Debate user The_Cowcel about incels.

[crazedaze]

Women are always looking to "improve" the genes of the next generation even if it means reproducing with a misogyinistic woman beater

we live in a gynocracy

Female nature cannot be overriden, you can't take the biology out of women no matter what you do.

Intelligent men might make better boyfriends, but women are not selecting for them, they are selecting for the drug dealers and the tall bullies, so it doesn't matter.

Another misogynistic victim who identifies with op. Funny how that works

 

[Burning Bridge]

I generally stay out of these "reaffirm your own positions by lambasting some poor sod" threads, but one thing stood out:

When thoughts are running like that, tell them to stop, then will yourself to blankness and focus just on the physical thing you're doing. Tell the thoughts to shut up, and keep returning to a mental blank wall. It will last one second, maybe two, to start. But with consistent effort, the time without those things running through your head will extend. And over longer time, you'll be more able to identify when unhelpful words run through your mind and be more able to silence them. And eventually there will be whole blocks of time without them when you are fully engaged in some activity.

It is hard at first. But it is one of the absolute best things to practice and learn.

They told me that, too. I even tried to stop thinking entirely to get them to go away. It doesn't work. At some point you just have to figure out how to live with constant negativity.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I generally stay out of these "reaffirm your own positions by lambasting some poor sod" threads, but one thing stood out:

They told me that, too. I even tried to stop thinking entirely to get them to go away. It doesn't work. At some point you just have to figure out how to live with constant negativity.

My experience has been different. How long did you practice, all day, everyday? It can take awhile to undo decades of un/subconscious thinking.

But to be clear, Im not suggesting that if you just try hard enough it will all disappear in a poof, or that one thing alone will solve everything. But it is certainly possible to knock it down a peg or thousand, which can put a person in a much better (manageable) place.

Also: being aware of it is important. Even just knowing what is happening as a "thing" rather than a truth and demoting it to noise can improve things a great deal.

 

[Starefag]

I generally stay out of these "reaffirm your own positions by lambasting some poor sod" threads

I think they're funny.
Generally if you're a disruptive enough sperg to get your conversation moved to mass debates you probably deserve to have rocks thrown at you. At least for a little while

 

[Burning Bridge]

How long did you practice, all day, everyday? It can take awhile to undo decades of un/subconscious thinking.

Not all day, maintaining discipline like that isn't easy, but everyday for a few months minimum. The only real, practical use it gave me was the ability to nip panic attacks in the bud. It had been something I was doing for a long time anyway; I first taught myself how to meditate like that as a kid trying to avoid nightmares. Now I use it to get any sleep at all.

But to be clear, Im not suggesting that if you just try hard enough it will all disappear in a poof, or that one thing alone will solve everything. But it is certainly possible to knock it down a peg or thousand, which can put a person in a much better (manageable) place.

It's more like building up a tolerance against poison. With exposure comes resistance, assuming it doesn't completely destroy you outright.

 

[Sperghetti]

Most things either remind me of my inadequacies or leave me with too much time to dwell on my thoughts.

That’s actually good for you, though.

I think a large part of your problem is that truly self-critical thoughts are overwhelming to you, so you’ve conditioned yourself to push them away rather than actually explore them. You think you haven’t because you’re willing to admit your bad habits and shortcomings just enough to wallow in self-pity about them, like you are in this thread. But the ability to really, fully explore why they’re there there and how to change them is stifled, because it’s much easier and more comfortable for you to just think that things are hopeless and everything would be better if only people liked you.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I've been trying to make progress being more interesting but progress is slow

LEARN TO FUCKING TALK ABOUT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW HOW YOU BECOME INTERESTING? YOU FUCKING KNOW THINGS AND CAN TALK ABOUT THEM. FUCK.

Or are you going to be hyper-pathetic and say you don't know anything or women aren't interested in the things you're knowledgeable about?

Right now, there's not really much you can do about dating other than getting extremely lucky,

Bullshit. There's lots you can do if you aren't lazy.

No matter what you do, if you don't cut it then you don't cut it.

