts, the parents would flip out.


Take a woman to the Bahamas. Don't take a ten-year-old boy there.


Then Robin read an article by syndicated columnist Lisa Robinson. She defended Michael because she had known him for years and when her mother was dying he sent her flowers. Lisa said that Michael's so innocent and childlike, his favorite TV show is Sesame Street. SESAME STREET?! That's the Playboy Channel for child molesters.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I just read that they had Ryan White's parents of all people defending Michael Jackson.

Of all people, Howard Stern is the only one I can think of at that time who said Michael was guilty.

Well Ryan White would have been the one boy we can safely assume MJ didn't molest. AIDS at least saved Ryan White from MJ.

Yeah, Howard was no fool. He always called MJ out from very early on. In his second book he details a totally bizarre meeting he had with MJ. I'll just quote an article from 1995 about it because the whole thing is just so absurd and it kind of gives you an idea of what type of protective bubble MJ was living in to even approach Stern with this shit.

hortly after singer Michael Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse, Stern writes that Jackson's manager, Sandy Gallin, made a strange offer: "He wanted me to tell my radio audience Michael was okay, that he wasn't a child molester. He wanted me to urge everyone to come out onto the street, leave their homes, and show support for Michael Jackson by staging massive demonstrations across the country. . . . After days of (this), Michael would come on the radio show unannounced and thank me and my audience for standing by him. . . . "

Even Stern is amazed by this idea, since his skits and monologues about Michael Jackson's baby-sitting for "Mr. and Mrs. Stupid" and doing terrible things to their little boy should have tipped off Gallin that Stern wasn't exactly a Jackson fan. But he agrees to a meeting in the hope of persuading Jackson to appear live on Stern's TV (not radio) show to do a "dangerous" interview with "no question off limits." Of course he admits to lying his head off to Jackson by making it sound as though all they would talk about would be Dr. Deepak Chopra and ayurvedic medicine; and his description of Jackson's white, caked-on makeup starting to melt and a surgical tape unraveling on his nose is genuinely quite funny.

Stern also makes an honest and (to us) convincing plea: He doesn't have an audience of "12-year-olds listening to my show who are going to storm-troop through America" for Michael Jackson. But if he were to interview Jackson live, "it would send out a signal to the cynics in my audience that Michael was brave enough to face an honest and tough inquisitor." Anything less would be "candy cane journalism" the public would see right through.

Gellin turns Stern down and takes Jackson to Diane Sawyer at ABC, whose interview is "supposed to be different because there would be no editing and no question would be off limits. Sound familiar?" But Sawyer asks none of the tough questions Stern would have asked and creates instead "one long infomercial" -- flabby, dishonest and full of "fluff." To Stern, everybody has fallen in line: Sawyer gets her ratings, Gallin gets his puff piece, and Jackson is "thrilled that he's off the hook."

Stern does admit that one of the biggest reasons he took the meeting was he was dying to see MJ in person to determine if he still had a nose - and Stern determines he does not.

I think lots of people thought MJ was guilty and creepy but as far as people in the media they also feared a star as powerful and wealthy as MJ. Much like the Church of Scientology (and remember MJ married Lisa Marie Pressley a COS member) the looming legal threats from saying anything about Michael being a pedo kept lots of people quiet.

His family's go to line now is "he was never convicted!!" so how dare you infer a man who kept small boys in his bed for twenty years could be a pedo! It's always been amazing to me that anyone didn't think MJ was a pederast, I mean he paraded it around and shoved everyone's nose in it in public for twenty years. You got the sense MJ thought the world was wrong and he was right. The mean cold world just didn't understand his true, honest, pure love for the asshole's of innocent young boys.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

That's interesting because Latoya Jackson called him a pedophile in the 1990's and openly said he was raping boys. She of course wanted thousands of dollars for her story, which didn't help her claims.
The Jackson family disowned her for a while until she changed her story.

 

[ColorfulCassowary]

There still seems to be a strong "dindu nuffin" vibe regarding Michael Jackson. H3H3 made a tweet agreeing with the documentary, and people are dogpiling him. They're all like "they searched his house twice and found nothing" or something. I wonder if this thing's on dailymotion. I could check it out.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

There still seems to be a strong "dindu nuffin" vibe regarding Michael Jackson. H3H3 made a tweet agreeing with the documentary, and people are dogpiling him. They're all like "they searched his house twice and found nothing" or something. I wonder if this thing's on dailymotion. I could check it out.

While there are definitely crazy MJ pedo defense super friends there is also a very targeted campaign waged by his estate to defend his reputation online and has been for many years. They run god knows how many blogs refuting the pedo stuff. In the wake of this doco they have turned up their SM brigades to full blast.

I’d really be curious for people more tech savvy than me to take a look at the stats of the accounts swarming every comment about MJ. While I’m sure there are some legit crazy pants fans, most of the comments are repeating the same basic talking points over and over and seem to exist on SM solely to defend MJ.

I bet the estate is spending millions on this shit.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Somebody posted the entire Howard Stern and Michael Jackson story here.

Michael Jackson & Howard Stern

From Howard Stern' Book " Miss America" 1995And now the story I refused to talk about on the air: my meeting with Michael Jackson.Did I remain in silence because I will never betray the confidences ...

www.datalounge.com

 

[ColorfulCassowary]

Btw, is there any way I can find this without coming across some fucking stupid FreePunjabiMoviesNoVirusesOnline.com shit? I checked Dailymotion, but their search system is faggy as hell.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

@ColorfulCassowary The best I could do is 123Movies but there's still popups with it. I'm watching it with adblock.

Michael Jackson is like Jimmy Savile.

1. Child rapist
2. Creepy ghoul face.
3. Eccentric
4. Used his fame and popularity to get kids.
5. Said he'd help kids get famous.
6. Donated to charities.
7. Had powerful friends.
8. Fake friendly persona.

 

[democon]

@ColorfulCassowary The best I could do is 123Movies but there's still popups with it. I'm watching it with adblock.

Michael Jackson is like Jimmy Savile.

1. Child rapist
2. Creepy ghoul face.
3. Eccentric
4. Used his fame and popularity to get kids.
5. Said he'd help kids get famous.
6. Donated to charities.
7. Had powerful friends.
8. Fake friendly persona.

Could you post a link? Won't come up in results when searched

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Could you post a link? Won't come up in results when searched

Leaving Neverland - Season 1 - 123Movies episode 1 HD

At the height of his stardom Michael Jackson began long-running relationships with two boys, aged 7 and 10, and their families. Now in their 30s, they tell their story and how they came to terms with it years later.

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Leaving Neverland - Season 1 - 123Movies episode 2 HD

At the height of his stardom Michael Jackson began long-running relationships with two boys, aged 7 and 10, and their families. Now in their 30s, they tell their story and how they came to terms with it years later.

w5.all123movies.com

 

[ColorfulCassowary]

Leaving Neverland - Season 1 - 123Movies episode 1 HD

At the height of his stardom Michael Jackson began long-running relationships with two boys, aged 7 and 10, and their families. Now in their 30s, they tell their story and how they came to terms with it years later.

w5.all123movies.com

Leaving Neverland - Season 1 - 123Movies episode 2 HD

At the height of his stardom Michael Jackson began long-running relationships with two boys, aged 7 and 10, and their families. Now in their 30s, they tell their story and how they came to terms with it years later.

w5.all123movies.com

I smell a movie night candidate @bearycool

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

The Movie Nights film should be the Two Coreys Lifetime film. It still counts- Michael Jackson was in it.

 

[tehpope]

Finished watching both parts. Shit, that was heavy.

BRB, gonna go cry in the show. For real.