Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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We already have like what 3 trannys in this game? Why the fuck are we making the goat boy a fucking Tranny? HELL he made a whole fucking secret boss about it.


Also I’m very surprised nobody in this thread picked up that blue is supposed to be a drag queen.

MORE GAY SLOP I LOVE GAY SLOP AND TRANNY SHIT… FUCK
 
Hey, the Knight didn't just smack away Flowery, The Roaring Fraud waited for the other 6 flowers to turn back into flowers to take away Flowery's main fight gimmick before struggling to deal with base Flowery for a moment.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Flowery and Ralsei have some weird fuckin' link at this point, considering that Flowery is a Golden Flower and Ralsei is... well, the jury's out, but I get the feeling he's a flower too (they call Flowers neither Darkners or Lightners). Maybe Flowey from post the end of Undertale.
He's a flower, he's a Prince, and he was left in the dark.
He is quite literally a Prince from the Dark. There's no real reason for him to have a bitchfit about Flowery otherwise.
Yeah I was looking over the dialogue again and these two HAVE to have met before this chapter considering how personal Flowery gets (the most interesting line is how he insinuates Ralsei should be familiar with raising his stats to the maximum) now that I'm sitting on it, Ralsei gives off very strong "this motherfucker again..." vibes as soon as we see him in the ch5 dark world and has been shown with flower imagery in the past, plus he seems to interact surprisingly directly with the other flowers in the shop when he ordinarily doesn't have too much interactions with other darkeners, and distinctly hides away from Asgore whenever he's nearby, so I assume he's familiar with the place, but that just leads to the natural question of why he's in some school's closet, can go wherever he want, and doesn't seem to need anyone to maintain him like the flowers do. I really hope we don't have to wait TOO much longer for the next two chapters because part of the reason I'm still here is because I wanna know what the fuck Ralsei actually is already.
 
Nigga 2 out of your 3 screenshots are from the krusie_gang subreddit. No shit they won't like it.
You should see the Soulelle subreddit, a guy posted a long-ass rant about how he hates Susie now.

Anyway, for the sake of not double posting.
I did chapter 5, starting with the weird route. I forgot that I didn't actually finish my normal save of chapter 4, so I only had my weird route save.
And hoo boy, it seems to have saved me from the yuri-slop everyone here's talking about. I'll still go and play through that later, but lmao.

On the topic of the weird route itself. For me the entire thing was just: :story: x9001
I laughed my ass of when the crazy Noelle dialogue sprite appeared. And the entire thing was just hilarious to me in how hard it was trying.
That it ends on a cliffhanger is even funnier, if disappointing.
I'm not sure if there is a phrase that combines overpowering amusement and frustrated anger, but that's what I was feeling when I saw that.
The aborted route to normal route part was neat, I wonder if it'll carry over in anyway into the the next chapters.

The rest of the chapter was... fun-ish. I liked parts of it, hated other parts of it.
Flowery is... an interesting character. I assume he was made the way he was so you'd hate him, or fan-girl over him like everyone else, one of the two extremes, no middle-ground. For the sake of brevity, in the end I liked him, he tried his best to keep his foolish dream alive, when he knew it'd never work out. It feels like he was wasted though, like he should have been more present than he actually was.
Thinking back on it, he was very present in the gardens area, and he was semi-present in the cliffs and castle areas. I guess he was as present as he could have been when you consider that the chapter had 6 other flower people it had to deal with, and one of those was a mute-hunchback that acted as a store. Yellows section was funny, blue was meh, Orange was a mouse, and therefore irrelevant. Cyan/Aqua was funny, if retarded/a child/probably the real personality of Kris. Seth/Purple was a nice and funny stereotype, which I at first assumed to be a Nerdy girl, but it turns out that 'they' are non-binary, which sets her from best to third.
I'd rate the flowers in order, best to worst: Flowery, Aqua, Seth, Yellow, Green, Blue, Orange.
Pink doesn't count because she isn't a flower, that aside, the boss battle seemed like it was included for out-of-context/IRL reasons, probably going to end up as merch.