Congratulations, you faggots have cornered me into agreeing with Null. If Chris Chan can get laid, so can you.

can do to change the fact that some people are not attractive or are not wanted

Yes you can. You can stop being a little bitch, go to the gym, and stop feeling sorry for yourselves.

i have kind of learned to be at peace with that.

That's the opposite of what you should do.

i still have my breakdowns

Lol, NIGGA. Don't talk about your foreveralone breakdowns on the Farms. You get 1 freebie.

I am technically an incel

You don't say.

sometimes, learning to give up (in a healthy way, i guess) is really the best course of action

Giving up is for fags. There's a difference between learning not to fight things and giving up.

If women don't like you, you cannot force that attraction

Sure you can. Do you have any idea how many women sleep with/date/marry men they fucking DESPISE or started out hating? You'll find out very quickly it's every 1/4 married couple.

You know how you fix your problems? Go find the guys who do have girlfriends and get laid and pull women and start learning what they do and how they behave and take the parts you like and become those guys. Your aptitude for finding a partner and having a life depends on your ability to do this. Want to know why women liked the douchebag ass hole jocks? It's because they wore their douchebaggery on their sleeve so women view them as genuine.

Let me break it down for you fucks. Women like aggressive, confident men. Why? Because women are reading you. They are reading what you say. If you're quiet, they can't read you. If you keep to yourself and say nothing, they can't read you and they find that uncomfortable. They see you enough when you don't say anything, you become creepy. The ass hole in high school got your crush because he wore himself on his sleeve so she knew what she was getting into. You? You could be a serial killer, an abuser, a school shooter, or a creepy stalker. Women depend on the information you give them to make their own judgement.

How long did you practice, all day, everyday? It can take awhile to undo decades of un/subconscious thinking.

It really doesn't. It can take weeks of good effort and results to fix decades of you put your ass in enough gear. You have to find your balls though and none of these guys clearly someone kick their teeth in enough to do this.

The only real, practical use it gave me was the ability to nip panic attacks in the bud.

Nigga.....what is this? The Pathetic Olympics?

 

[Burning Bridge]

Nigga.....what is this? The Pathetic Olympics?

Not all of us were lucky enough to escape the push for medicalization of children unscathed. Congrats on picking yourself up by your bootstraps, tho.

 

[Hotmilk]

I'm just gonna say, incels will keep on existing thanks to random genetic recombination.

You're the blackpill final boss wow. I've read your whole post and it's gay af
Why don't you kill yourself?
That would be the most logical option.
Kill yourself, turn gay or troon out.
The only solution if it's joever to that point.

Also attractiveness is at most 50% genetic. The rest is up to you and you're 100% failing at it.

 

[The_Cowcel]

That’s actually good for you, though.

I think a large part of your problem is that truly self-critical thoughts are overwhelming to you, so you’ve conditioned yourself to push them away rather than actually explore them. You think you haven’t because you’re willing to admit your bad habits and shortcomings just enough to wallow in self-pity about them, like you are in this thread. But the ability to really, fully explore why they’re there there and how to change them is stifled, because it’s much easier and more comfortable for you to just think that things are hopeless and everything would be better if only people liked you.

My faults are all things I can't do anything about, I spend as much if not more time trying to improve as those I envy and many of the things I'm a consistent failure at don't even matter, I'm a failure at everything from hobbies to a social life and nothing I've tried has ever changed that. Spending time thinking about how shit I am at everything and how much my life sucks won't solve anything. I seem to be going through the same motions as everyone else but without any success, even my observations on the world around me don't line up with what most other people describe, I seem to live in an entirely different world.

LEARN TO FUCKING TALK ABOUT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW HOW YOU BECOME INTERESTING? YOU FUCKING KNOW THINGS AND CAN TALK ABOUT THEM. FUCK.

Or are you going to be hyper-pathetic and say you don't know anything or women aren't interested in the things you're knowledgeable about?

How do I even get to the point of talking about things though? My conversations die after the first couple exchanges of small talk. Am I just meant to somehow be outwardly interesting magically just by being more knowledgeable?

Congratulations, you faggots have cornered me into agreeing with Null. If Chris Chan can get laid, so can you

He was basically an international celebrity when he had his first unpaid sexual encounter and even then it didn't last.

