True Detective

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I cannot believe the audience is supposed to buy that this actress is a native Alaskan. Maybe if they said her character was originally from Georgia or Alabama that would make sense but she does not look like a Eskimo at all. She claims some Native ancestry but not only is she obviously mostly Negress but the tribes she claims ancestry from in her blatant Native LARPing are from thousands of miles away from the Frozen North.
 
As a fan of The Thing I enjoyed the first episode. I liked Jodie Foster as Danvers and the rest of the PD. Not a fan of abrasive nigger bitch and muh natives.

Season 1 is still the best ever.
Season 2 has one decent shootout in the middle.
Season 3 had Stephen Dorff killing it.

Season 4 feels a little like Twin Peaks more than Season 1.

Edit after reading the last page my expectations are now in the shitter. It will really be "muh natives and climate change" brought to you by officer nigger bitch. I can completely see this was a different project now retitled to draw interest.

This also explains why two weeks ago all the reviews hit proclaiming this to be "the best season since number 1!". It's clear this is ESG slop they are pushing.
 
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Hi. I was a HUGE fan of the first season and I never watched season 2 because reliable people were saying it was just pretty meh and - in particular - that it didn't have the Ligotti/Lovecraft/Chambers vibe and elements which for me really elevated Season 1. I never even knew there was a season three.

So without spoilers, should I watch S3 and S4 of this show? Specifically: Are they (a) good and (b) do they reintroduce the subtle occultism for the first?
 
I cannot believe the audience is supposed to buy that this actress is a native Alaskan. Maybe if they said her character was originally from Georgia or Alabama that would make sense but she does not look like a Eskimo at all. She claims some Native ancestry but not only is she obviously mostly Negress but the tribes she claims ancestry from in her blatant Native LARPing are from thousands of miles away from the Frozen North.
Anthony Quinn pulled it off better in Ray's The Savage Innocents.

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I enjoyed the episode but have to echo that Kali Reis isn't good. However, I don't think that it is so much being given an awful or poorly written character, but rather Kali Reis not being an actor but being a boxer, and isn't able to add the layers which the character needs.

Thankfully, she is least better than Ronda Rousey at acting.
 
Hi. I was a HUGE fan of the first season and I never watched season 2 because reliable people were saying it was just pretty meh and - in particular - that it didn't have the Ligotti/Lovecraft/Chambers vibe and elements which for me really elevated Season 1. I never even knew there was a season three.

So without spoilers, should I watch S3 and S4 of this show? Specifically: Are they (a) good and (b) do they reintroduce the subtle occultism for the first?
No, there's no philosophy or occultism even hinted at in S3. S4 is Night Country which just came out, I'm not even sure all the episodes are out, I haven't really checked on it because it looks like retarded DEI girl power bullshit - although if occultism is solely what you're after, it is probably in there at least as an aspect, since muh Indiginous Americans or whatever.

S2 actually does hint a little bit at occultism, but then it's very quickly explained and brought down to earth, it's not omni-present or a factor of the murders like in S1. However S2 has great performances from Colin Farrell, Vince Vaughn, and even Rachel McAdams (not to mention a slew of great character actors and bit parts). In particular Colin Farrell is hilarious with his "son" and Vince Vaughn has some great damn lines throughout the series. Unfortunately, outside of those two characters, it's pretty tropey (although well done) and the story is waaaaay too far-ranging for an 8 episode series. I think the biggest problem is that there's too many "main" characters, and they don't spend enough time together to build up chemistry like the two leads in S1 did. That, plus a somewhat disappointing and stupid ending kind of take the air out of the season. On the other hand, if it was just called something besides True Detective, I think it would've been received much better.

I still think S2 is very much worth watching, especially compared to the vast majority of shit that comes out, but other than having a sex-related murder and a couple detectives in it, it's just too far removed from S1.

S3 kind of gets back to its roots, having just two leads who spend enough time together to build up some chemistry. Unfortunately for me, one of those leads is Mahershala Ali, who I think is terrible in all aspects - unbelievable as a detecive, a soldier or even an old man. Stephen Dorff is, on the other hand, absolutely terrific in literally the only role I've ever actually remembered him in and associated with him. The murder and cover-up are much smaller in scale than the first or second season, and there's not even an attempt to hint at something grander or darker (which is fine, it's really not why I don't like this season). I think for me the mains are just uninteresting; I mean in S1 you had Rust and Marty have good arguments about shit from their own perspectives, S2 you had Farrell and Vaughn as very non-tropey characters who were either in interesting situations or had great lines. S3 just has kind of bog standard detectives trying to solve a crime that doesn't make any sense. I guess it was fine, and some people like it, but to me it just really lacked in anything interesting or unique.

