Debate @MaryKullis on why video games are a waste of time - Why don't you GAMERS read a BOOK instead of playing into the Jews' escapism!

[Banworld Creature]

We should try to make the most of our life, and maybe some people are so beaten down that playing video games is the best they can do after a long hard day...but I think that is a problem

How is what I choose to do during my free time a problem? I work a shitty factory job, and after a long shift of standing on concrete. I would rather chill out and play RimWorld, Darkest Dungeon or if my friend is available whatever coop game we are into at the time.

I am trying to boil down my feelings down to their core and I think it is this: if there are say two things we can do that are both entertaining to us, but one requires a bit more effort to be enjoyable, should we just settle for the easy entertainment option? If with some effort, a person who enjoys playing video games 2 hours per day, could instead learn to enjoy reading/discussing non-fiction or good fiction (with interesting metaphors to conceal unspeakable/illegal truths), walking around the block and talking with neighbors, playing a simple physical game that is good for your body and doesn't require to enter a hypnotic state of suspended disbelief, dancing, joking around with real-life friends who can be there for you in a much more real way than your gamer community, etc.

Do you really think everyone that plays video games, is a stereotypical recluse that has no social life. NEWS FLASH Not every gamer is a loser neet, some have a RL social life, and some even have a wife and kids. Also some are like me who game with RL friends, and even make plans to hang out in RL with said friends.

No one can seem to make the argument that video games are the best form of entertainment and we should all aspire to enjoy them

For a book nerd your not very smart, and incredibly narrow minded. No one can make a perfect argument for why video games are the best form of entertainment, because it is a SUBJECTIVE opinion. There is a saying I grew up believing in. "To each their own."

Video games: some games have philosophical undertones, but probably almost entirely slop in comparison to books, and the games that do have philosophical aspects are still mostly about living in a fantasy world and doing little missions, when you could be gamifying your life and enjoying personal growth instead.
Possible pros include: gives total degen druggies a cheaper drug to do. Could help seniors maintain brain activity, since they decided to play video games instead of have kids/grandkids that would keep them mentally engaged.

You sound like a pretentious faggot, with a superiority complex. This is why I didn't put much effort into my first post, because you clearly have made up your mind about video games. And unlike you, I really don't give a shit about convincing anyone why they should enjoy the hobby I grew up with. And before you assume I am a zoomer that did nothing but play video games growing up. I grew up in the good old days, when we played outside most of the day, then played video games before bed.

Since you seem like the type to autictically over analyze things, I would be interested to know what your analysis is of Fight Club being the only novel I have read all the way through.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

Real trads know that your work is your life.

So for most people, being a cuck for their boss, selling McPoison to kids, is the highest achievement in life?
Maybe what you say is indeed what those 'successful societies' do (reduce themselves to mindless cogs for the masters), but their financial success doesn't inspire me to necessarily submit to "work" when most work is part of a sick system that is destroying the world IMO. Its not like work is this benevolent thing. Just because you get paid, doesn't make it good.
Ideally, yes its great to become a skilled worker, but IMO when you turn yourself into a work-machine like this, you are just waiting to be replaced by a Real machine (which will save the bosses a lot of money.) So I would rather retain my humanity and not reduce myself to a mechanical cog for my boss who is just waiting to replace me. Is this crazy?

 

[Me•cha•ni•cal]

@MaryKullis out of curiosity, what are your experiences with video games? Have you played any?

I’m a late in life gamer and was drawn in by how broad the medium is. My prejudices were that all video games are either weird medieval fantasy like WoW or extremely bloody and violent.

I started out playing story driven games. The gameplay is minimal but is used as a means of exploration to tell the story. They’re kind of like choose your own adventure books but more immersive as you can see the character and the environments. You can hear what they sound like and see how they react to certain situations. You get both visual and auditory inputs instead of sitting quietly with a book in your hands, making the experience more immersive and stimulating.

You get to carry out actions along with the main character and in most games I’ve played also impact how the story unfolds. I often felt like I was the one carrying out the actions and therefore also felt responsible for the consequences, which is an experience I’ve never had reading a book.

Not all games are brain dead slop. There are plenty of puzzle games that challenge your problem solving skills, platform games that challenge your reaction speed, etc etc. There is to my knowledge no book or movie that can challenge you in this way.

You also have the social aspects in gaming as you can gather with friends and play a co-op game or play together remotely online. I have never been invited to a friends house to read a book.

Either way, if you chose to spend your time reading you’ll still end up spending the same amount of time as someone playing a game. I’d argue that with gaming you at least get to apply your cognitive skills and/or interact with friends, making it a better use of your time. But if you just want to chill out and be alone with your imagination a book is probably the better choice, and that’s fine.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

I cant stand people who get snobby about the fact they pass the time by reading. Stfu dork. I oughta give you a swirly.

I'm not even saying that I am some huge book reader genius.
This isn't about me. This is just my honest opinion on video games.