Yes you can. You can stop being a little bitch, go to the gym, and stop feeling sorry for yourselves.

You seem to be underestimating the looks threshold to achieve success dating. I'm not a bad looking guy, I'm not over weight and I'm not particularly lacking in musculature either but that isn't enough to achieve success in the current year.

Let me break it down for you fucks. Women like aggressive, confident men

Being aggressive and confident sounds like a quick way to be banned and/or have the police called on me. Modern society forces extreme passivity on men, even here on the farms when I've discussed my views on how to keep a woman from leaving it's treated as abusive. I've basically just learned to shut up and tolerate being a doormat.

They are reading what you say. If you're quiet, they can't read you. If you keep to yourself and say nothing, they can't read you and they find that uncomfortable. They see you enough when you don't say anything, you become creepy.

Sounds like there's no way to win, if I just walk around telling women to their face how much I want to fuck them I'll be treated as a nuisance at best and a criminal at worst(especially if I fuck up and unknowingly say it to a minor), whereas if I say and do nothing I'm ignored and seen as creepy.

You? You could be a serial killer, an abuser, a school shooter, or a creepy stalker. Women depend on the information you give them to make their own judgement.

It took me a few reads of that for me to realize that you meant "serial killer, an abuser, a school shooter, or a creepy stalker" in a negative way as opposed to examples of types of men who are more sexually successful and desirable than me.

Not all of us were lucky enough to escape the push for medicalization of children unscathed. Congrats on picking yourself up by your bootstraps, tho.

You too? Amazing what kind of affects can be caused by drugging up children in their formative years.

 

[Goonbase Alpha]

Damn, I always miss the fun threads when they’re actually happening…

After reading through the last 10 pages, I’ve come to the same conclusion as most of the other people commenting here: OP doesn’t actually want a relationship, he wants instant gratification without putting in the effort towards improving himself. That’s why I believe I have the perfect solution for not just OP, but any incel who finds themselves in the same predicament as him:

Heroin.

You see @The_Cowcel, the good thing about maintaining a heroin habit is that unlike dating, the crippling learned helplessness you’ve fostered over the years isn’t a barrier of entry. All you need to do is purchase crypto, open a Tor browser, and start checking out online marketplaces that have reputable dealers. You’ve already admitted to spending most of your time on the computer, so you’re already 90% of the way there! Good job, go you!

The reason that heroin is perfect for someone like you is that it fills the same exact void that having a girlfriend does, but better than any dang, dirty femoid ever could! It doesn’t care that you have no hobbies, no interests, and nothing to talk about; heroin loves you just the way you are! All that self-doubt you said you deal with every day? Heroin makes that aaaall melt away as you drift into the loving arms of bliss and relaxation! Now doesn’t that sound nice? Let’s see those hecking females and the terrorists who deny you their pleasure give you that!!

Now, I know what you’re thinking: “isn’t heroin dangerous?” Well what are you, a fucking narc? guess what? So’s dating. Ever heard of herpes? AIDS? The blue waffle? The only way you have to worry about that sort of thing while doing heroin is if you share needles, and you already said you don’t have friends, so you’re already in the clear! Also disregard any other health risks you read about, they just tell you that stuff to scare you away from being happy because they’re jealous.

Now here’s the most important part: whatever you read about what is or isn’t a safe dose for beginners, take that number and double it… no, triple it. You’re going to want to make up for all the satisfaction you’ve been missing out on over the years, and this is the best way to do it! Do as much as you can, as quickly as possible. The key takeaway here is that more=better: the more you do, the better you feel. Don’t hold back, because before long you’ll forget why you ever wanted a girlfriend in the first place!

I hope that you, and any other incel on this site, find this advice helpful and encouraging. You’ve already got nothing left to lose, so instead of swimming against the current like you are now, why not take easy street to achieving the same goal? I believe things can get better for you @The_Cowcel, all you have to do is take the first step!

Spoiler

/sneed

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

My faults are all things I can't do anything about, I spend as much if not more time trying to improve as those I envy and many of the things I'm a consistent failure at don't even matter, I'm a failure at everything from hobbies to a social life and nothing I've tried has ever changed that. Spending time thinking about how shit I am at everything and how much my life sucks won't solve anything. I seem to be going through the same motions as everyone else but without any success, even my observations on the world around me don't line up with what most other people describe, I seem to live in an entirely different world.

