Debate @MaryKullis on why video games are a waste of time - Why don't you GAMERS read a BOOK instead of playing into the Jews' escapism!

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

My unpopular opinion: video games are one of the worst and gayest forms of recreation. You get almost nothing good out of them and they are very addictive.
Its not "art" you are enjoying, its living in a fantasy world that is designed to give you little hits of dopamine by playing make believe like a hollywood faggot.. At least drug users can do their drugs and go do something productive.

 

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

Its not "art" you are enjoying, its living in a fantasy world that is designed to give you little hits of dopamine by playing make believe like a hollywood faggot.. At least drug users can do their drugs and go do something productive.

Thats literally every form of media, unless you're doing something in VR or going to an "art" museum its gonna be sitting down and not doing anything productive. Also is this an actual unpopular opinion? I'd say this is a really popular opinion for normal people to have, but I guess its more productive to be posting retarded opinions like this on Kiwi Farms than enjoying some game while you have downtime from actually being productive.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

Thats literally every form of media, unless you're doing something in VR or going to an "art" museum its gonna be sitting down and not doing anything productive. Also is this an actual unpopular opinion? I'd say this is a really popular opinion for normal people to have, but I guess its more productive to be posting retarded opinions like this on Kiwi Farms than enjoying some game while you have downtime from actually being productive.

A good movie is way better than a video game (though there aren't many good movies IMO.) They are at least an attempt at telling a story that speaks to the human experience. You could say video games do that too, but a movie is 90 minutes, not 90 hours/weeks/months. A movie lets you engage with your thoughts/feelings, rather than focusing on trying to avoid monster ray blasts or whatever shit. Etc etc.
Yes it is more productive to read, think about and discuss Real social issues than it is to engulf yourself in 100% False reality.

 

[Swine Schwein]

A movie lets you engage with your thoughts/feelings, rather than focusing on trying to avoid monster ray blasts or whatever shit

I'm imagining Taxi Driver with a shitty paragon/renegade meter, combos and xp bonuses

 

[big pauper]

A good movie is way better than a video game (though there aren't many good movies IMO.) They are at least an attempt at telling a story that speaks to the human experience. You could say video games do that too, but a movie is 90 minutes, not 90 hours/weeks/months. A movie lets you engage with your thoughts/feelings, rather than focusing on trying to avoid monster ray blasts or whatever shit. Etc etc.
Yes it is more productive to read, think about and discuss Real social issues than it is to engulf yourself in 100% False reality.

There are many games that attempt to speak to the human experience and succeed. Even excepting visual novels like Phoenix Wright which are basically just comic books with minigames - Silent Hill, Shadow of the Colossus, you basically gotta be retarded to say video games don't do that stuff

It's a completely different medium. It's interactive. And unlike movies, you actually don't get any indicator of the quality of the game based on the visual quality. They're actually completely unrelated! Cruelty squad is literally badly designed visually on purpose in service of it's immersive sim elements, which were lauded as narratively boundary pushing. The narrative experience of playing cruelty squad cannot be replicated by just telling someone the story. You cannot replicate the emotions and storytelling techniques used in Metal Gear Solid 2 in a film.

Now that isn't to say most games aren't just pulp fiction slop for the masses that are a thin veneer to just hook them on the gambling dopamine loop because that's what nearly all video games are. It's gambling. Diablo is just gambling. It's fun but if you don't admit that's what it is you get loot boxes for cosmetics in your shooter games and that's where we're at now

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

There are many games that attempt to speak to the human experience and succeed. Even excepting visual novels like Phoenix Wright which are basically just comic books with minigames - Silent Hill, Shadow of the Colossus, you basically gotta be retarded to say video games don't do that stuff

It's a completely different medium. It's interactive. And unlike movies, you actually don't get any indicator of the quality of the game based on the visual quality. They're actually completely unrelated! Cruelty squad is literally badly designed visually on purpose in service of it's immersive sim elements, which were lauded as narratively boundary pushing. The narrative experience of playing cruelty squad cannot be replicated by just telling someone the story. You cannot replicate the emotions and storytelling techniques used in Metal Gear Solid 2 in a film.

