Warhammer 40k

[Rick The Stick]

Good on Owl Cat for listening, but what the fuck.
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They tried something they openly acknowledged is clumsy and that many people don't like, just to walk it back immediately? What was even the point, to get lazy browny points for "listening"?

Nobody wants a truly grimdark tabletop campaign or to read a grimdark book - they would descend into misery and torture porn and get really dreary and boring.

I think this is why so many people don't like shit like the Grey Knights bloodbath or the Daemonculaba. Or a lot of the earlier novels for that matter. So many of the attempts to actually get grimdark and gritty seem to just devolve into shit. It never really serves a point other than to be gross or "shocking", which is why The Implication™ is usually better. Imo.

 

[Max Weber]

They tried something they openly acknowledged is clumsy and that many people don't like, just to walk it back immediately? What was even the point, to get lazy browny points for "listening"?

I feel like the only reason they actually walked it back is they completely fucked it up:

So Owlcat in their infinite wisdom decided that what the world needs is another fucking publisher-specific launcher.
The announcement stats should tell you how it went.
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Not only was the idea not received well by itself, apparently they had an Owlcat moment and the launcher was buggy.
- Games wouldn't start from the launcher.
- Owners of DH beta would be sent there instead of RT.
- "Disabling" the launcher only hides the window and starts the process in the background.
- Rolling back the version broke launching the game even directly.
- The launcher obviously introduced extra friction on Linux (for a Steam Deck verified title, mind you).

And so, 19 hours later, they reverted it.

Steam forums are on fire. (more than those usually are)
Reddit is on fire.
Discord is on fire.

Got a small wave of negative reviews.
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What a way to shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[dame dudi jench]

I think this is why so many people don't like shit like the Grey Knights bloodbath or the Daemonculaba. Or a lot of the earlier novels for that matter. So many of the attempts to actually get grimdark and gritty seem to just devolve into shit. It never really serves a point other than to be gross or "shocking", which is why The Implication™ is usually better. Imo.

Umberto Eco has a really good essay on this in his collection Six Walks in the Fictional Woods - he talks about how literature and film you pretty much never recount someone's experience 1:1 in real time, you almost always skip around in time and memory. The exception is porn/erotica. Same is true of whorehammer - talking about it at a high level in a sourcebook, say like a little field report of some horrific discovery put into an army book, lets the readers imagination do the work, the 1:1 daemonculaba-type stuff is literal gore porn, the person writing it was getting off and anyone who enjoys it is getting off at experiencing women suffering in close to real time. Similar split in horror where gorehounds and eli roth fans are invariably subhuman genetic detritus

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

The red blooded pro imperium neckbeard yearns for the tomboy sorioritas GF that will burn you alive the moment you do a minor heresy like showing up late to work
People forget that the Sorioritas' nerd and diplomat division probably hides the true qt3.14s. The nurses are a bit dangerous because they probably know how to torture you and the diplomats that know Eldar probably do too but still.

 

[dame dudi jench]

The red blooded pro imperium neckbeard yearns for the tomboy sorioritas GF that will burn you alive the moment you do a minor heresy like showing up late to work
People forget that the Sorioritas' nerd and diplomat division probably hides the true qt3.14s. The nurses are a bit dangerous because they probably know how to torture you and the diplomats that know Eldar probably do too but still.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are only mousey 4chan BPD brunettes

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I feel like the only reason they actually walked it back is they completely fucked it up:

So, what was the publisher specific launcher for then? Are they hoping to sell DLC outside of the Steam ecosystem? Advertise other Owlcat games? Some sort of live service game coming? I don't get it.

 

[Professor Donger]

So, what was the publisher specific launcher for then? Are they hoping to sell DLC outside of the Steam ecosystem? Advertise other Owlcat games? Some sort of live service game coming? I don't get it.

It was similar to launchers for other games, like Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate 3 etc. basically exists so the devs can move news and updates off steam and bloat the hardware more.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I think this is why so many people don't like shit like the Grey Knights bloodbath or the Daemonculaba. Or a lot of the earlier novels for that matter. So many of the attempts to actually get grimdark and gritty seem to just devolve into shit. It never really serves a point other than to be gross or "shocking", which is why The Implication™ is usually better. Imo.

What faggot doesn't like the Daemonculaba? It's a meme, but a part of one of the best books in black library history, and sticks with the reader for how horrific it is. The Grey Knights bloodbath was just Ward stupidity and not even that edgy.

 

[bort420]

What faggot doesn't like the Daemonculaba? It's a meme, but a part of one of the best books in black library history, and sticks with the reader for how horrific it is. The Grey Knights bloodbath was just Ward stupidity and not even that edgy.