Personally I think TV and movies even worse than games, especially since 2014, because they are most often just an attempt to program you with an idea as you sit their passively absorbing it.

I don't consume much of either, so its hard for me to say. Movies definitely suck lately and I agree they are brainwashing. My main point is just that the nature of video games is taking our screen addiction/retardation issues to the next level, especially as tech continues to improve and eventually they will figure out VR and this will be the drug den of the future:


I'm glad to hear that there are some games out there that people find enriching though, but I think that's just the cherry on top of a diarrhea sundae, and that cherry itself is perhaps inevitably tainted just by the nature of the medium.

As an olive branch, I will say that perhaps books are also somewhat tainted too (though I would say to a much lesser degree.) I think Socrates was a fan of this argument.

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(Probably) one of the best chess players of all time retired young because he thought it was a childish waste of time.

Bobby Fischer wasn't a big fan of chess later in life either. He said at the highest level it stops being creative/fun and just about memorizing.

 

[The Last Stand]

Who suggested Deus Ex? I have Human Revolution in my backlog.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

what are your experiences with video games? Have you played any?

I grew up playing mostly popular console/PC games. Also had an educational computer game as a kid that I recall enjoying. Played from maybe 5 years old (NES) to 25 (PS3?). I liked shooter games, Resident Evil, Mario, etc. Rollercoaster Tycoon, Red Alert 2...

There are plenty of puzzle games that challenge your problem solving skills, platform games that challenge your reaction speed,

I recall playing some games like this on my phone a long time ago. These games maybe aren't necessarily bad, but they pull you into the screenworld and all the sickness that comes with it. They get you to install GamerApp or w/e and then you see other games that are appealing for other reasons. I'm sure some people get addicted to books, but its just not comparable to video games. A book isn't watching what you do and trying to manipulate you into buying other books.

Video games seem to be mostly a thing of convenience. You can carry the pong game in your pocket instead of needing a tennis court. Well there goes the tennis court, and now its replaced by faggot ass pickleball because the kids stayed inside playing pong. This seeking the easier option is understandable. I'm not judging gamers. I just question if we can do better and where this digital life is taking us (and obviously you can easily wonder the same about chatting online, which I do a lot and which helps us replace real life connections, and soon we will probably just be talking to AI bots half the time.)

 

[Starefag]

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My main point is just that the nature of video games is taking our screen addiction/retardation issues to the next level,

Saying videogames are bad because people get addicted to screens is like saying modern medicine is bad due to the fentanyl crisis

 

[TheArtilleryman]

I'm not even saying that I am some huge book reader genius.
This isn't about me. This is just my honest opinion on video games.

I don't consume much of either, so its hard for me to say. Movies definitely suck lately and I agree they are brainwashing. My main point is just that the nature of video games is taking our screen addiction/retardation issues to the next level, especially as tech continues to improve and eventually they will figure out VR and this will be the drug den of the future:
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I'm glad to hear that there are some games out there that people find enriching though, but I think that's just the cherry on top of a diarrhea sundae, and that cherry itself is perhaps inevitably tainted just by the nature of the medium.

As an olive branch, I will say that perhaps books are also somewhat tainted too (though I would say to a much lesser degree.) I think Socrates was a fan of this argument.

I've thought more about what might be the real differences here and I'm assuming right now that you spent much of your childhood reading and your parents encouraged it? So it just became what you do, arguably part of your nature. I'll admit I spent much of mine in front of a home videogame console with no supervision when I was ridiculously too young for that to be okay. Videogames are just a natural part of my life for that reason. Sometimes they are just a passtime, sometimes I'm also learning things, sometimes I'm enjoying a story that genuinely moves me, I know which games are good for each of these itches and use them accordingly. It's just how I choose to enrich myself having known it since before memories really started coming in. If we didn't have that already dated NES and instead a shelf full of books, I'd probably be more like you. Its all said and done now though, and I haven't become a mindless drone incapable of learning because of it.

I would like my kids to find pleasure in reading to be honest. I read to them and it's one of the few instances where I too enjoy reading, but otherwise it's videogames and music for me.

 

[Me•cha•ni•cal]

They get you to install GamerApp or w/e and then you see other games that are appealing for other reasons. I'm sure some people get addicted to books, but its just not comparable to video games. A book isn't watching what you do and trying to manipulate you into buying other books.

I have never been prompted to install a mobile game because it’s been advertised to me. Most mobile games are slop and are made to get players to spend as much money as possible on whatever currency you need in-game.

Video games seem to be mostly a thing of convenience. You can carry the pong game in your pocket instead of needing a tennis court. Well there goes the tennis court, and now its replaced by faggot ass pickleball because the kids stayed inside playing pong.

There are experiences in gaming that can’t be replicated in real life though. Gamers aren’t casting spells in Hogwarts legacy because it’s more convenient than practicing wizardry.

This seeking the easier option is understandable. I'm not judging gamers. I just question if we can do better and where this digital life is taking us (and obviously you can easily wonder the same about chatting online, which I do a lot and which helps us replace real life connections, and soon we will probably just be talking to AI bots half the time.)

