Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Various Shades of Brown]

That's how I feel about the secret boss. Totally pointless compared to the others. I keep thinking how we could have had a fight with asgore, or with friend, or explored all the flowers EXCEPT flowey and made him the secret boss, or anything else besides anime jokes.

I was seriously expecting the secret boss to be a "missing" red Flower that was eerily similar to Kris, to the point where it'd be more like a gnarled weave of rose thorns and feature bullet patterns based on actions taken in the Weird Route (Cracking the screen to make fissures that deal damage, tossing knife-shaped thorns at the player, perhaps even a smidge of that forbidden ice magic?). The moment it clicked that the pink cat bells were dropping a unique currency, my heart sank a bit.

 

[San Marino]

Kris opening the dark fountain this chapter was the stupidest shit ever.

 

[Shamino]

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Kris opening the dark fountain this chapter was the stupidest shit ever.

It was borderline comical, especially considering Toby could've just made it so the Knight opened the fountain instead, considering they show up in the chapter anyway.

Or shit he could've made it so that Kris walked off and opened it during the beach scene instead of having Kris sit on the cuck bench doing nothing.

 

[Just Another Rando]

Flowery calls Ralsei princess more than once, presumably as an insult... I want to believe this is just looking bad out of context but after tranny jax I dont know what to believe anymore.

Youtube recommended can be funny at times

 

[GetRichOrCryTryin']

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Jesus christ nigga its 2026 are we STILL doing the family guy death pose meme

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Think I've more or less settled on my opinion.

 

[JustAnotherRetardedLurker]

This chapter was forgettable. I cant remember a single song. Secret boss wasn't interesting at all.

Did anyone do some of the Diner conversations between the flowers? I was looking at all of them but got bored because they weren't interesting and just did the ones between the flowers and main characters. The one between Ralsei and Orange both makes a Ralsei hat joke and has Ralsei act pretty gay.

I completely lost focus while reading the drink part earlier and didn't even register it. I wonder how much of this dialogue is written by Toby's Tranny Team. (It wouldn't suprise me if Toby himself was writing this slop though.)

Do you guys think it'll be worth playing through everything past Chapter 2 just to get a Snowgrave save ready? I can't be bothered to drag myself through Chapter 3 again but I feel like Snowgrave is cooler when experienced in game.

The Ralsei plush still being plugged in game pisses me off. Toby is advertising his overpriced sweatshop produced merch of one of the most unbearable characters in this game, and it feels extremely Jewish.

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I am 100% team Kris now, open those fountains brotato chip. This is fucking brutal.

IIRC this is missing dialogue where Susie asks if Kris' type is humans or monsters.

 

[my penis is on fire]

"God I hate faggots so much"
...I say to myself as I walk out of Freddie's Beach Bar & Restaurant, where moments ago I walked in thinking I'd surely find something other than faggots. Outside the building the air no longer smells like artificial fruit flavor and amyl nitrite, but I worry that breathing in that atmosphere for too long has infected me with GRIDS.
There had been a rumor that the venue owner secretly hated his customers and did everything possible to avoid them. Instead of reasoning that it's a gay bar and that the owner had for decades been considered a champion for gay rights and that everyone I know who goes there is a faggot, based on the rumor alone I decided it would be worth my time to explore. There is no one to blame for this but me. When I get home I am going to take a very long shower.

This has been my experience with Deltarune Chapter 5.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

IIRC this is missing dialogue where Susie asks if Kris' type is humans or monsters.

It's just a continuation of the "I don't even know what your type would be" part. Kris still just looks at Susie after she asks so I think the intended message of the interaction is largely the same.

Unless it's implying that miscegenation is generally frowned upon in this world so asking if Kris prefers human or monsters is inherently ridiculous.

 

[Milkmaid Man]

Or shit he could've made it so that Kris walked off and opened it during the beach scene instead of having Kris sit on the cuck bench doing nothing

I guess that wouldn't work because the soul wouldn't be present for the Yuri slop power hour, but I'm disappointed that idea wasn't even considered. Could have so easily pulled it off by adding a trash can to the beach.

 

[Bitchy Babylonian Barber]

It was borderline comical, especially considering Toby could've just made it so the Knight opened the fountain instead, considering they show up in the chapter anyway.

Or shit he could've made it so that Kris walked off and opened it during the beach scene instead of having Kris sit on the cuck bench doing nothing.

To the day I die, I will forever hate the cuck bench scene. Unskippable, useless, yet somehow the most impactful scene in this damn game. Why do we see it when Kris is knocked out cold? Why is it we're never able to see whatever Kris wants to hide from us but we have to see and endure the yuri. The rest of this chapter was dogshit, the strange designs for the flower-people- also why are they flower people near explicitly. When we have Humanoid figures in Deltarune, they're usually funny creatures or people.
Tenna, the lovable TV. Lancer, Rouxls, and King are all cards. Spamton, Jevil, etc... They're all 'goofy people' in design. They're all Humanoid, but they're silly enough they pass.
Why the Hell do the flowers look so 'Human'? Especially if its Asgore we're talking about, or anyone in town? The only Human is Kris and he's a recluse. Sure Kris is Asgore's son, but he's seen him as much as we've seen Asriel. Flowery looks 'too Human'. Kris (Frisk and Chara also fall here) is supposed to be what Humans look like, or close to it. If I can recall parts of this thread have stated these characters were designed by guest artists, but like holy Hell why, could they not have at least made them objects-for-heads like some of the other characters? This chapter really feels like it was the key-jingliest chapter for fan writers and artists.