Please give 3 short examples of failing at a hobby.

...

And you can read and you can write; there are two hobbies for you that you can't fail. I will assume you can walk, so there's another one.

Am I just meant to somehow be outwardly interesting magically just by being more knowledgeable?

Not necessarily "knowledgeable"*; more informed, more engaged, more aware, more interested.

*no, rambling at length about something you think no one knows as much about as you do isn't the right approach, either.

international celebrity

Lol, no.

You seem to be underestimating the looks threshold to achieve success dating. I'm not a bad looking guy, I'm not over weight and I'm not particularly lacking in musculature either but that isn't enough to achieve success in the current year.

This is the type of reply that hollers trolling. But in for a penny, in for a pound, so NO, don't be ridiculous. Every single day I see & know physically average or below-average men with wives and girlfriends, as well as "presumably) single guys smiling, flirting with and chatting up women.

if I just walk around telling women to their face how much I want to fuck them I'll be treated as a nuisance at best and a criminal at worst(especially if I fuck up and unknowingly say it to a minor), whereas if I say and do nothing I'm ignored and seen as creepy.

I'm going to assume you're not as creepy as that sounds and are just suffering from a false dichotomy in your thinking.

Iow, these are not your only options. These are not even two good options.

Modern society forces extreme passivity on men, even here on the farms when I've discussed my views on how to keep a woman from leaving it's treated as abusive. I've basically just learned to shut up and tolerate being a doormat.

Not surprising if the way you expressed that was phrased as you did here or have alluded to at times otherwise, which were phrased in terms of control of another person, which is creepy because it is wrong and suggests a disordered understanding of one’s and others’ importance and placement.

It's odd the things you hold so dear. And odd you think your ideas about control have any validity whatsoever when 99% of your posts itt are about how you have zero success or opportunity with girls. ...and yet you know exactly how to handle them/ what is best for them.

I've been very kind and fair about both your actual problems and what you think are the problems in your life, but I am beginning to wonder if the bits of "uh oh" I've gotten even through the intertubes (and some deliberately pretty pink glasses) from comments here and there like this are much stronger in person and perhaps part of why things are hard.

I hope not, for everyone’s sake.

Assuming not,
Song for you:

Angst isn't new. That doesn't make it feel better, but just so you know.

And here's a meet cute with the same song, dorky or self-contained-seeming guy finds a cute but seemingly awkward girl. (No, have never seen the movie so idk)

 

[General Patton]

Sounds like there's no way to win, if I just walk around telling women to their face how much I want to fuck them I'll be treated as a nuisance at best and a criminal at worst(especially if I fuck up and unknowingly say it to a minor), whereas if I say and do nothing I'm ignored and seen as creepy.

Then stop being creepy.

 

[The_Cowcel]

Please give 3 short examples of failing at a hobby.

Being exceptionally bad at every game I play regardless of time invested, That alone is easily a half dozen examples if divided by genre. In terms of real life hobbies there's not much that I've put serious time into because everything is just so expensive, I can't trace to save my life. These aren't hobbies but I have never been able to keep up with the pace of note taking at school and whenever I've tried I always just end up with a third to half of the notes being complete, many of them being wrong and because I was so focused on writing notes I could never pay attention to the lecture so trying to take notes always left me behind in school, also I don't think I've driven more than a total of 20,000 miles but I've already hit four cars in that brief period of time. I'm just bad at everything so I hate trying.

Not necessarily "knowledgeable"*; more informed, more engaged, more aware, more interested.

*no, rambling at length about something you think no one knows as much about as you do isn't the right approach, either.

How is any of that meant to manifest? No matter how much I know I'll still be isolated.

This is the type of reply that hollers trolling. But in for a penny, in for a pound, so NO, don't be ridiculous. Every single day I see & know physically average or below-average men with wives and girlfriends, as well as "presumably) single guys smiling, flirting with and chatting up women.

Those guys probably had connections to set them up with a woman, I don't I have to rely on online dating.