Now that isn't to say most games aren't just pulp fiction slop for the masses that are a thin veneer to just hook them on the gambling dopamine loop because that's what nearly all video games are. It's gambling. Diablo is just gambling. It's fun but if you don't admit that's what it is you get loot boxes for cosmetics in your shooter games and that's where we're at now

I didn't say that video games aren't artistic at all, but its a little art and 90 hours of 'where do i find the magic potion' etc.
And lets say that video games are superior in some ways to other forms of storytelling - how much better are they vs. how many more hours do you spend on them?
I've seen plenty of people watching movies and playing video games in my life and games are in another league in terms of their ability to addict people and suck them into a fantasy world. It can happen with tv/movies too (especially with older people) but I just don't see it as in the same league as video games. I remember before I quit playing video games about 15-20 years ago, they were already so good that I would turn on Call of Duty and think I am going to play for a few minutes and then before I knew it, 8 hours had gone by. Its like what I imagine a crack binge must be like.

 

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

A good movie is way better than a video game (though there aren't many good movies IMO.) They are at least an attempt at telling a story that speaks to the human experience.

First part is subjective, second part is just ignorant.

You could say video games do that too, but a movie is 90 minutes, not 90 hours/weeks/months.

I don't have much experience playing many short games like this, but I'm sure there are games out there that have a decent story and aren't 90 hours/weeks/months long.

A movie lets you engage with your thoughts/feelings, rather than focusing on trying to avoid monster ray blasts or whatever shit. Etc etc.

A video game lets you engage in a world that isn't your own, along with the capability of having your thoughts and feelings being engaged too. The avoiding monsters and ray blasts is an added bonus depending on the game.

Yes it is more productive to read, think about and discuss Real social issues than it is to engulf yourself in 100% False reality.

Every single fiction author is turning over in their grave at this comment. Just to give two popular examples I suppose Tolkien is just an unproductive and ignorant fool for having wrote anything in the Middle Earth universe with it being a 100% false reality and the same for Frank Herbert and his DUNE universe being 100% false why would anyone ever read anything from them or partake in such unproductive activities.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

First part is subjective, second part is just ignorant.

I don't have much experience playing many short games like this, but I'm sure there are games out there that have a decent story and aren't 90 hours/weeks/months long.

A video game lets you engage in a world that isn't your own, along with the capability of having your thoughts and feelings being engaged too. The avoiding monsters and ray blasts is an added bonus depending on the game.

Every single fiction author is turning over in their grave at this comment. Just to give two popular examples I suppose Tolkien is just an unproductive and ignorant fool for having wrote anything in the Middle Earth universe with it being a 100% false reality and the same for Frank Herbert and his DUNE universe being 100% false why would anyone ever read anything from them or partake in such unproductive activities.

Books let you use your imagination. And when you read something interesting, you naturally pause for a while and contemplate it. Do you ever pause your video game to think about some deep revelation it just made to you? Do you ever stop and take notes about things you are learning from video games? Go to video game discussion clubs where people talk about what video games meant to them and how they changed their thinking???
I wonder if those authors would have wrote those books if they grew up in a world where, on average 6-8 hours per day, everyone was interacting with screens that are systematically, increasingly distancing us from reality.

 

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

Books let you use your imagination.

Does your imagination stop existing the minute you have to interact with something visual? If all you had was the knowledge to read, words on a page and solely you and a book existed in a void, how would your imagination work without having experienced anything but the void and the book?

And when you read something interesting and naturally pause for a while and contemplate it. Do you ever pause your video game to think about some deep revelation it just made to you? Do you ever stop and take notes about things you are learning from video games?

No. No. and No. However there have been plenty of times after either getting done with a session or after finishing a game I have contemplated the stories and why and how things happened during them. Again just cause I don't do things exactly the way you do it, or rather exactly the way some people or most people do things. It does not mean that it cannot be artistic, or hold some sort of emotional value worth contemplating during, or after playing them.

I wonder if those authors would have wrote those books if they grew up in a world where, on average 6-8 hours per day, everyone was interacting with screens that are systematically, increasingly distancing us from reality.

Another ignorant ass point cause not everybody plays games for 6-8 hours a day. Apparently the human experience just stops existing because some people play a lot of video games?

