Debate @MaryKullis on why video games are a waste of time - Why don't you GAMERS read a BOOK instead of playing into the Jews' escapism!

[Starefag]

Bruh have you even read The Great Gatsby? It destroys Tetris.

>Claims to argue in good faith.
>Does not compare actual videogame narratives to The Great Gatsby.
Do you ever get tired of being retarded?

Btw, address the ludonarrative point. I know it fucking blows your entire argument about imagination out of the water but at least try to pretend to be someone who can make a fucking point.

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

nigger got filtered by the asylum demon

 

[Starefag]

nigger got filtered by the asylum demon

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BRO HE DIDN'T HAVE AN APPROVED ACADEMIC HECKING VALIDARINO SOURCE TELLING HIM IT'S A MASTERPIECE
HE HAD TO
GASP
INTERPERATE MEDIA FOR HIMSELF INSTEAD OF LICKING THE GUNT OF ACADEMIA

i don't read a ton of books with mass appeal...mostly non-fiction stuff..

why are you commenting on narrative and imagination when all of this is just fucking encyclopedias and autobiographies

Also like half those fucking books are literal "Old man yells at cloud" type shit.
Do not bring Ted K into this, the unabomber is smarter than your retarded ass could ever be. You're at best a fucking psued who thinks that just because something is on a screen it's fucking bad. Does a fucking kindle make you shit your pants?

The point of Ted K's work is that technology can subjugate humanity. Humans do not control the system we live in because the system exists to keep itself going. It wasn't that technology itself was the fucking Devil. It was technology is one arm of the system that winds itself. The fact that you're conflating this with fucking VIDEOGAMES and not mass surveillance, rubberstamp obsessed bullshit. Or anything else Orwellian and are wasting your precious few braincells NOT affected by what seems to be Boomer Lead Poisoning, is another pointer that you don't actually read for enjoyment.

You read because you were told it's what smart people do. Gimme some of your fiction takes buddy. You can learn a lot from fiction too, it's like, the thing we were talking about in the first place. Surely you have some narratives that speak to what you call a soul?
WHY THE FUCK IS A BOOK ON YEAST IN YOUR RECCOMENDED READING LIST FOR "PROFOUND BOOKS THAT MAKE YOU LEARN SOMETHING?"
WE ARE DISCUSSING NARRATIVE AND STORIES.

 

[Anal Tomato]

sandor katz - wild fermentation

I fucking kneel, this unfrozen preserved neanderthalic missing fucking link put a book about "YEAST AND FERMENTATION THROUGHOUT THE AGES" in his "big boy book" list. holy shit, the discussion is about narratives and stories, and you put a yeast book in your reading list. You actually have yeast on that fermented soy-bean you call a brain. Fuck you. I hope your yeast dies and your sourdough never ferments properly.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I fucking kneel, this unfrozen preserved neanderthalic missing fucking link put a book about "YEAST AND FERMENTATION THROUGHOUT THE AGES" in his "big boy book" list. holy shit, the discussion is about narratives and stories, and you put a yeast book in your reading list. You actually have yeast on that fermented soy-bean you call a brain. Fuck you. I hope your yeast dies and your sourdough never ferments properly.

Don't bring the yeast into this. The little guys are just harmlessly living their yeast life. #yeastlivesmatter

 

[Male Idiot]

Entertainment and storytelling is inherently wasted time.

It isn't. It was used before writing to confer wisdom and skills before writing was invented, which became useful for a lot of things that now computers are taking over.

Just as oven simulator teaches me how you can't bake 6 million cookies....

Oh, never mind.

I fucking kneel, this unfrozen preserved neanderthalic missing fucking link put a book about "YEAST AND FERMENTATION THROUGHOUT THE AGES" in his "big boy book" list. holy shit, the discussion is about narratives and stories, and you put a yeast book in your reading list. You actually have yeast on that fermented soy-bean you call a brain. Fuck you. I hope your yeast dies and your sourdough never ferments properly.

The missing link is also reading unfiltered lolbertbabble only.

Not a single Mein Kampf on that reading list. Shameful.

He will never know about the small facts like logistics that HoI4 informed me about... oh well, he thinks sending snot flying instead of into a mask is tyranny.

Truly a Tartarian 6000 years old philosopher.

 

[Starefag]

It isn't. It was used before writing to confer wisdom and skills before writing was invented, which became useful for a lot of things that now computers are taking over.

