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There's a bunch of adoptees/foster kids grazing the fields as lolcows here.
Knowing a few personally it's very blackpilling to see, so hesitancy towards adption is perfectly acceptable.

However, insisting on "having one of his own" is always the insecure, moidy excuse from a male perspective.
Tell him how often the sperm used in IVF is not his own, and at least make him worry a little.
The treatment sucks ass on top of being ridiculously expensive, don't let him off the hook if he's the one driving this option.

Edit: on a lighter note, I'd suggest learning the power of Letting Go (re: your issues with jealousy). Without PL, but I know people who had been trying naturally for years, and once they finally Let Go and chill out about the pressure to conceive, it happened.
 
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Any success stories
I'm so sorry, OP. This is so much harder than people realize unless they've been through it themselves.

I almost had to do IVF, but managed to get pregnant naturally after spending 6 months on a very low carb, high protein, no processed foods diet. I wasn't fat or diabetic, but I just had this weird feeling that my mildly shitty standard American diet was hurting me.

Now it's possible the pregnancy timing was a coincidence and not related to ditching carbs. But I feel it made the difference.
 
Modern diet is filled with chemical version of abortion pill.
You need to fix that, cook from scratch and so on. Vitamins, minerals etc for both.
Stress is a major killer of everything and you both need to exercise as well.
 
don’t really feel ashamed for struggling with infertility. If anything, I struggle with jealousy whenever a friend or someone I know gets pregnant (and it is always a case of “oops we weren’t even trying what a happy accident!”).

Shit like this was one of the things I struggled with.
I just got pregnant after 3 years of trying and seeing someone get pregnant without even trying when they're fatter and stupider than you is a special kind of awful feeling.
See: my SIL who has to sleep upright on a recliner to keep her airway open bc eatbeast on baby #3
This is why I never believe the CHEmUCUlZzz people.

People who are drug addicts or live off fast food or drink red Gatorade get pregnant all the time, without even trying. There is no rhyme or reason, sometimes. Live your best life. Take care of yourself and remember there is no blame there.


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As for my situation, I had given up and husband and I were going to probably talk a bout intervention. I chalk up the success to hitting a level of acceptable weight loss and exercising more, but ultimately I had given up on it happening all together.
 
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My wife and I waited kinda late to have kids. We started trying in our early 30's. Couldn't get pregnant naturally despite giving it our best shot for about a year so we went with IUI. She had endometriosis earlier in life and I believe was down half her shit from getting it scraped out. It did take a few attempts but it finally took and we had our daughter. After that it was like her body realized, "Oh, that's it works" and our second and third kid were naturally conceived super easy. Hang in there, it'll happen.
 
If there's one thing I want to stress to any female kiwis in here having trouble with conceiving, know your family history. If you do not know it, then research it to the best of your ability. There is a massive genetic component involved with fertility. Epigenetics is not well understood by the masses and you should really talk to your specialist/provider for a better explanation. This shit is no joke. The diet your grandmother had while your mother was a mere egg in her body can directly be responsible for some of your current health outcomes. I won't PL about my work but I urge anyone not being taken seriously about their concerns to find a different physician ASAP. Things like endometriosis are so poorly understood and anywhere from like 20-50% of women who are infertile have it. This condition impacts roughly 1 in 10 women globally. We don't even fully know what fucking causes it but we do know that epigenetics plays a huge role in it manifesting. The diagnosis for it also is not even fully confirmed unless an exploratory laparoscopic procedure is done to map out any endometrial webbing and to what degree of severity is present. Most gynecologists will throw birth control at you and that's it, but all it does is damper symptoms and suppress the menstrual cycle. It does not actually reduce endometrial webbing that is already established in any significant way, just slows some growth.
 
I wanted to provide an update since so many of you were kind enough to pray for us and think of me and my husband while we were struggling through this.

IUI didn’t work for us, but after a round of IVF we are now expecting our baby.

Here’s what I’ll say for anyone in a similar situation who is agonizing over whether to move forward with IVF:

They (the practice) were much more hands-on with IVF than they were with IUI. I think part of it is that they’re more incentivized to make IVF work. For example, I was prescribed progesterone supplements before the embryo transfer even happened, along with all sorts of other vitamins and supplements. Part of me wonders if we had been given the same pharmaceutical treatment during the IUIs, whether it would have been more successful. But I’m not a doctor, so I don’t know—maybe that’s just the cynic in me.