I'm going to assume you're not as creepy as that sounds and are just suffering from a false dichotomy in your thinking.

Iow, these are not your only options. These are not even two good options.

My whole reason for approaching a woman is for sex and a relationship, I can either conceal my intent which is safer but you claim to be creepy and usually ends in a dead conversation or I can just be straightforward with my intent which is risky, but "genuine" and something I have never tried. You're telling me to be more straightforward with my intent so to me that sounds like admitting my sexual and romantic intentions. rather than trying to conceal them to get closer to her.

It's odd the things you hold so dear. And odd you think your ideas about control have any validity whatsoever when 99% of your posts itt are about how you have zero success or opportunity with girls. ...and yet you know exactly how to handle them/ what is best for them.

It's easy to take a more laisse-faire approach to relationships if you feel like you could get a replacement easily or at least eventually, but coming from my position where I've been obsessing over getting a relationship for half my life I think it makes sense to feel worried about woman leaving and all sources of dissent or lust which could turn her against me.

I've been very kind and fair about both your actual problems and what you think are the problems in your life, but I am beginning to wonder if the bits of "uh oh" I've gotten even through the intertubes (and some deliberately pretty pink glasses) from comments here and there like this are much stronger in person and perhaps part of why things are hard.

I can't imagine most women are left with any impression of me at all. I don't talk to them(or anyone), I make an effort not to stare at any one of them for an extended period of time and to only glance if they might see me. I just fear fucking up socially to the point of exile. My last extended face to face social interaction with a female peer was over seven years ago and I cant figure out how to make interactions continue on past the initial small talk.

And here's a meet cute with the same song, dorky or self-contained-seeming guy finds a cute but seemingly awkward girl. (No, have never seen the movie so idk)

I've heard this "meet cute" term in the past and I'm really not sure what it means. Is it just a term for a media piece where an incelish guy meets a cute girl?

Then stop being creepy.

I'm not? I don't even do anything most girls I see don't even know I exist.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I've heard this "meet cute" term in the past and I'm really not sure what it means. Is it just a term for a media piece where an incelish guy meets a cute girl?

It's a situation where two characters who will be romantically involved later meet each other in circumstances that are, well, cute.

 

[General Patton]

I'm not? I don't even do anything most girls I see don't even know I exist.

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Not all of us were lucky enough to escape the push for medicalization of children unscathed. Congrats on picking yourself up by your bootstraps, tho.

LMAO, dude. That has nothing to do with being pathetic. Who you were only has impact on you now if you choose to let it. You clearly have. LMAO, muh panic attacks. Dude, grow a fucking pair of nuts. This is just sad and everyone knows it.

Am I just meant to somehow be outwardly interesting magically just by being more knowledgeable?

Yes, it's been working wonders for me.

He was basically an international celebrity when he had his first unpaid sexual encounter and even then it didn't last.

LMAOOOOO OH MY GOD MY SIDES. "I CAN'T GET LAID LIKE CHRIS CHAN BECAUSE HE WAS A CELEBRITY. HOLY SHIT MOFO. YOU ACTUALLY SAID THAT. WHAT A FUCKING RETARD. HOLY SHIT.....

I'm not a bad looking guy, I'm not over weight and I'm not particularly lacking in musculature either but that isn't enough to achieve success in the current year.

LMAO, neither is any of my other single friends but they do just fine. It's just you nigga.

Modern society forces extreme passivity on men, even here on the farms when I've discussed my views on how to keep a woman from leaving it's treated as abusive.

No you're just an autistic retard.

Sounds like there's no way to win

You're an autistic retard.

It took me a few reads of that for me to realize that you meant "serial killer, an abuser, a school shooter, or a creepy stalker" in a negative way as opposed to examples of types of men who are more sexually successful and desirable than me.

Holy fuck, my sides. You're killing me. Dude you are the most autistic incel on the Farms. You are pathetic and ineffective and ineffectual and you have no willpower to achieve anything better. You are as bad as Chris Chan. Maybe worse. Chris Chan can get laid.

