Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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So what do you think the odds are that the prophecy has happened before with Asriel, Dess and Seam?
If it's true, my money is that things went weird and Asriel and Dess stepped into the lake together like chapter 5's weird route.
 
Interesting theory but not super sure if it's true
There's a bit of evidence for it in chapter 5. There's been a knight opening Fountains from before Ralsei was around, as you can find in Asgore's notes, and Ralsei was not aware of this. As far as he knows, the knight only appears after the heroes do.
 
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I hope Susie suffers next chapter, and even more the chapter after.
 
Our glorious Chud, I wanted to ask if you were planning to compile all your arguments for Susie is evil theory anywhere in particular (like in a big post or something like that)
I've got some plans to put a full script together showcasing the entire argument.
If you'd like to help though, I wouldn't be amiss.
Then when that's done, I'm planning on maybe compiling all that into a group of infographics that lay out all the evidence properly.
I'll need to sort out all the chapters individually.
Just gotta whip out the ol cheat engine so I can try blasting through the game at 500% speed with godmode for the sake of getting better screenshots.

I'm of a half-mind of how convincing these arguments are. On one hand they seem to make a lot of sense, on the other hand it could just be schizobabble since shit Toby did like 10 years ago doesn't necessarily inform how he's gonna handle the story.
I only brought up the Skies Forever Blue thing because it shows that Toby has experimented with concepts like that before.
Also, Toby loves taking massive inspiration from games from his youth that inspired him, so the idea that he's taken inspiration from Live-a-Live for the sorta shit that ended up happening to Oersted at Streibough's hands wouldn't be totally out of nowhere.
 
The deltarune that toby envisioned back in 2012 is 100% not the same deltarune we are getting. Toby should be ashamed of himself for screwing over his vision for a bunch of pansies. What a fucking joke.
The mention of Game of Thrones is appropriate: I wouldn't be surprised if the OG ending, inspired by Omori, was received as utter shit, and Toby wrote himself into a corner, unable to escape. Unfortunately for him, he can't simply eternally delay the final game while getting his paychecks, unlike some writers.
It would explain why Chapter 5 is so lame, if he was busy working out a new ending, giving free reign to the T(Troon) Team.
 
Had what might be another schizo reveal during my research again.
You wanna know something interesting from the ARG?
On the page https://deltarune.com/the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl/
Noelle instantly refers to Susie as "That new girl"

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That New Girl.
TOBY YOU PIECE OF SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Possibly a coincidence, but from my text dump, nobody ever refers to Susie as that in the game itself.
 
I'm just in genuine disbelief rn. I think this may actually be the worst chapter in the game, NOTHING was answered or explained.

It was just bashing you over the head with unskipable Suselle shit for half the runtime, a bunch of obligatory Undertale references, and a series of disjointed, uninteresting levels and a handful of neat gimmicks between mid bosses.

The puzzles aren't even memorable.

The weird route isn't even interesting, Kris and Noelle just kill themselves and you get locked out of chapter 6.
Its telling that i can't even remember the dialogue of the 7 flowers. They're that forgettable. Even the puzzles were a tedious slog (fuck the last pink coin with those bouncy flowers in top castle in particular)
 
Had what might be another schizo reveal during my research again.
You wanna know something interesting from the ARG?
On the page https://deltarune.com/the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl/
Noelle instantly refers to Susie as "That new girl"

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That New Girl.
TOBY YOU PIECE OF SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Possibly a coincidence, but from my text dump, nobody ever refers to Susie as that in the game itself.
looking at head to body proportions, it doesn't seem like it's supposed to be susie. but there are no antlers either, it's confusing. my initial theory was that susie is always nondescript as she can't be controlled by anything, but uhh that argument fell too.
 
