Do Middle Class White Men That Want Trad Wives Really Exist?

[Male Idiot]

Ironic really, because intelligence is disproportionately inherited from the maternal side.
I seem to remember one of the Ancient Greek philosophers or writers saying this too - that intelligence comes more from the mother, and exhorting young men to pick accordingly.

Any source on that from the geneticists? I'm curious.

That's why modern elites are such dysgenic retards

Well that makes a lot of sense now. I would have thought it was a mix from both parents, but that fits a pattern.

 

[Paper Machete]

I think you're a good example of why traditionalism doesn't work.

people say they want something and then complain when they get it because what they actually wanted was some romanticized notion of 'tradition' as it exists in their own minds.

Arranged marraiges weren't always great but they make a great deal of sense in an agrarian society centered around family bonds. What altered the way people married was the increased urbanization and industrialization of western societies and not some moral virtue intrinsic to modern people

It's because what most people mean when they say "trad" is just "I want normal gender roles, plz". It's not necessarily that the woman isn't a worker so much as she's a supporting role to the husband and steps back from and to work as/when necessary for the sake of family life. The husband is the main provider/leader in this dynamic and she's his second hand.

The typical 50s romanticization of housewives as non-workers who just nurtured children and did shit all else is mostly a boomer era ideal built of idealizing what rich people could already do as the burgeoning middle class then had unprecedented purchasing power and ability to do new shit like that. I don't really think people understand that rich men don't care about their wife working not because they just want a bimbo to shut up necessarily but because they don't need a woman who helps in the way poor/middle class guys do. It's immaterial to them. A woman's value is weighted heavily in the other areas. This is also to say nothing of celebrities which aren't really elites in the traditional sense. They're overpaid entertainers. If you're monkey see monkey do with people like actors you're a special kind of tard.

Expecting the man to do everything economics wise plus realistically also do maintenance stuff around the house and cars as trads like to depict is a fucking bonkers expectation for the majority of guys. Which is why they're "shy" of the prospect. It sounds nice in theory but needs a lot more income for most areas than people realize.

People underestimate how work has atomized as well. Not just the other stuff with life. Households used to all pull together. Farms were family units and hired hands all helping together to create one economic block, so to speak, as opposed to units. Just as an example. So women always worked. It was just conceived of differently.

The entire discussion about trad is fucked and retarded on both extreme ends and neither really historically understand what households and marriages in the past looked like. There is a reason so many women needed uppers back in the day and why so many guys had a midlife crisis and started banging hookers all a sudden. It's a lot of pressure on both ends that's unnatural and performative.

 

[Estate]

Just genuinely curious. And I've never found this.

Are you fat?
Are you some mystery colored mongrel?
Do you yap too much?
Are you heavily autistic?
Do you have a girl cock?

If you answer yes to any of the above that's the reason.
If you answered no to all the above, you're lying to me

 

[Chunky Salsa]

You can just look at hollywood actors to see how prevalent is it for rich men to date women often decades younger than them and regularly switch for younger models when they become too old

I don't think this tracks. Hollywood isn't just wealthy, it's engineered to produce vapid, consumerist retards.

 

[Otterly]

Any source on that from the geneticists? I'm curious.

You have to be careful with it because a lot of secondary sources overstate the claims, like ‘inheritance solely from mother’ kind of stuff. About 70-89% of iq variance is genetic, and a huge number of the genes associated with it are on the X chromosome, and the maternal copies seem to be activated in relevant bits of the brain not the paternal copies. As with all polygenic traits it’s a marginal effect not a total one bit it’s interesting it’s been noted through history. I’ve looked for the Greek/ancient source and can’t find anything, perhaps one of our classically educated kiwis can say ?

 

[Naproxen Sodium]

So women always worked. It was just conceived of differently

This I have no particular issue with. Women always worked. The etymology for wife is basically 'a woman with a job'. But where I differ is that I have no idea what the expectations are on a woman anymore. Do you all want some career woman or do you want a housewife?

 

[Got Milk!]

This I have no particular issue with. Women always worked. The etymology for wife is basically 'a woman with a job'. But where I differ is that I have no idea what the expectations are on a woman anymore. Do you all want some career woman or do you want a housewife?