The daemonculaba is just an axolotl tank knockoff, it's not even that bad

 

[creaturestorm]

Nobody wants a truly grimdark tabletop campaign or to read a grimdark book

Many years ago I had heard of a WW1 game that was basically fantasy football league, but really your just watching your beloved soldiers slowly die to the battle field injuries.

Sounded interesting enough, but no one wanted to play it with me.

 

[unholysedation777]

I'm new to Warhammer and while I was never much of a TTRPG guy I've always loved reading and the whole grimdark style worldbuilding has been quite intriguing to me, however there are so many books and I'm unsure where to really start. What would any of you recommend to a total beginner?

 

[p1138]

I'm new to Warhammer and while I was never much of a TTRPG guy I've always loved reading and the whole grimdark style worldbuilding has been quite intriguing to me, however there are so many books and I'm unsure where to really start. What would any of you recommend to a total beginner?

Is there anything in particular you've seen already that seems interesting? Or just want books in general?

As far as a starting point, the first 4 Horus Heresy books are decent for that, but if you already know the gist of it and aren't concerned with the historic details, there's plenty of other places to start. Space Marines? Orks? Humans in general? Chaos? It's kind of better to just pick a topic that seems interesting and just dive into it from that.

 

[Bonesjones]

Many years ago I had heard of a WW1 game that was basically fantasy football league, but really your just watching your beloved soldiers slowly die to the battle field injuries.

Sounded interesting enough, but no one wanted to play it with me.

That's pretty much the Warhammer Fantasy TTRPG, with prestigious classes like rat catcher. The only people who would want to be adventurers have something to run from or nothing to lose.

 

[creaturestorm]

I'm new to Warhammer and while I was never much of a TTRPG guy I've always loved reading and the whole grimdark style worldbuilding has been quite intriguing to me, however there are so many books and I'm unsure where to really start. What would any of you recommend to a total beginner?

Honestly the Army Codexs, doesnt really matter the edition. Pick a faction your interested in and read all the lore the book has to offer, it will paint a pretty good picture of what that faction has been up to all this time in the 41st millenium.

If you spot something particularly interesting, chances are there is a black library novel that covers it in it's entirety.

That's pretty much the Warhammer Fantasy TTRPG, with prestigious classes like rat catcher. The only people who would want to be adventurers have something to run from or nothing to lose.

First game of Fantasy we ever played our rat catcher removed the top 1/3rd of some random pick pocket's skull with a rock thrown from a sling. It was our first roll of the game, we immediately came to understand what sort of game we were playing.

 

[God of Nothing]

I watched one of the Warhammer plus shows and one of the main Cadian chicks (mind you she's voidborn since she didn't have the purple eyes) was super black. It's something I've noticed a lot with newer books and animations for Warhammer, just like how we've gotten more and more women Commissars and officers

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next, you'll show me black space wolves
because on a planet that's basically frozen ragnarok, the melinated would exist to block out what little UV radiation is left

They tried something they openly acknowledged is clumsy and that many people don't like, just to walk it back immediately? What was even the point, to get lazy browny points for "listening"?

Owlcat isn't perfect. Three dlcs and all the new companions are humans in a game about being Rogue Trader.

I think this is why so many people don't like shit like the Grey Knights bloodbath or the Daemonculaba. Or a lot of the earlier novels for that matter. So many of the attempts to actually get grimdark and gritty seem to just devolve into shit. It never really serves a point other than to be gross or "shocking", which is why The Implication™ is usually better. Imo.

The Grey Knights thing was just grimtard. Daemonculaba is totally a thing chaos would do. Just not a thing Iron Warriors seem like they'd do.

Implication is a coward's way out. If you're going to have something, have it. Tip-toeing around the truth or what you're going for is for mystery novels. This is a setting where people get turned into drugs to snort and babies get turned into flying robots.

on another note, cherubs are fucking terrifying

 

[Professor Donger]

next, you'll show me black space wolves
because on a planet that's basically frozen ragnarok, the melinated would exist to block out what little UV radiation is left

You'll never believe it, kek

 

[God of Nothing]

You'll never believe it, kek

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godfuckingdammit
why am i always right

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

I will always have a chuckle at how the Celestial Lions were the not-african IF successors and they were one of the chapters that got completely and utterly CIA Niggered by the Inquisition

 

[daniel day]

Implication is a coward's way out.

This nigga jerks it to the daemonculaba

What would any of you recommend to a total beginner?

Unironically? dawn of fire book 1

The series runs the gambit on basically every faction there is so I'd start there then branch out when you see something cool. Its also very modern. Just dont expect plot threads to be followed in certain cases, most of the stories are self contained. Codexes are fine but theyre basically bullet points of what a faction is.

 

[God of Nothing]

This nigga jerks it to the daemonculaba

ewww
how can you even think that

fat bitches are gross
daemonic pregnant fat bitches?
how can your mind possibly go to sex?