I will also say this: double, triple, and quadruple-check with your insurance that the clinic you’re going to is truly covered. IVF isn’t covered by some health plans at all, but we were told that our provider was in-network and the procedure would be covered—at least partially—once we met our deductible. HOWEVER, our clinic was billing as some “lab” or something that was considered out-of-network, instead of billing under the physician who actually was in-network.

So you’ll need to have several phone calls with both the clinic and your insurance provider to make sure that whatever creative billing category they’re using is actually covered.

All that being said, I’d do it all again.

If anyone has questions about the process, feel free to ask me.
 
we're currently trying for a baby and I don't know how to get over this gut wrenching shame I feel not being pregnant yet, is it the radiation, chemicals or drugs I've been exposed to at work? WHY CAN EVERYONE ELSE GET PREGNANT BUT ME?? I'm young and doing everything right, never took birth control, healthy BMI, no medication. it's not fair.
 
we're currently trying for a baby and I don't know how to get over this gut wrenching shame I feel not being pregnant yet, is it the radiation, chemicals or drugs I've been exposed to at work? WHY CAN EVERYONE ELSE GET PREGNANT BUT ME?? I'm young and doing everything right, never took birth control, healthy BMI, no medication. it's not fair.
My wife is in the same boat as you. I've technically impregnated her three times but each time her body rejects it. We've come to accept that it's just not in our future. My heart breaks for any woman that is going through what you are and you're right, it's not fair.
 
we're currently trying for a baby and I don't know how to get over this gut wrenching shame I feel not being pregnant yet, is it the radiation, chemicals or drugs I've been exposed to at work? WHY CAN EVERYONE ELSE GET PREGNANT BUT ME?? I'm young and doing everything right, never took birth control, healthy BMI, no medication. it's not fair.
How long have you and your husband been trying? I was in the exact same boat as you and I know how you’re feeling.

My wife is in the same boat as you. I've technically impregnated her three times but each time her body rejects it. We've come to accept that it's just not in our future. My heart breaks for any woman that is going through what you are and you're right, it's not fair.
I am so very sorry. Has anyone been able to medically explain why her body is rejecting it? Is there some sort of diagnosis?
 
How long have you and your husband been trying? I was in the exact same boat as you and I know how you’re feeling.
Thank you so much for your kindness, it's been a little bit over 6 months of trying. The wedding is set for December, and in my mind i just have to be pregnant so i can announce it at the wedding. I refuse to go to a fertility clinic and hear conformation of my worst fears.
 
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I’ve thought this, too. Hearing “if it’s not mine, I don’t want to raise it” or some variation thereof gives me the willies.
tbf it is a bit more complicated than that. on its base, the older a kid is, the less likely you're "dad", more likely "steve", and that's also connected to disciplining or advising or trying to be a parental figure. "you're not my dad" x1000. the cutoff point is like at edgy teen phase where you could theoretically have a step dad live out like a old wholesome comedy movie and forge a bond with them, but past that you're essentially locked into steve. that also spreads subconsciously as you being a replacement and not special, which you basically are anyway in that situation, except instead of something like being another best friend when one passed on it feels akin to a coworker you get on well enough with. obviously there's countless situations and what-abouts, like say, a woman with a abusive husband and kid that meets a romance novel protag, or a nearly broken man that meets an angel, but at it's core it's always something where the occam's razor is "... eh nah i'm good". there's also tons of psychological things that add on, like how every relationship deteriorates in value mentally. as in, your school crush that you married and had a awful divorce with after 15 years was very passionate, each one after that is that much closer to a numb state of "they didn't take the garbage out when i asked them/they didn't want to have sex as much or little as i did/they worked too much/too little so i broke up with them". aka you're going to fight like hell for first love, but dale from state farm that was nice you're inclined to not so much.