That's definitely open to each person's definition because there isn't a clear one. I would be indifferent if my wife worked. My ex didn't work for 4 years. Just kept the house. That was fine. I gave her spending money every month too. But on the other hand, if she wanted to get a job then no problem. Not everyone feels this way. My best friend's wife doesn't work. He won't let her and she's an RN so it's not like it would be a small financial contribution if she worked. So that depends on the guy

 

[babadook]

Yes but I’m already married to her going on 43 years.

my husband has always been the head of the family in a way, and definitely the provider. he does also deals with car stuff, putting gas in the car, scary bugs, bills, etc..i take care of the home, cooking, baking, sewing, laundry, kids, etc.
it works for us.
that said, ive been married for nearly 34 years (we got married at 17 and 18 ) so its not a new thing. its something that we both thought would work, and it did.


i dont think thats true...if you have been married for a long time and have built memories with someone, them being older shouldnt make them less lovable.

 

[babadook]

Well, I have a family member who had a very fun answer to that. When she was 16 she decided she wanted to be a gold digger and marry a man who made as much money as possible. By the time she was in her early 20s, that's exactly what she did. Her answer to making sure divorce or splitting up doesn't happen? Keep pumping out kids.

Worked out pretty darn well for her.

Is your friend Caroline Leavitt?

 

[ringtones]

I got rid of my girlfriend, quit a six figure job, and moved into a small apartment.

Why should I continue to bust my ass for some femoid? What do I get out of it?

All I get out of this entire country is hate directed directly at me. You can all eat shit and die for all I care.
Point illustrated:

 

[Naproxen Sodium]

Are you fat?
Are you some mystery colored mongrel?
Do you yap too much?
Are you heavily autistic?
Do you have a girl cock?

If you answer yes to any of the above that's the reason.
If you answered no to all the above, you're lying to me

Nah, just made a poor mistake in the past. Married young and stupid to a man who hated the idea he should protect or provide for anything. All housework was beneath a woman, she should be a careerfag. At the same time, wanted me to take care of the house, kids, refused to do anything to protect and I had to force him into providing. One of the weirder wages of sin. He was firmly middle class from the beginning to end.

 

[babadook]

quit a six figure job [...]what do I get out of it?

Less money, and marvelslop reaction pics

 

[Estate]

Nah, just made a poor mistake in the past. Married young and stupid to a man who hated the idea he should protect or provide for anything. All housework was beneath a woman, she should be a careerfag. At the same time, wanted me to take care of the house, kids, refused to do anything to protect and I had to force him into providing. One of the weirder wages of sin. He was firmly middle class from the beginning to end.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
What's done is done.

Stop throwing a pity party on the farms, it's cringe.
Get fit and healthy, nobody likes a fatty.
Take care of yourself, nobody likes an uggo and unkept person.
Brush your teeth, nobody likes to kiss a sewer.
Take some hobby that's appealing for both sexes and it gives you opportunity to interact with the opposite sex. I recommend dancing classes.

Get to it, tiger.

 

[Got Milk!]

Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
What's done is done.

Stop throwing a pity party on the farms, it's cringe.
Get fit and healthy, nobody likes a fatty.
Take care of yourself, nobody likes an uggo and unkept person.
Brush your teeth, nobody likes to kiss a sewer.
Take some hobby that's appealing for both sexes and it gives you opportunity to interact with the opposite sex. I recommend dancing classes.

Get to it, tiger.

Alternatively, consider trying to date here and then getting the DMs leaked a few months later. @WelperHelper99 is knowledgeable in such things if you need guidance.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

I wouldn't know OP, I don't concern myself with a dying breed

 

[Gaystapo]

You have to be careful with it because a lot of secondary sources overstate the claims, like ‘inheritance solely from mother’ kind of stuff. About 70-89% of iq variance is genetic, and a huge number of the genes associated with it are on the X chromosome, and the maternal copies seem to be activated in relevant bits of the brain not the paternal copies. As with all polygenic traits it’s a marginal effect not a total one bit it’s interesting it’s been noted through history. I’ve looked for the Greek/ancient source and can’t find anything, perhaps one of our classically educated kiwis can say ?

I don't have any sources and I didn't know that intelligence was mostly inherited thru your mother, but I have always been confused by men who seek out retarded bimbos. Because why would you want your kids to also be retarded? And what would you even bond over outside of sex? I found it extremely attractive that one of the women I had a crush on in the past was pursuing a PhD. Something that draws me to a woman is when we can have intellectual conversations.

Granted, smart women usually date smart men. I think it's dumb when I see incels complaining about women with PhDs on Xitter, because those PhD women typically marry PhD men. It's not like they stood a chance with a PhD woman to begin with. I've seen several professor married couples. But even if a woman doesn't work or have an advanced degree, she can still be smart. My mother has never had a 9-5, but she is extremely clever and talented.