I've heard this "meet cute" term in the past and I'm really not sure what it means. Is it just a term for a media piece where an incelish guy meets a cute girl

You're just autistic and retarded and boring.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

there's not much that I've put serious time into because everything is just so expensive,

Walking, talking, and writing are exceptionally cheap.

And as for note-taking, you're in school now - are the lectures recorded/ can't you record them? If so, you can re-listen after and pause/ restart to digest what was said. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile. It's for your own benefit so why would you not?

And aw on the driving. Were the scenarios similar each time?

How is any of that meant to manifest? No matter how much I know I'll still be isolated.

We're back to learning to like things for their own sake. It manifests when you take an interest in something. Say you take up tennis. You watch a lot, you get out and learn it and play some. Then you can carry a conversation about tennis bc you know a bit about it. You don't school or lecture people about it - you listen, you comment, they do the same. Voilà, a conversation.

And your second sentence is defeatist and self- fulfilling.

Those guys probably had connections to set them up with a woman, I don't I have to rely on online dating.

NOPE.

My whole reason for approaching a woman is for sex and a relationship, I can either conceal my intent which is safer but you claim to be creepy and usually ends in a dead conversation or I can just be straightforward with my intent which is risky, but "genuine" and something I have never tried. You're telling me to be more straightforward with my intent so to me that sounds like admitting my sexual and romantic intentions. rather than trying to conceal them to get closer to her.

You should be seeking to get to know a person and connect with them. If that is not of interest, then yes, you will sound creepy announcing you would like to sex them or have a relationship with avfemale sex unit.

It's easy to take a more laisse-faire approach to relationships if you feel like you could get a replacement easily or at least eventually, but coming from my position where I've been obsessing over getting a relationship for half my life I think it makes sense to feel worried about woman leaving and all sources of dissent or lust which could turn her against me.

This comment is not related to what I said. I commented on your belief you know the right way to be in a relationship while simultaneously being obsessed with the fact you haven't had one. You don't know what you're talking about, and someone in that position positing they do is a turn-off, and I mean that in both a sexual/ relationship way and just a general human appeal/ person people like to be around sort of way. It is very, very off-putting.
That aside, obsession = desperation = uncomfortable for other people.

I can't imagine most women are left with any impression of me at all. I don't talk to them(or anyone), I make an effort not to stare at any one of them for an extended period of time and to only glance if they might see me. I just fear fucking up socially to the point of exile. My last extended face to face social interaction with a female peer was over seven years ago and I cant figure out how to make interactions continue on past the initial small talk.

I am really sorry about this and really do feel bad for you - this is a very isolating situation to inhabit. So I understand why you've spun up theories about women if you've been drinking deep from the online spring of dysfunctional analyses by people in a similar situation. But I don't think absorbing those people's theories are doing you any favors.

I've heard this "meet cute" term in the past and I'm really not sure what it means. Is it just a term for a media piece where an incelish guy meets a cute girl?

It just generally refers to a cute story about people finding/ meeting each other that turns into something. Sometimes more about the cute actual meeting but I used it a little more broadly, probably.

I'm not? I don't even do anything most girls I see don't even know I exist.

But your thoughts about how to "manage" girls/ a relationship are kind of creepy, as you have described them and seem to believe.

 

[Butterschmalz]

. At some point you just have to figure out how to live with constant negativity.

no shit

 

[Mamimi]

Being aggressive and confident sounds like a quick way to be banned and/or have the police called on me. Modern society forces extreme passivity on men, even here on the farms when I've discussed my views on how to keep a woman from leaving it's treated as abusive. I've basically just learned to shut up and tolerate being a doormat.

You keep complaining about "accusations" of wanting to engage in abuse when you're describing textbook abusive behavior. Abuse isn't just beating the shit out of your girlfriend or calling her a bitch; it's usually much more insidious. Purposely isolating your partner from friends and family who you deem bad influences, economically disempowering her to make it harder to leave, and mistreating her because you think it'll make her less likely to cheat are abusive. It's referred to as coercive control.

Your incredulity at this being referred to as abusive tells me you are delusional and not self-aware, which is why I think you're off-putting to people around you (especially women) and you're just too much of a sperg to realize, despite your claims that you have no idea why foids give you a wide berth.