also, generally in terms of alternative options and from the pov of a male with jealousy/abandonment issues, adoption is the least ick, especially with any research into artificial insemination etc. looking through a book at the most eligible candidate to ensure health of child, also known as what vial of sperm came from the most studly person is way too damn close to feeling like cucking, and if the man gives the woman the same respect, surrogacy feels like cucking your wife. "would you have his children?" is ick. like asking a dude if he'd impregnate your wife. of course it's more detached than that (usually, unless you do the ""natural"" versions i have heard of where your husband is allowed to bang or similar the surrogate until impreg or cum in a jar for use or vice versa) but it's a very emotionally sensitive time for both partners on the end. if the male is infertile, sure "not studly enough grrr" is one mental thing, but more importantly in the context of any relationship, it's "oh god, are they going to find someone else who is? would they tell me if they even did or say it was an act of god we're having a kid after 5 years of trying?" or "oh god, the second date they said they wanted lots of kids, will they break up with me if i tell them i can't have kids?" which can also cause self fulfilling prophecies of just embracing Fuck The World, It Hates Me Anyway, and of course that's not just the man, women have same issues. both partners will be much more likely to be very volatile about "just friends" etc, so it's a very good idea for both to be very reassuring in words and actions.

all that said imo it being "not your kid" is the top of the glacier covering much bigger issues like not wanting to be/feel like the evil stepmom or just steve. excusing pop culture references, no dad by majority is going to have an issue being a joel to ellie from tlou, it just becomes a thing when there's some form of something like having an altar to her real dad that her and her mom talk to for an hour each day while you sit in the garage, or better yet since there's still situations where that's understandable to a point, something like being ""close friends"" with their ex which 99.9% of the time proven by recurring cases just means they are or are going to fuck their ex for whatever reason, for example ""closure"" or labeling themselves unsatisfied
 
^ I understand most of that, I guess. Worrying about being second to biological parents, worrying that your partner will leave you if you can’t have children naturally, feeling inadequate for needing a donor or a surrogate, and “you’re not my real parent” discipline issues are all problems that would burden adoptive mothers and fathers equally, though, I would imagine.

It’s still icky when a man says he wants children but won’t even consider adoption. I think it’s evident of a man who has been wrapped up in the “muh legacy, muh genes” tripe, not a man who genuinely wants to raise a child into a decent adult. When you’re searching for a father for your children, you hope to God you find the latter and not the former, no matter which way you acquire your kids.
 
I understand most of that, I guess. Worrying about being second to biological parents, worrying that your partner will leave you if you can’t have children naturally, feeling inadequate for needing a donor or a surrogate, and “you’re not my real parent” discipline issues are all problems that would burden adoptive mothers and fathers equally, though, I would imagine.

To be clear, adoption wasn’t off the table entirely with us. We just wanted to do everything we could before courting it. Anyone who is in the same boat as us and weighing the options of adoption vs. IVF will know that it is basically just as expensive if not more so to adopt. I think there are a few different ways to do it, but through an agency is the “best” way (or so we were told).

Thank you so much for your kindness, it's been a little bit over 6 months of trying.

Okay. And are you guys “doing it” throughout your fertile window (I.e. a few days before you start ovulating and even when you start to ovulate)? You can also try having him abstain from spanking the monkey for a few days before you guys start trying during the fertile window.

BTW you don’t have to answer those^ questions, that was just some general advice for those who are trying.

Regardless, they say to give it a year of trying before seeking medical help. My husband and I were trying for two years before we sought a fertility doctor. My advice is to not wait as long as we did—but that’s entirely up to you.
 
I am so very sorry. Has anyone been able to medically explain why her body is rejecting it? Is there some sort of diagnosis?
POI is the most agreed upon diagnosis from the docs we've seen. Trying to figure this out with her blackpilled me on how women are treated in the medical community. At this point I just wish that it was something wrong with me because it would be 100% identified and fixed by now.
 
POI is the most agreed upon diagnosis from the docs we've seen. Trying to figure this out with her blackpilled me on how women are treated in the medical community. At this point I just wish that it was something wrong with me because it would be 100% identified and fixed by now.
I don’t know much about that, I did a quick google search. I’m very sorry to hear that.

And you are completely right. My husband and I both did testing before even starting down the path of infertility treatment. Mine was all bloodwork, his was semen analysis. All the doctor could tell us was that we “are both on the low side of normal ranges.”

I said, “Doctor, if we are both technically in normal ranges then why are we having problems?”
His answer: *shrugs*

We weren’t asked anymore questions about our health, our lifestyles, or given any further tests than those. I truly hate that doctors these days are seemingly too busy to actually get down to the bottom of an issue. How does anything get diagnosed anymore? We were already seeing a specialist. Do we have to see an ultra special specialist in some giant urban metroplex just to get answers other than *shrugs*?