 

[Wiggerlicious]

How it feels watching both the tranny show and tranny game under deliver spectacularly during Pride Month

 

[Wiggerlicious]

DOUBLEPOST FOR TOTAL TROONSLOP DEATH!

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Unskippable, useless, yet somehow the most impactful scene in this damn game. Why do we see it when Kris is knocked out cold? Why is it we're never able to see whatever Kris wants to hide from us but we have to see and endure the yuri.

It's not even naturally set up. The moment you go to the beach it just timeskips to sunset where Kris is already out cold and Noelle and Susie are literally expositing about how long they've been talking. "Gee wiz Susie how long have we been talking for?" "Gosh it must have been hours!" which is a totally satisfying and well-written and definitely not lazy as fuck way of conveying that they are totes way closer now.

No we will not show these characters actually becoming closer on-screen or having actual chemistry, we will just tell you that it happened off-screen and make them confess their love right this instant, stalker child.

 

[Various Shades of Brown]

Why the Hell do the flowers look so 'Human'? Especially if its Asgore we're talking about, or anyone in town? The only Human is Kris and he's a recluse. Sure Kris is Asgore's son, but he's seen him as much as we've seen Asriel. Flowery looks 'too Human'. Kris (Frisk and Chara also fall here) is supposed to be what Humans look like, or close to it. If I can recall parts of this thread have stated these characters were designed by guest artists, but like holy Hell why, could they not have at least made them objects-for-heads like some of the other characters? This chapter really feels like it was the key-jingliest chapter for fan writers and artists.

There's some small implication in their tedious dialog that hints the Flowers lack any interesting features beyond their color and the weird little personalities Asgore gives them. Considering we now know Asgore's been to & sealed dark fountains prior to the story, they might even be a result of his own experimentation? Maybe he wanted to see exactly how objects manifest in the dark world? Oh wait that's interesting, so probably not that.

It's something along the lines of fake-it-til-you-make-it. The Flowers are pretending to be humans in hopes that Asgore will recognize them as people with lives and consider leaving the fountain open, rather than taking the form of giant hydrangeas and going "Hello! I'm Hydrangeorge, and I love being alive!" as if that wouldn't scare the shit out of him.

I do think it would've been more interesting if they actually looked like flowers though. False face patterns would work well on Aqua, Seth could have droopy "hair" made of orchid petals, Blue could've literally been a forget-me-not... Amusingly, I think Flowery is the most unique example of the Flowers, despite looking the most plain - he doesn't have a specific color, item or personality trait beyond "Asgore's favorite" - so he's just Asgore's favorite. In almost everything. It's really obnoxious but it's clear he had more thought behind him than the rest.

 

[Cryogonal2]

noelle was right maybe we should drown ourselves in the lake

gnarled weave of rose thorns and feature bullet patterns based on actions taken in the Weird Route

speaking of red things, asgore's schizo board strings piercing through him reminded me of the cracking animation when you put the thornring on noelle.

No we will not show these characters actually becoming closer on-screen or having actual chemistry, we will just tell you that it happened off-screen and make them confess their love right this instant, stalker child.

that's what i hate the most about it. neither toby nor his buddies could think of any way to have those two interact with each other convincingly. instead they have to remind you that these two characters are in love and you know it's true because they don't ever stop bringing it up. they've talked to each other three times! i don't want him to excuse it away by having susie say "i was just jealous of you two, i thought you were a pair even though you two weren't speaking to each other or hanging out much at all!" it's not working. even noelle convincing you to do something wildly life-threatening feels more naturally written than that. a fucking suicide pact is more believable than that romance.

 

[Milkmaid Man]

Others have commented on the music not being up to the level of previous chapters, but I want to ask what's up with the new battle theme? I was under the impression that the Chapter 4 theme would have carried over and it was really good in my opinion. And it would have been much preferred over the remix of the Chapters 1 through 3 battle music which just didn't hit what it needed to.

 

[Dorothy]

I liked the flower bosses theme (It has ZUNpets)

 

[Various Shades of Brown]

Others have commented on the music not being up to the level of previous chapters, but I want to ask what's up with the new battle theme? I was under the impression that the Chapter 4 theme would have carried over and it was really good in my opinion. And it would have been much preferred over the remix of the Chapters 1 through 3 battle music which just didn't hit what it needed to.

It's "Rakuichi Buster", a 7-year old fan-made arrangement by someone of the same name.

https://youtu.be/wGtv-NH2XTQ

Toby probably asked to use it because the musician is japanese and this is the japanese chapter or something along those lines.