Has the media and corporations left Men behind? - Are Women in control of the consumer market?

[V0dka]

By the way, I said the 2000s was a more "neutral" time but thinking again, the 2000s was a very male oriented culture as well, the differences in attitudes about women in the 2000s versus the 2010s is night and day.

Like for example all those Axe Body Spray commercials, remember those? You can't even imagine an advertisement like that today, it may as well be some sexist 1950s ad for as out of lockstep with modern culture as they are and we're only talking the prior decade.

Prime Time Television 1980's

 

[Lemmingwise]

Prime Time Television 1980's

This is from roughly 10 years ago of prime time tv:

 

[Syaoran Li]

Oh yes, males have been completely abandoned by modern culture, almost everything is geared toward a female audience/market and anything that isn't explicitly geared towards females is at best gender neutral (like say The Avengers movies)

Imagine how terrible it must be to be a little boy in today's culture, there is nothing made just for you anymore, you are completely unwanted and unloved by modern society.

Basically the 2010s is just a weird reversal of the 1980s, the 1980s was almost as male dominated a culture as the 2010s is female dominated, I think it's hopefully just a phase and things will even out into more neutral territory likes the 90s and 2000s.

I'm not gonna lie, this post made me realize just how much I miss the late 1990's and the 2000's. Maybe it was because I was a kid in the 90's and 2000's, but things did feel better and in the case of the late 90's, objectively were better if you lived in the United States because of the economic prosperity.

Even the 2000's was a better time up until about 2007-2009 when the Great Recession was in full swing and the seeds of the current culture wars were planted before sprouting in 2011 with Occupy Wall Street.

Yes, 9/11 and the resulting wars were bad but the economy was doing well (aside from a very brief and mild recession in late 2001 and early 2002 following 9/11 and the Dot Com bubble bursting) and pop culture seemed more fun and varied than in the 2010's.

While a lot of bad trends of 2010's pop culture started in the 2000's such as superhero movies, Harry Potter, the decline of mainstream music, and hipster culture emerging at the tail end of the 2000's, it didn't seem as bad because there were still more options and variety.

(Yes, I know the Harry Potter books started to come out in the late 90's, but it didn't become the massive cornerstone of Millennial pop culture until the movies in the early 2000's)

There was plenty of female-oriented and gender-neutral entertainment options but male-oriented entertainment wasn't excluded and derided like it is in the 2010's, particularly in the case of entertainment aimed at boys and young males. You had social and political messages in lots of pop culture works from the 90's and 2000's, but it wasn't shoehorned into everything like it is now.

The internet was a lot more free and less corporate in the 2000's than in the 2010's while still being a hell of a lot more accessible and user-friendly than in the 1990's and while mid-budget games and movies were in decline in the 2000's, they were still there, unlike the 2010's.

2010's cinema seems to be the same mix of capeshit, unwarranted sequels and remakes, tired romantic comedies, and boring pretentious indie films every single fucking year.

Even the oft-derided summer blockbusters were better in the 1990's and 2000's simply because there was more variety to them, as opposed to the capeshit and "woke" updates to pre-existing IP's.

By the way, I said the 2000s was a more "neutral" time but thinking again, the 2000s was a very male oriented culture as well, the differences in attitudes about women in the 2000s versus the 2010s is night and day.

Like for example all those Axe Body Spray commercials, remember those? You can't even imagine an advertisement like that today, it may as well be some sexist 1950s ad for as out of lockstep with modern culture as they are and we're only talking the prior decade.

Again, I miss the 1990's and 2000's so much. But I repeat myself.

The good news is that America is built on the pendulum effect, both culturally and politically. History has proven this time and again.

The woke malaise of the 2010's will end eventually, and we'll probably see more masculine entertainment reemerge as we go further into the 2020's and 2030's.

Right now, the corporations are near-exclusively pursuing the female demographic while ignoring male audiences, if not outright rejecting them.

But the bubble of SJW culture will eventually burst and the major corporations will stop listening to the vocal minority more and more (barring true believers like Google, although if the DOJ investigations fuck them up enough, that may diminish) and start seeing dollar signs in pursuing a long-neglected demographic.