Anyway. Rant over.
Have they offered any suggestions for a treatment path for you two?

This is all personal and sorry if it brings up some painful memories, but do you know if she was given progesterone supplements or any other supplements when she was in early pregnancy? And at what week did she miscarry?
You don’t have to answer those questions, but I am asking because I had to take a shit ton of progesterone supplements and other supplements until I hit my second trimester. I think it was done that way “to be safe.” A fetus is technically always at risk until it hits second trimester, then the risk of miscarriage is around 2% (direct quote from my OB Doctor—I don’t know if there are exceptions).
Maybe extra progesterone supplements would help her body keep the baby and not reject it?

I’m not a doctor, and this isn’t medical advice, I would just ask about that if it wasn’t already offered as a suggestion.
 
Have they offered any suggestions for a treatment path for you two?

This is all personal and sorry if it brings up some painful memories, but do you know if she was given progesterone supplements or any other supplements when she was in early pregnancy? And at what week did she miscarry?
You don’t have to answer those questions, but I am asking because I had to take a shit ton of progesterone supplements and other supplements until I hit my second trimester. I think it was done that way “to be safe.” A fetus is technically always at risk until it hits second trimester, then the risk of miscarriage is around 2% (direct quote from my OB Doctor—I don’t know if there are exceptions).
Maybe extra progesterone supplements would help her body keep the baby and not reject it?
The first time was "on us" you could say. It was accidental, and we weren't even aware until the child was gone because it was common for her to have long spans of time without a period (the biggest red flag for the POI, in my opinion). We went to the doctor right away and they estimated three weeks in, I think? It's been a long road since then so I can't remember exactly how far they said she was besides it was very early.

We didn't try for a long time after because of, well, I hate "trauma" being overused these days, but that's the only word that accurately describes what she went through. We were a lot more careful with BC after that.

When we tried again, it was estrogen and progesterone treatments. That didn't last long, 10 days. Hit a little less hard this time.
Third time was after the POI was diagnosed, so we did hormone treatments + donor egg IVF. We made it six weeks for that one.

After that we were just too emotionally exhausted to want to try again.

I appreciate being able to talk about it anonymously, helped me work through the lingering feels about situation in a disconnected way you don't get from family, if that makes any sense. But I think I've said all I can say without my wife getting irritated. Best of luck to your family from some random on the Internet.
 
I appreciate being able to talk about it anonymously, helped me work through the lingering feels about situation in a disconnected way you don't get from family, if that makes any sense. But I think I've said all I can say without my wife getting irritated. Best of luck to your family from some random on the Internet.
Yes, definitely. And I apologize for the million questions.
I will keep you and your wife in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you for the well wishes.
 
Any success stories or other kiwis with experience in IVF or IUIs?
I will know next week if our last chance at conceiving through IVF has any chance of being successful (i.e. if I get a positivie pregnancy test, know there's chance of things not working after that.....)..

Its been 5 years of hell. Took 2 years to jump through all the NHS hoops before they'll refer you for IVF, then waiting list, then its been 2 years of hormones and heartbreak.

agree with the sentiment on adoption, but I'm sure there is a psychological drive to at least exhaust every option before a woman just gives up completely
I don't understand why people treat adoption as remotely comparable. Its frankly trivilalising infertility when people say "you can just adopt instead." And it completely ignores the challenges unique to adoption.

Even if you adopt a newborn, it will probably have gone through things in the womb that your own child would not. Even by 6 months old severe damage can have been done by neglect, and from then on the potential for serious psychological damage compounds.

We will adopt if this doesn't work, but we understand that there will likely be serious trauma and behavioural problems to work through. We have people in our lives who are very well qualified to advise us about how best to approach them, and help close by. Without that support I don't think I'd consider it, certainly not a sibling group which is what we would like to adopt.

IUI didn’t work for us, but after a round of IVF we are now expecting our baby.
Congratulations! I'm very happy for you.

My AMH was so low that most local authorities won't fund IVF at all, so it was always a long shot. It has been extremely hard, even when I'm not on hormones making my mood unstable.

Troons can fuck off. They will never know this pain.
 
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