Fair enough. I was coming at that from more of an "not the optimal use of time' sort of mindset
But really all etertainment has a purpose. Human beings crave stimulation outside basic drudgery. Otherwise you end up like OP. And are unable to comprehend narrative and imagination unless the establishment feeds it to him

 

[Won Jane]

How are you learning anything real from your gay ass fermentation book, does it even have a Super Mario saving a princess in it?
Anyway real world beer don't come from books, it comes from DoorDash that you order while you're gaming.

• Isolation and "Home Alone" Culture: In interviews, Postman expressed concern about technology turning individuals into people who live "home alone," using screens to replace face-to-face interaction. He would view online, multiplayer gaming not as true "social" interaction, but as a fragmented form of community that lacks real-world responsibility.
• Technology is Not Neutral: Postman believed that "in every tool that we create, an idea is embedded that goes beyond the function of the thing itself". He would argue that the "idea" embedded in video games is that life is a series of problems that can be solved with a quick, entertaining, and digital "trick" or "hack," rather than deep effort or wisdom.
• "Surrender of Culture to Technology": He would likely argue that in our rush to embrace advanced gaming technology, we have once again surrendered to technology, shaping our lives to fit the requirements of the machine rather than the requirements of culture.

"Surrogate activities" that Ted K wrote about seems like surrender of culture to technology. People just accept that they have very little power to move their IRL RPG character around in an interesting way, and so they settle for sitting in a chair simulating some kind of play, then looking forward to the next simulation.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

How are you learning anything real from your gay ass fermentation book, does it even have a Super Mario saving a princess in it?
Anyway real world beer don't come from books, it comes from DoorDash that you order while you're gaming.

I learned how to use all my gaming pee bottles to speed up fermentation. I knew there was some reason god was telling me to pee in bottles, and it wasn't just so I could play video games nonstop.

"Surrogate activities" that Ted K wrote about seems like surrender of culture to technology. People just accept that they have very little power to move their IRL RPG character around in an interesting way, and so they settle for sitting in a chair simulating some kind of play, then looking forward to the next simulation.

Nothing wrong with that! Its just entertainment!

 

[Starefag]

>Gets his shit rocked
>Unable to talk about narrative
>Gets asspats from someone who agrees with him and instantly pipes up
Hey faggot talk about narratives you like.

 

[Anal Tomato]

The missing link is also reading unfiltered lolbertbabble only.

Many such cases!

He will never know about the small facts like logistics that HoI4 informed me about... oh well, he thinks sending snot flying instead of into a mask is tyranny.

HoI4 is a funny example, but it reminds me, that you can actually learn useful skills from vidya, for example, factorio taught me that nature is a lie, and should be expunged as fast as physically possible, and SWAT 4 taught me that niggers are never to be trusted. These are useful life skills. Not that our antediluvian homo habilis example would know. He got filtered by asylum demon after all.

Spoiler: In all seriousness

There are genuine life skills you can learn from games outside of me joking about it, games like Long Dark or Urge (hehe funny piss game) teach you actively about resource management, and thinking ahead, stuff like Dark Souls or other such soulslikes, even EFT to a degree, teach you that panic is a good way to die extremely quickly and extremely fast, and generally beat the concept of "staying fucking calm under pressure" into you very thoroughly. And for my final example, Factorio yet again, it does actively teach you about calculating throughputs, estimating bottlenecks, etc. These are genuine life skills that you can use and apply.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I remember before I quit playing video games about 15-20 years ago, they were already so good that I would turn on Call of Duty and think I am going to play for a few minutes and then before I knew it, 8 hours had gone by. Its like what I imagine a crack binge must be like.

OP, this is going to sound mean but I don't mean it in that way. I think you're just susceptible to this style of thinking and they're bad for your mental being, in particular. There's several others who find them addictive and are bad for them in that respect. There's several people out there who find themselves addicted to games who don't do anything productive when they have them. Getting rid of them for you was a great idea, and you're better for it. Other addicts would do good doing the same.


The problem is, you're making them sound worse than they are and look down on others for engaging in it. There's plenty of people who spend 1 to 3 hours on video games a week, some who only play games on weekends, etc. who manage their "unproductive" time doing something relaxing by themselves or with friends. You're devaluing a hobby not because it is inherently bad, but because it is bad for you.

 

[The Last Stand]

How did we go from talking about games to Jews?

You're calling shit that happened centuries ago "modern medicine".

You were the one who wanted to get pedantic about 'modern medicine', faggot.

Ignoring the rest of the shit you said because you're clearly an idiot gamer faggot.