The music was meh for the most part, the Flower Man song during the fight with Flowery was nice, but on it's own it feels lacking.

There's more that could be written, and if I feel like making a full review of it I might. But for now this will do.
 
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After this chapter, I'd do anything to go back to the slog of chapter 3 and the mini games that overstayed their welcome.

I'd genuinely do that stupid cooking show for hours just to not have to endure two obsessed, performative lesbians for the duration of this game.
 
I gotta say that while I was experiencing the chapter, I didn't really think about how much blatant faggotry there was in this chapter compared to previous chapters. And then theres the kicking my man Kris in the dick constantly for 30 minutes straight at the very beginning.

DTR is right.
 
Alright, just did the Weird route bit.
I am slowly starting to see your game, Tricky Tony. Aside from the tranny bullshit.
Apparently you're supposed to be locked out from your weird route saves now? Like there's supposed to be a locked save file? I dunno what happened, but there's just straight up no file in my Snowgrave slot for chapter 5 and I dunno if it glitched or not.
For context, I thought the weird route just resulted in "dude it's a dream lmao"
Turns out I just didn't mash hard enough that one time, so I went back and mashed harder.
It worked. The chapter was fucking skipped entirely.

Edit: Oh ok I get it. So it puts a _b in your save file folder.

However, what's interesting is that even if you do a final abort, there's still a few differences during that normal route. I honestly don't expect Toby to do anything with it though.
 
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I gotta say that while I was experiencing the chapter, I didn't really think about how much blatant faggotry there was in this chapter compared to previous chapters.
The worst part of chapter 5 is definetly the yellow and blue section and how they try to make you like that literal niggerfaggot by having Susie go and say to you, the player "isn't he awesome?!?"

I honestly was waiting for a chapter with this much shit to come out and extend once and for all my dislike for toby from a personal standpoint to his actual fucking games, and now that I finally had it, I wanna fucking kill myself.
And then theres the kicking my man Kris in the dick constantly for 30 minutes straight at the very beginning.
I dunno man, the weird ruote has you as the player cucking kris for noelle, which is next-level pathetic.
Plus kris himself is a non-binary so its a lose-lose regardless of outcome.
(also kris and Susie works better)
To be fair, it ain't so bad, but considering both the shit that comes after and external turds like the finale of digital circus, its more of a matter of my standards being at an historical low.
I plahed a little more and came to actually like Orange up until the moment we got to see how she actually looked, there's a little of chemestry between her and Green that almost works.
Personally, I'd put her as the 3rd best, but we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with these, Aqua and Seth are definetly the only good new characters.

The foxes are kinda good now that I'm thinking, I wish we got a fox leader for one of those flowers instead, would have been better, more accurate too since foxes turns into human and really, they have more personality than some of the flower characters (like green).
 
My newest schitzo theory is that Toby made this chapter the way he did on purpose, Ralsei's constantly pissed, Kris is literally getting cucked to death, Asgore was sick of that shit immediately but was too nice to say it. The flowers are all fucking psychos, and its repeatedly beat into Kris's skull that the power of friendship isn't going to save anyone. Like i think he wants us to feel as miserable as Kris does.

And to top it all off, Chapter 5's weird route is insane, things go off the rails immediately, its the most tense i've felt in the game, and then its just abruptly over, Its not over yet though, because your save file doesn't get a completion mark, we just have to wait for it. Deltarune is waiting afterall. Its like Toby wants you to feel hollow after playing the chapter no matter what side of the shipping war you're on

TL;DR Toby Fox is sick in the head
 
I believe kris isnt into ralsei in anyway. Like, there are multiple times where other characters bring up the fact that ralsei looks like asriel, or even toriel. In this chapter its obvious ralsei wants kris, but honestly its just mega fucking weird.
 
Deltarune is a prequel to Undertale. Our worst fears will come true I suspect at this rate. There's too much predictability here. How would it NOT be a sort of precursor? I don't care what Tobbias Fox himself says.