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Books let you use your imagination. And when you read something interesting, you naturally pause for a while and contemplate it. Do you ever pause your video game to think about some deep revelation it just made to you? Do you ever stop and take notes about things you are learning from video games? Go to video game discussion clubs where people talk about what video games meant to them and how they changed their thinking???

To all of your questions: Yes. Unironically.
You're comparing the apex book readers (not just in terms of how they read but also what they read!) to the average gamer, when there are also apex video game players.
The average book is superfluous drivel and the average book reader barely qualifies as a human being

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

To all of your questions: Yes. Unironically.
You're comparing the apex book readers (not just in terms of how they read but also what they read!) to the average gamer, when there are also apex video game players.
The average book is superfluous drivel and the average book reader barely qualifies as a human being

I'm talking about the nature of books vs. the nature of video games.
Curious to hear some of the kinds of insights you've gleaned from video games. While I am reading historical books for entertainment and learning about how the world really works, what are you learning from your games? If you spent 10,000 hours playing video games, what do you think your expertise would be in? What would you be knowledgable about?

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

I'm talking about the nature of books vs. the nature of video games.
Curious to hear some of the kinds of insights you've gleaned from video games.

Books are about as general of a medium as you can get
There's books for entertainment, there's books for education, there's books for interactive coloring, there's even hollowed-out books as a makeshift covert object storage
There is a large amount of educational books, since books have been used for transmitting ideas and knowledge for literally over 2000 years
Video games, however, as an entire medium aren't even 100 years old, so the solution space of video games for the purpose of education, teaching, and general knowledge communication is far less explored and mature than it is in books
The way I see it, your comments were pertaining to stories in books, but if you wanna equivocate between "educational books" and "video games", yeah no, that's such a disingenuous comparison I'm not gonna bother

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm talking about the nature of books vs. the nature of video games.
Curious to hear some of the kinds of insights you've gleaned from video games. While I am reading historical books for entertainment and learning about how the world really works, what are you learning from your games? If you spent 10,000 hours playing video games, what do you think your expertise would be in? What would you be knowledgable about?

Video games are not on the same level as books. People usually play video games for escapism or competition given the medium's unique opportunities for interactivity.

I could watch four hours of Batman movies, does that make me Batman?

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

There's one thing I forgot to mention, adding to my point of how absolutely general "books" is compared to "video games"
Video games are a subset of interactive visual electronic media
That is, there is a lot of interactive primarily visual software, on screen, for an individual human operator to interface with using a keyboard or other controller, being used by professionals, yet because they aren't games, they can't be called "video games", rather they're simulators or other research software
Just adding to how absolutely disingenuous the comparison is

And even with that ridiculous constraint, games like Kerbal Space Program are educational for spaceflight mechanics, to the point many industry veterans, students, and teachers have confirmed it's a useful teaching tool, and racing games like Richard Burns Rally and Assetto Corsa are useful for professional-level motorsports training. Formula 1 driver Valtteri Bottas was a sim racer, and F1 multiple times world champion Max Verstappen not only regularly participates in esports events but has his own esports racing team

 

[StacticShock]

One of the only good things about the Wii U was free online multiplayer.

you mean nintendo paid your internet? zamn good shit then.
other than that just get a pc?

Every single fiction author is turning over in their grave at this comment. Just to give two popular examples I suppose Tolkien is just an unproductive and ignorant fool for having wrote anything in the Middle Earth universe with it being a 100% false reality and the same for Frank Herbert and his DUNE universe being 100% false why would anyone ever read anything from them or partake in such unproductive activities.

FUCK YOU SHADOW OF WAR IS A GOOD GAME.
the rest is right though, every time i see a nigger saying video games is gay and retarded it's always a bookfaggot or movie snob or a classic music faggot, every fucking time.

I'm talking about the nature of books vs. the nature of video games.
Curious to hear some of the kinds of insights you've gleaned from video games. While I am reading historical books for entertainment and learning about how the world really works, what are you learning from your games? If you spent 10,000 hours playing video games, what do you think your expertise would be in? What would you be knowledgable about?

well, someone hasn't played poly bridge...

That is, there is so much interactive simulation software that is used by professionals and researchers, yet because they aren't games, they can't be called "video games"
Just adding to how absolutely disingenuous the comparison is

it's not a disingenuous comparison, it just shows games are on a whole 'nother level compared to classical entertainment venues, which why it's superior to all of them and for some reason people fucking seethe at it, the level of interactivity that games provide is fucking insane and only the most uppity faggot refuses to see, either due to personal things or stunted intellect, doesn't matter because it's a retard.