I don't know when exactly that will happen, but it will happen eventually. The darkest hour is always before dawn.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I'm not gonna lie, this post made me realize just how much I miss the late 1990's and the 2000's. Maybe it was because I was a kid in the 90's and 2000's, but things did feel better and in the case of the late 90's, objectively were better if you lived in the United States because of the economic prosperity.

Even the 2000's was a better time up until about 2007-2009 when the Great Recession was in full swing and the seeds of the current culture wars were planted before sprouting in 2011 with Occupy Wall Street.

Yes, 9/11 and the resulting wars were bad but the economy was doing well (aside from a very brief and mild recession in late 2001 and early 2002 following 9/11 and the Dot Com bubble bursting) and pop culture seemed more fun and varied than in the 2010's.

While a lot of bad trends of 2010's pop culture started in the 2000's such as superhero movies, Harry Potter, the decline of mainstream music, and hipster culture emerging at the tail end of the 2000's, it didn't seem as bad because there were still more options and variety.

(Yes, I know the Harry Potter books started to came out in the late 90's, but it didn't become the massive cornerstone of Millennial pop culture until the movies in the early 2000's)

There was plenty of female-oriented and gender-neutral entertainment options but male-oriented entertainment wasn't excluded and derided like it is in the 2010's, particularly in the case of entertainment aimed at boys and young males. You had social and political messages in lots of pop culture works from the 90's and 2000's, but it wasn't shoehorned into everything like it is now.

The internet was a lot more free and less corporate in the 2000's than in the 2010's while still being a hell of a lot more accessible and user-friendly than in the 1990's and while mid-budget games and movies were in decline in the 2000's, they were still there, unlike the 2010's.

2010's cinema seems to be the same mix of capeshit, unwarranted sequels and remakes, tired romantic comedies, and boring pretentious indie films every single fucking year.

Even the oft-derided summer blockbusters were better in the 1990's and 2000's simply because there was more variety to them, as opposed to the capeshit and "woke" updates to pre-existing IP's.



Again, I miss the 1990's and 2000's so much. But I repeat myself.

The good news is that America is built on the pendulum effect, both culturally and politically. History has proven this time and again.

The woke malaise of the 2010's will end eventually, and we'll probably see more masculine entertainment reemerge as we go further into the 2020's and 2030's.

Right now, the corporations are near-exclusively pursuing the female demographic while ignoring male audiences, if not outright rejecting them.

But the bubble of SJW culture will eventually burst and the major corporations will stop listening to the vocal minority more and more (barring true believers like Google, although if the DOJ investigations fuck them up enough, that may diminish) and start seeing dollar signs in pursuing a long-neglected demographic.

I don't know when exactly that will happen, but it will happen eventually. The darkest hour is always before dawn.

I feel the exact same way about the 2000s, the 2000s in hindsight wasn't as bad of a decade as it seemed at the time, some unfortunate things happened, but the 2010s is worse.

I think the key difference is between the 90s and 2000s was that mainstream American culture was very nihilistic, a lot of people just wanted to get drunk, get high, get laid and party till the break of dawn.

And if you weren't into that they couldn't have cared less, you were free to carve out your own path in life and do what you wanted, the party people weren't paying any attention to you.

But human beings are not naturally nihilistic creatures, most people want to have some form of meaning in their lives and after 20 years of nihilism the vacuum in mainstream American culture after it abandoned traditional Christian values gradually became filled by left wing , Marxist, identity politics, hence the SJWs.

The trouble is, the last thing SJWs do is leave everyone else alone, they want everyone to be indoctrinated into their little cult, no longer are you free to carve out your own path in life, you have to live the way SJWs think you should live.

So 90s and 2000s America was more nihilistic, but at least more free, today there's been a return of morality but it's a corrupt, evil morality and it's very, very controlling.

 

[MI 814]

Women would enjoy smoking because it's really more or less a neutral thing. But getting women into games and movies that fear a lot of gore and dark imagery doesn't feel quite so plausible to me.
What I am saying is just because you can get women into one thing, doesn't mean you can get the same result in other mediums.

 

[V0dka]

Women would enjoy smoking because it's really more or less a neutral thing. But getting women into games and movies that fear a lot of gore and dark imagery doesn't feel quite so plausible to me.
What I am saying is just because you can get women into one thing, doesn't mean you can get the same result in other mediums.