Just think about it for a second. Especially the Undertale 10th anniversary stream last year that featured content Toby wouldn't release as an update for some reason. It may not be canonical but it features specific deltarune things, basically "if these ideas made it to Undertale".

We know Undertale basically is spun from his Deltarune idea.

We have plenty of things going on that indicate that Kris may be one of those hearts within the coffin in Undertale, we have humans and monsters living together like in Undertale's apparent past.

It is either a prequel or a loose sequel to the pacifist ending. Given how Papyrus may be a child, I lean on prequel.


If Toby Fox or any millennial writer sighed and gave into speculation they know the hype would be lost. I think that's what's been going on this whole time.

What particularly gets me speculating this IS a prequel is this right here.
Asgore was sick of that shit immediately but was too nice to say it. The flowers are all fucking psychos, and its repeatedly beat into Kris's skull that the power of friendship isn't going to save anyone.
Bear with me. What if Kris IS some alternate universe Chara*? Or something fucked up like that. He has the same fucking clothes. No one seems to really notice it though. He has the same shirt as Chara.

Maybe, just maybe, Chara got his shirt from Kris after Kris dies.

Kris takes from both Frisk and Chara. If it's a sequel it'd be both of their souls combined.

If Deltarune is a prequel to Undertale I'd have to say Asgore from the beginning was right all along.
 
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Deltarune is a prequel to Undertale.
Is the bunker not Undertale? Y'know, the knight kidnapping Undertale bosses and all? The code in the shop is the release date of Undertale with 199X as the year from the intro of the game. Not too much into theorizing what Toby Fox is doing with the story, but just in my casual play through I thought he was being pretty on the nose with this one.
 
Flowery calls Ralsei princess more than once, presumably as an insult... I want to believe this is just looking bad out of context but after tranny jax I dont know what to believe anymore.
After toby wrote an actually good romance with more chemistry than breaking bad in kris and susie then procceded to take a sledge hammer to it for more dogshit yurislop that makes negative sense I have genuinely ZERO doubt he'd troon out ralsei, especially considering how heavy handed he was with mentioning the tranny flag colors, having ralsei in a dress, having ralsei say he's never tried being a princess before and having flowery call him a princess multiple times. I don't really care because I never cared much for raslei as a character, he's always been one dimentional and flat, so there wasn't much to ruin.
 
Is the bunker not Undertale? Y'know, the knight kidnapping Undertale bosses and all? The code in the shop is the release date of Deltarune with 199X as the year from the intro of the game. Not too much into theorizing what Toby Fox is doing with the story, but just in my casual play through I thought he was being pretty on the nose with this one.
Never caught that. Toby tried to say they're not connected but clearly they are. Clearly Deltarune precedes Undertale from where it's going.
 
I believe kris isnt into ralsei in anyway. Like, there are multiple times where other characters bring up the fact that ralsei looks like asriel, or even toriel. In this chapter its obvious ralsei wants kris, but honestly its just mega fucking weird.
If you use the chapter 2 tea, its clear that kris never liked ralsei.
Allegedly, this changes at the very end of chapter 4, when you allow kris to console him but that wasn't the case before, and even now the two have a very cold relationship.

Same tea can also be use to understand who wants to fuck who by the way and, once again, kris likes Susie the most, maling the weird ruote where Susie is removed from the equation absolutely fucking worst for kris.
 
Never caught that. Toby tried to say they're not connected but clearly they are. Clearly Deltarune precedes Undertale from where it's going.
I meant Undertale, whoops. Yeah the code in Flowery's container is September 15th 199X. Directly tagging the bunker to the game.
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I think the date of Undertale's release is way too far for it to be a red herring no? What if Gaster was from Deltarune and found Undertale in his research instead of the other way around? Created a dark fountain? What if Asgore's papers were about Gaster and the reason they were jumbled is because to that? Gaster related to the Kris household incident? Yada yada, you can twist this any which way really
 
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