 

[TheVoodooThatJewDo]

Books are about as general of a medium as you can get
There's books for entertainment, there's books for education, there's books for interactive coloring, there's even hollowed-out books as a makeshift covert object storage
There is a large amount of educational books, since books have been used for transmitting ideas and knowledge for literally over 2000 years
Video games, however, as an entire medium aren't even 100 years old, so the solution space of video games for the purpose of education, teaching, and general knowledge communication is far less explored and mature than it is in books
The way I see it, your comments were pertaining to stories in books, but if you wanna equivocate between "educational books" and "video games", yeah no, that's such a disingenuous comparison I'm not gonna bother

We don't have to necessarily compare educational books to video games, but that is kind of a fair comparison as they are both potential entertainment - yet one can actually teach you a lot. Also, I remember playing educational video games in the mid 90s. They have had plenty of time to develop that if they want, but that's not the purpose of video games.
I think I need to go back and skim through Amusing Ourselves to Death for this discussion. I'm sure it has a lot of relevance here. Or maybe I should go play mario kart.

 

[The Last Stand]

My unpopular opinion: video games are one of the worst and gayest forms of recreation. You get almost nothing good out of them and they are very addictive.
Its not "art" you are enjoying, its living in a fantasy world that is designed to give you little hits of dopamine by playing make believe like a hollywood faggot.. At least drug users can do their drugs and go do something productive.

Thats literally every form of media, unless you're doing something in VR or going to an "art" museum its gonna be sitting down and not doing anything productive. Also is this an actual unpopular opinion? I'd say this is a really popular opinion for normal people to have, but I guess its more productive to be posting retarded opinions like this on Kiwi Farms than enjoying some game while you have downtime from actually being productive.

A good movie is way better than a video game (though there aren't many good movies IMO.) They are at least an attempt at telling a story that speaks to the human experience. You could say video games do that too, but a movie is 90 minutes, not 90 hours/weeks/months. A movie lets you engage with your thoughts/feelings, rather than focusing on trying to avoid monster ray blasts or whatever shit. Etc etc.
Yes it is more productive to read, think about and discuss Real social issues than it is to engulf yourself in 100% False reality.

I didn't say that video games aren't artistic at all, but its a little art and 90 hours of 'where do i find the magic potion' etc.
And lets say that video games are superior in some ways to other forms of storytelling - how much better are they vs. how many more hours do you spend on them?

Books let you use your imagination. And when you read something interesting, you naturally pause for a while and contemplate it. Do you ever pause your video game to think about some deep revelation it just made to you? Do you ever stop and take notes about things you are learning from video games? Go to video game discussion clubs where people talk about what video games meant to them and how they changed their thinking???
I wonder if those authors would have wrote those books if they grew up in a world where, on average 6-8 hours per day, everyone was interacting with screens that are systematically, increasingly distancing us from reality.

Books are about as general of a medium as you can get
There's books for entertainment, there's books for education, there's books for interactive coloring, there's even hollowed-out books as a makeshift covert object storage
There is a large amount of educational books, since books have been used for transmitting ideas and knowledge for literally over 2000 years
Video games, however, as an entire medium aren't even 100 years old, so the solution space of video games for the purpose of education, teaching, and general knowledge communication is far less explored and mature than it is in books
The way I see it, your comments were pertaining to stories in books, but if you wanna equivocate between "educational books" and "video games", yeah no, that's such a disingenuous comparison I'm not gonna bother

Video games are not on the same level as books. People usually play video games for escapism or competition given the medium's unique opportunities for interactivity.

I could watch four hours of Batman movies, does that make me Batman?

This went on for the entirety of today.

 

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

Tolkien was a lowercase j jewish agent sent to infect book reader's minds with escapism!

 

[The Last Stand]

Tolkien was a lowercase j jewish agent sent to infect book reader's minds with escapism!

He convinced me to sell my games to get into literature!

 

[Breadbassket]

I find it interesting that their fine with spending time interacting with movies and books for entertainment but video games in particular are where they draw the line.