Then you just change whats in the medium. If women don't like exploding heads and blood spatters, remove them. If men are mad, fuck em, they aren't spending as much as these new women players. That's what I mean when the market is changing to suit Women, to attract them. Remember Christina Hendricks? Basically the modern day version of Pamela Anderson or Marilyn Monroe? She went off and did Broadway, obscure movies and TV, then voice acting. Fucking voice acting? What does that tell you? If this were the 1940's or 1950's she'd be the number 1 box office draw.

Now, a girl that looks like a 12 year old boy plays Lara Croft in Tomb Raider.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

I've heard the reason for this is ironically sexist. Women do most of the shopping, so it's profitable to advertise to them. Like that Gillette ad.

 

[nonvir_1984]

Male autists are too rare to be an effective marketing vector.

Well, I'm not sure that's fair. There's a shit load of allegedly human males like Bob "MovieBob" Chipman - Obese Fascist Eugenics-Loving Elitist Pop Culture Critic with a Mario & MCU Fetish..
If you go to a big hardware store on a Saturday you'll see them. So, in some respect not they have not.
But in general I agree that the future is vagina.

 

[MI 814]

Then you just change whats in the medium. If women don't like exploding heads and blood spatters, remove them. If men are mad, fuck em, they aren't spending as much as these new women players. That's what I mean when the market is changing to suit Women, to attract them. Remember Christina Hendricks? Basically the modern day version of Pamela Anderson or Marilyn Monroe? She went off and did Broadway, obscure movies and TV, then voice acting. Fucking voice acting? What does that tell you? If this were the 1940's or 1950's she'd be the number 1 box office draw. Now, a girl that looks like a 12 year old boy plays Lara Croft in Tomb Raider.

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Sure though you want to make games exclusively to women?
Because that's basically what you are getting at. I think you aren't thinking necessarily with what's really happening, but with other examples in the past and applying it to wildly different things.
Games like GTA wouldn't be popular with that many women and those games sell billions of copies regardless. Again, SURE you want to throw out men and just make a few millions rather than billions?

 

[V0dka]

Sure though you want to make games exclusively to women?

Maybe not exclusively, probably up to the point where turning off too many Men would be a profit negative. Losing 1 guy player to 1 girl player is a good trade, losing 3 guys per 1 girl is probably a bad trade

 

[NN 401]

https://youtu.be/6rQPDb-PJyI


Do you know what I miss?


The 80s and 90s muscle chicks.

Jeannette Goldstein, Grace Jones, Cynthia Rothrock.
And they weren’t depicted as freaks either but badass chicks who had their own sexiness.

It just seemed like we had a greater diversity of female leads and ancillary characters.

Now it vacillates between skinny waifs thanks to Joss Whedon and body positive types (read: fat).


On topic:


Most of you are missing something very important.

The Kathleen Kennedy’s of the world aren’t trying to cater to women.

They’re catering to themselves.

They’ve realized that to a certain extent marketing and Hollywood can bend the values of the general population.

How else did premarital sex, single motherhood, and rampant consumerism gain such a foothold?

They’re trying to reshape the world into their own image.

An image that reflects not a diversity of values but theirs alone and gives them asspats wherever they go for being the pinnacle of those fucked values.


Most of the high level positions in corporations, government and elsewhere that are so coveted aren’t filled with middle or even upper middle class people.

But rather the children of people who know people, went to the same schools, etc.

They’re essentially circle jerking themselves off and each other with offerings like Fembusters and what not.

If tomorrow they decided, because they have no real soul or core values, that white is right and all that Nazi Jazz is trendy that’s what you’d see all of sudden.

 

[V0dka]

Do you know what I miss?


The 80s and 90s muscle chicks.

Jeannette Goldstein, Grace Jones, Cynthia Rothrock.
And they weren’t depicted as freaks either but badass chicks who had their own sexiness.

It just seemed like we had a greater diversity of female leads and ancillary characters.

Now it vacillates between skinny waifs thanks to Joss Whedon and body positive types (read: fat).

Those types are still around, but only Men would really be interested in them, and Men aren't profitable enough. You'll find them off in some obscure corner of the internet.

 

[Biscuit1984]

Imagine throwing a shitfit over a conference banning strippers and a video game character's tits being small.

Imagine being so short sighted that you cannot see how liberty is eroded by making one small concession at a time.