You know, if the human souls from Undertale were like their Deltatroon flower counterparts, can we even say that Asgore did anything wrong? The only one you can really feel bad about now is Aqua, and she fucking died in the Ruins.
Wait, aren't flowers supposed to be soulless? How tf do the 7 flowers seem to believe they're humans? And more specifically, where did those flowers come from? Especially if apparently they have the soul of a human in it.
 
looking at head to body proportions, it doesn't seem like it's supposed to be susie. but there are no antlers either, it's confusing. my initial theory was that susie is always nondescript as she can't be controlled by anything, but uhh that argument fell too.
Susie can't equip swords but Noelle can
 
So what do you think the odds are that the prophecy has happened before with Asriel, Dess and Seam?
If it's true, my money is that things went weird and Asriel and Dess stepped into the lake together like chapter 5's weird route.
It needs a human, so I don't think that's likely, but I'm almost certain that Lancer is going to replace Ralsei as our dark prince in at least one route.
 
Dunno why people keep saying Kris and Noelle killed themselves at the end of the Weird Route.
Way I interpreted it is Noelle has figured out the rules of game, and she wants to test the limits of the "Player picks an option."

Kinda like how when you tell Kris "Open the door."
He does so, but with his eyes closed.
He understands the rules and works around them to fuck with us.

Noelle understands the rules now, and wants to exploit them as much as she can.
That's why she says "tell me to grow wings and fly" because she's thinking if we're given the option "Make Noelle grow wings", she actually will.
She's thinking, as long as we say 'Proceed' she doesn't need to worry about drowning, because we're inputting the decision for them to proceed forward.

Well at least that's how I interpret it anyway.
 
Wait, aren't flowers supposed to be soulless? How tf do the 7 flowers seem to believe they're humans? And more specifically, where did those flowers come from? Especially if apparently they have the soul of a human in it.
That's true, but that's Undertale logic.
A laptop doesn't have a soul, either. Neither does a playing card. Or a spam email.
Dark Fountains upon being opened with determination allow all of those things to have emotions, even if they don't have souls, which would include flowers.
My current unified theory is working on the idea of Dark Worlds as we see them for the most part being childish imagination from Kris and Noelle's past come to life, pencils becoming swords, a playing card being an actual king. That kind of stuff.
So inside of a dark world, of course the flowers can have emotions!
(This is also why Susie's Dark World is so messed up. She doesn't have the same imagination that Kris and Noelle do that likely originally formed all the Dark Worlds around the town that we see. Susie really is an invader.)


Dunno why people keep saying Kris and Noelle killed themselves at the end of the Weird Route.
Way I interpreted it is Noelle has figured out the rules of game, and she wants to test the limits of the "Player picks an option."

Kinda like how when you tell Kris "Open the door."
He does so, but with his eyes closed.
He understands the rules and works around them to fuck with us.

Noelle understands the rules now, and wants to exploit them as much as she can.
That's why she says "tell me to grow wings and fly" because she's thinking if we're given the option "Make Noelle grow wings", she actually will.
She's thinking, as long as we say 'Proceed' she doesn't need to worry about drowning, because we're inputting the decision for them to proceed forward.

Well at least that's how I interpret it anyway.
People keep saying that because they are retarded.
It's clear that Noelle had her eyes on something bigger.
But as for drowning, here's the thing. I don't think Noelle was ever bothered about that being a possibility at all. She wasn't worried about drowning because she literally can't drown, and neither can Kris. If you stop proceeding in the middle of the lake, when Kris and Noelle should just... die of drowning. They don't, they just get sent back to events as they should be. It's lead me to conclude that Noelle understands that she can't die. (Suicidal Noelle is also likely going to be a part of my theory, as the prophecy would prevent any attempts.)
 
It needs a human, so I don't think that's likely, but I'm almost certain that Lancer is going to replace Ralsei as our dark prince in at least one route.
Theoretically, Dess could be human. I don't think there's any definitive proof yet she was a monster, and there's some weak evidence to suggest the red soul was Dess's and Kris lost his original soul somehow.
 
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