Your op sure is colorful for someone non-judgemental.

How will getting people to read instead of gaming improve real life connections? Reading is also solitary pastime, unless you’re one of the perverts attending dragqueen story times.

 

[The Cheese Aisle]

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[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

Saying videogames are bad because people get addicted to screens is like saying modern medicine is bad due to the fentanyl crisis

I give more reasons than that. And modern medicine is bad. Its mostly transhumanists trying to hack our genetics IMO.

Your op sure is colorful for someone non-judgemental.

Well, this is kiwifarms...aren't we supposed to be a bit offensive?

How will getting people to read instead of gaming improve real life connections? Reading is also solitary pastime, unless you’re one of the perverts attending dragqueen story times.

The real life connections part didn't pertain to books necessarily, but there are book clubs and you learn things in books that you can use in conversation with most people. I've never had someone tell me about something they learned from a video game (except on here yesterday.)

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That's how they reel the book readers in...not falling for that shit.

 

[Starefag]

And modern medicine is bad.

So you don't visit doctors then?
Or take ibuprofen.
Or use bandaids?

 

[DavidS877]

So you don't visit doctors then?
Or take ibuprofen.
Or use bandaids?

Leeches are the only medicine anyone needs.

 

[Starefag]

Leeches are the only medicine anyone needs.

Nah this nigger just trepans himself with a sharp bit of flint

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Instructions unclear. Read a Jewish escapism book.

 

[souschef]

Who suggested Deus Ex? I have Human Revolution in my backlog.

Me. Human Revolution is very different from the first game

The first Deus Ex was very heavy on the philosophical themes. The first half or so of the game circles around politics and the UN, the second half gets more metaphysical with transhumanism and nature of self

The later installments of this franchise focus more on gameplay than dialogue, so the experience is very different

 

[The Last Stand]

The later installments of this franchise focus more on gameplay than dialogue, so the experience is very different

Is it still a good game itself? After that, I want to to try Mankind Divided.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

So you don't visit doctors then?
Or take ibuprofen.
Or use bandaids?

I went to a doctor once in the least 10+ years for stitches. Non-chemical intervention I am not so wary of. I would let them put a cast on me or do heart surgery probably. Prevention is wayyyy better than cure though. The goal should be to stay away from them. Yeah maybe 'check ups' will catch something, or maybe they will get you to treat something that you didn't really need to treat (see: overdiagnosis epidemic) and you die from that (see: medical error is 3rd leading cause of death according to infamous John Hopkins study.)
The jabs were an eye opener for me, as someone who already was pretty skeptical of doctors. Now doctors are up there with Jews in terms of my distrust/disgust. I'd be a lot more keen to go to one who lost their license in 2020-2021 for not making people wear masks in their waiting room etc.

 

[The Ugly One]

I went to a doctor once in the least 10+ years for stitches. Non-chemical intervention I am not so wary of. I would let them put a cast on me or do heart surgery probably. Prevention is wayyyy better than cure though. The goal should be to stay away from them. Yeah maybe 'check ups' will catch something, or maybe they will get you to treat something that you didn't really need to treat (see: overdiagnosis epidemic) and you die from that (see: medical error is 3rd leading cause of death according to infamous John Hopkins study.)
The jabs were an eye opener for me, as someone who already was pretty skeptical of doctors. Now doctors are up there with Jews in terms of my distrust/disgust. I'd be a lot more keen to go to one who lost their license in 2020-2021 for not making people wear masks in their waiting room etc.

My physician was part of an anti-masking group.

 

[Starefag]

The jabs were an eye opener for me, as someone who already was pretty skeptical of doctors. Now doctors are up there with Jews in terms of my distrust/disgust. I'd be a lot more keen to go to one who lost their license in 2020-2021 for not making people wear masks in their waiting room etc.

My brother in christ.
You're a product of modern medicine. The fact that you are able to sit here and shitpost on the farms was because of the lessened effect of infant mortality on human populations.
The Jabs were because of *big pharma*, which is a product of modern medicine, not the whole of it.

This really kinda tells me how you think of media in general, since you seem to ascribe that all media seeks to replace reality in a way. But it doesn't. Stories are things human beings tell eachother since the literal dawn of civilization. And they are interwoven into culture.
A videogame just so happens to allow a form of agency in the storytelling. What do you think is a good idea? What would you, the person we have allowed to make decisions, want from your story? Even ones that don't really have choice serve the purpose of using humanity's innate empathy to literally put yourself into the shoes of the protagonist.

But, like how you've equated big pharma to modern medicine, you equate triple A slop to all videogames.
This would be like if I said books and the entire written medium was just an excuse to forcefeed women rape fantasies.

Is it still a good game itself? After that, I want to to try Mankind Divided.

Human revolution is enjoyable up until the very last act. The ending is a bit of a letdown.
Mankind divided is pretty fun, though a bit more incomplete