I don't get it.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

OP, this is going to sound mean but I don't mean it in that way. I think you're just susceptible to this style of thinking and they're bad for your mental being, in particular. There's several others who find them addictive and are bad for them in that respect. There's several people out there who find themselves addicted to games who don't do anything productive when they have them. Getting rid of them for you was a great idea, and you're better for it. Other addicts would do good doing the same.


The problem is, you're making them sound worse than they are and look down on others for engaging in it. There's plenty of people who spend 1 to 3 hours on video games a week, some who only play games on weekends, etc. who manage their "unproductive" time doing something relaxing by themselves or with friends. You're devaluing a hobby not because it is inherently bad, but because it is bad for you.

I don't deny that that I have a personal bias against them, but I also did my best to explain why I think they are inherently bad. Sadly, the AI slop about Neil Postman probably did a better job explaining the issue than I could.
I was reading on reddit about how much people play video games the other day and a lot of people were saying that they only play 1 hour a day now due to having to work/raise kids, but during their youth they played 8 hours a day + and regret throwing away their youth. I certainly had many days like that as a kid, where we could have been out having some magical childhood adventure instead of drooling in front of a TV.
I wonder how many people on here, who say they aren't addicted, can say they never had times in their lives or never will have a time in their life where video games creep in and fill the void? Its a little easier to have control in middle age I think. And then continence will again start to go back down to child-levels...and then back to playing video games all day? Especially since no one wants to hear your elder wisdom when they have AI's super-intelligence.
No country for old men...'Get into VR world and pretend you are back in the good ol days if they were so great, old timer!'

 

[The Last Stand]

I was reading on reddit about how much people play video games the other day and a lot of people were saying that they only play 1 hour a day now due to having to work/raise kids, but during their youth they played 8 hours a day + and regret throwing away their youth. I certainly had many days like that as a kid, where we could have been out having some magical childhood adventure instead of drooling in front of a TV.

Yeah, because A) responsibilities, B) games now want TOO much of your time and C) having hindsight with being an adult which ties into A.

I wonder how many people on here, who say they aren't addicted, can say they never had times in their lives or never will have a time in their life where video games creep in and fill the void?

Traveling, seeing friends, getting something done in your personal life.

 

[Won Jane]

>Gets his shit rocked
>Unable to talk about narrative
>Gets asspats from someone who agrees with him and instantly pipes up
Hey faggot talk about narratives you like.

About narratives, is your point that as you play a game, you can also tell yourself a little story about events that happen, just as when you read a book the author presents you with a story, so the player is like an author?
Maybe you had some specific games in mind that have very clever stories.

 

[Starefag]

About narratives, is your point that as you play a game, you can also tell yourself a little story about events that happen, just as when you read a book the author presents you with a story, so the player is like an author?

Yes, the term is "ludonarrative" where the player creates a narrative in the events that mechanics provide.
Xcom is an example, with the various dicerolls and failures allowing you to grow attached to what's basically a miniature wargame. And you grow invested in your little army men killing aliens.
You can have a normal narrative AND a ludonarrative, and if they don't match, it's called "Ludonarrative dissonance'. A term coined by the bioshock series, who's first series was about the sacrifices of a Ayn-Rand will-to-power. But, the optimal way to play the game is to walk around being nice in every moral quandry. Thus, kinda kneecapping the critique of Randian politics.

Unfortunately.

Especially since no one wants to hear your elder wisdom when they have AI's super-intelligence.

You don't have elder wisdom. You have academia forcefed to you. And then vomit it back up onto a fucking webpost that disgraces my eyes.
Give me some actual narrative books you like, genuinely. And Tell me what you've learned from it.
Because we were talking about fictional narratives, and what they try to teach.

LOTR, teaches you with Saruman, at least from Tolkien's point of view. That you cannot defeat evil with it's own methods. As it's a compromise that will inevitably corrupt your morals into nothing.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

Xcom is an example, with the various dicerolls and failures allowing you to grow attached to what's basically a miniature wargame.

The one thing that Xcom taught me is to always be a pessimist when it comes to chance, you don't have a 99% chance to hit your shot, you have a 1% chance to miss it and by God your soldiers will miss that shot at the worst possible times but the enemy sure as hell won't.

 

[Coldgrip]

OP is gay.

 

[Tread Miller]

Well, this is kiwifarms...aren't we supposed to be a bit offensive?

Just because you can't doesn't mean you have to. Funnily enough this is where the saying "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" somewhat applies (as lame as that staement is), you can be as brusque as you want here and you (probably) won't get banned for rustling jimmies, but you're probably not going to be popular

Sorry for the AI slop, but it seems pretty on point to me.

Person who uses technology to win an argument making fun of people who use technology to relax