You are a low test faggot and you should be ashamed of yourself

 

[V0dka]

Imagine being so short sighted that you cannot see how liberty is eroded by making one small concession at a time.

You are a low test faggot and you should be ashamed of yourself

Maybe he's just gay.

I mean can you imagine something like this happening during primetime in America today? With Women instead of Men? No way, they'd be pulled off the air.

 

[Jarolleon]

I don't even give a shit. I'm so autisic that I'd prefer every product in the world be marketed the same way: said product on a table so you can see what it looks like while someone with a voice like Scientist Man spends thirty seconds of voiceover telling you what it's called, what it does, where you can buy it and for how much. The end.

Advertising is obnoxious, and targeted advertising doubly so because it's pandering at best and dishonest at worst. I recognize the need for it in society but 1000% of advertising trends and gimmicks make me want to throw myself off a cliff so screw it, put all copy writers on the same boat and torpedo it to Kindgom Fuck.

So they should all be like those Blue Coal radio ads?

 

[UQ 770]

Imagine being so short sighted that you cannot see how liberty is eroded by making one small concession at a time.

You are a low test faggot and you should be ashamed of yourself

If we've reached a point where kicking a bunch of thots out of a shitty marketing event already pre-designed for stupid people to just consume product and don't ask questions somehow counts as liberty being eroded, then our culture is so unbelieveably far fucking gone that there is zero hope for anything. Seriously, what kind of blasted, corporate wasteland hellscape do you live in where the last bastion of liberty is an advertising gimmick? And a rather effortless one at that?

Those types are still around, but only Men would really be interested in them, and Men aren't profitable enough. You'll find them off in some obscure corner of the internet.

Uh, where did you find these? Asking for a friend.

 

[V0dka]

Uh, where did you find these? Asking for a friend.

I dunno where, I just randomly find stuff and have to figure out who it is.

Julia Vin - Power lifter

Rin Nakai - Japanese Wrestler

Nastascha Enciosa - Fitness Model

 

[Biscuit1984]

If we've reached a point where kicking a bunch of thots out of a shitty marketing event already pre-designed for stupid people to just consume product and don't ask questions somehow counts as liberty being eroded, then our culture is so unbelieveably far fucking gone that there is zero hope for anything. Seriously, what kind of blasted, corporate wasteland hellscape do you live in where the last bastion of liberty is an advertising gimmick? And a rather effortless one at that?

Uh, where did you find these? Asking for a friend.

Great way to completely miss the point

The issue is not women getting their tits out at some conference. The issue is that spastics like the homosexual I responded to continue to make minor concessions everywhere while scolding other people into compromises over little things. Lots of little things that eventually end up with society looking like it does today. This is exactly why conservatives have lost the culture war. One little concession after the other, like a pack of spineless cucks wanting to look like the moderate voice of reason as they claim the moral high ground constantly.

Its completely subversive behavior and as must as I detest the average shitlib, I detest the pearl clutching cucks even more.

 

[UQ 770]

Great way to completely miss the point

The issue is not women getting their tits out at some conference. The issue is that spastics like the homosexual I responded to continue to make minor concessions everywhere while scolding other people into compromises over little things. Lots of little things that eventually end up with society looking like it does today. This is exactly why conservatives have lost the culture war. One little concession after the other, like a pack of spineless cucks wanting to look like the moderate voice of reason as they claim the moral high ground constantly.

Its completely subversive behavior and as must as I detest the average shitlib, I detest the pearl clutching cucks even more.

So you'd rather get cucked by a corporation (you ain't sticking your dick in that thot no matter how hard you try) than get cucked get by a bunch of soyboys?

Oh wait. Same thing.

 

[V0dka]

Great way to completely miss the point

The issue is not women getting their tits out at some conference. The issue is that spastics like the homosexual I responded to continue to make minor concessions everywhere while scolding other people into compromises over little things.

Its completely subversive behavior and as must as I detest the average shitlib, I detest the pearl clutching cucks even more.

Once again I don't think it's woke concessions, it's just a smokescreen for basically saying "We want women in our industry, either as consumers or designers, so we can market to women"

Look at these designers, all these are Men talking about their young daughters. If you read between the lines, all the feminist/woke talk is just, "we need women gamers, they spend the cash." Apparently all these people are talking about their young daughters, never their young sons.

I guess the hormone therapy will fix that.