I have also theorized before that one of the reasons the "bimbo fetish" is such a huge thing in porn is as propaganda to dumb normies down, but that may be a bit schizo of me to say. It is just odd to me how normalized BDSM has become because it promotes learned helplessness and fetishizes weakness. That's why MTFs who feel like they're "failed men" always want to become bimbo whores. And it's why BPD women from broken homes want to become the same thing. They're looking for a savior, but ideally, both partners should be mentally stable and strong on their own. Otherwise, you run the risk of generational cycles of mental illness if one or both are mentally ill. "Doms" in these relationships tend to take out their anger on the "sub" too. Gooners get defensive when I say it, but I don't think BDSM is healthy. Yes BDSM is usually rooted in trauma, but that doesn't mean it's a healthy way of dealing with said trauma. A relationship shouldn't be about having a Strong Partner and a Weak Partner, but instead two people in a team, hence the word "partner".

Ironically, every "trad dom Alpha Male" I have seen online has been extremely effeminate and insecure (personality-wise). And despite their larping as submissive and trad, the women in these relationships have embodied the "toxic" traits of masculinity (personality-wise). The misogynist's hatred of the feminine is likely because he hates his own feminine traits. The misandrist's hatred of the masculine is likely because she hates her own masculine traits. Everyone has both, yin-yang, not in a tranny way but a well-rounded person should be a balance of logical and emotional, of strength and of mind.

 

[Jewish Fantasy Race]

The "trad wife" as like a modern idea is, as mentioned, completely retarded and divorced from traditional life. There used to be much, much, much more labor involved in homemaking that, along with childcare, accounted for at least the value of a modern salary. Supermarkets, laundry machines, and vacuums have replaced most of the work.

However... child care is still a concern. Young kids need a stay at home parent. Daycare is not an acceptable alternative, unless you're fine with Nigerian women abusing your children. Either sharing the responsibly or having the wife take a hiatus from work to be a SAHM are the only solutions really. Women who want to be good mothers should probably choose careers that are more forgiving of gaps. And if families can afford having a SAHM for older children, it's really a wonderful thing. But most of the value was taken out of the job, it's absolutely a luxury now.

 

[Gaystapo]

Women who want to be good mothers should probably choose careers that are more forgiving of gaps.

Working in education seems like a great job for mothers. They get the entire Summer off to spend with their kid during Summer Break. And it's not like they're looking after their kids while school is in session, because the kids are in school too themselves.

I agree that having a stay-at-home parent is ideal for the wellbeing of a child. I also wish stay-at-home fathers were more normalized. If being a "tradhusband" is exclusively about providing money, then I guess disabled husbands are "worthless garbage" apparently? Multigenerational households should be more normalized too. My grandparents helped raise me. Having grandparents that can help take care of the kids definitely helps when both parents are busy.

I imagine remote work also makes being a working parent easier. Because you can do your work from home on a computer, you're still in the house to be able to check on your kid. I had a friend growing up that had two working parents, but both did remote work on computers, so they were always home with their kid.

People who are completely against women working at all make no sense to me, because there are some jobs where a woman makes more sense in them. Incels who desire a weakwilled obedient submissive braindead bimbo "tradwife" don't realize how miserable that actually would be. I have dated a woman who was clearly less intelligent than me before, and I genuinely hated it. I've read that you can only get along with people within a certain range above/below your own IQ.

If you want a braindead bimbo as a wife, then don't be surprised when she makes retarded decisions with your kids. Just look at how Kanye's ex-wife Kim Kardashian allows his 12-year-old daughter to dress like a literal prostitute and talk to older men. That's what happens when you date a bimbo whore. You cannot turn a hoe into a housewife. Wanting a wife who's subhuman is clearly just insecurity. They want a woman to be fully dependent on them because they are too afraid that she may leave them otherwise. They miss the days where just being a man was enough on its own to get a wife. Don't get me wrong, I hate dating apps and libtards attacking the family structure, but incels go too far when they essentially want tard wives. If your response to your partner having success in something is seething jealousy, then you're not fit for a relationship. It shouldn't be a dick measuring contest.

 

[Male Idiot]

Kanye's ex-wife Kim Kardashian allows his 12-year-old daughter to dress like a literal prostitute and talk to older men. That's what happens when you date a bimbo whore.

That is some hobbitphobia there.

 

[Jewish Fantasy Race]

I also wish stay-at-home fathers were more normalized.

I really don't trust stay at home fathers as a concept. I do not think that men are on average, joyful/warm homemakers, and in my experience... men really "acclimate" to only deliver the bare minimum of work that solves whatever situation they're in. I really do not want to see a house run by a SAH father, nor do I trust men who want to be one.