So, sorry for the tangent, but the short answer is (and I'm assuming you meant S2 and S3 in your question) - (a) good is probably the wrong word, but I definitely think S2 is worth a watch; S3 is very mid, and I guess mainly hinges on whether you can buy Mahershala as the protagonist; (b) no, nor anything else that made S1 special.
 
Ligotti/Lovecraft/Chambers vibe
Vibes? Ligotti is stolen word for word more than once. The first season was stolen from a few different books, which is why it had a decent enough story.

2 and 3 were shite. 4 was originally some generic "white man bad" shitshow that got retooled into a True Detective show. Its pure shite, no idea why anyone is surprised.
 
I loved season 1. The only weakness it had -maybe- is the episode where the cops need to meet crazy bikers in the middle of a ghetto? It was a well done episode but it didn't feel like the plot of that one really mattered at all.

What sucks is that a lot of shows now require instructions when you recommend them. It's almost every show now. Simpsons fans have done this forever "Okay, start at season 1 BUT if you want to get right to the laugh out loud amazingly funny episodes, then maybe start at season 2 or 3. Then stop at season...9. Keep going at your own discretion but it doesn't get any better after 12. The movie was okay."

It's like you get to play the role of the nameless asshole giving directions to tourists at a pit stop.

"Okay, It's Always Sunny. First 10 seasons and then stop. You've gone too far."

"South Park, first 15/16 seasons-ish? Then there's the movie. Stop there."

"The Boys, season 1 is amazing. Season 2 and 3 are eh.... Background noise."

"Family Guy. Stop at season 3."

"Stranger Things. For god's sake stop at season 1. The story ended there. There was no final scene showing a menacing worm creature."

"X-Files. There's no reboot/sequel series or 2nd movie!"

And it keeps going.
 
Hi. I was a HUGE fan of the first season and I never watched season 2 because reliable people were saying it was just pretty meh and - in particular - that it didn't have the Ligotti/Lovecraft/Chambers vibe and elements which for me really elevated Season 1. I never even knew there was a season three.

So without spoilers, should I watch S3 and S4 of this show? Specifically: Are they (a) good and (b) do they reintroduce the subtle occultism for the first?
If seasons two and three were not prominently called "TRUE DETECTIVE" then they would be good if not great standalone miniseries for HBO. Unfortunately they kept the name of the first season to boost the popularity of the next stories and all it did was get people to negatively compare everything else with the first season. In the short term it got more viewers for the second, third, and fourth seasons, but in the long term we now have the overwhelming majority of the 'True Detective' series being mediocre.

But if you have the time you should watch the second and third seasons of the show and just ignore any connections to the first season. The second season is a decent neo noir police story that goes off the rails at the end. And the third season is more about how someone with dementia processes information told from the perspective of a police officer who is trying to recall his investigative work to a reporter when he suffers from memory loss.

Season four? We only have one episode. But I doubt that this will be anything but the worst season of True Detective. And possibly even the worst miniseries of all time for HBO.
 
The only weakness it had -maybe- is the episode where the cops need to meet crazy bikers in the middle of a ghetto? It was a well done episode but it didn't feel like the plot of that one really mattered at all.
I can see your point but I'll counter that the long interrupted trap house escape scene was fucking awesome.
 
I saw that the 1st episode was up on trackers and I picked it up and went in blind.
When I saw the niggerette with the metal bolts in her face or whatever, I audibly groaned. My nigger fatigue is reaching critical levels. I'm actually thinking of taking a page from Metokur's book and going full weeb.
I'm just sick and tired of niggers in my face!
 
Thanks for all the responses to my questions. All very helpful and the points about how if it were just not named True Detective it would be regarded as good make sense. But nontheless, I think I would feel disappointment watching them. And a few of the comments about S4 are warning signs. So I think I'm going to sit this out and just remember True Detective as this one season gem.

Thanks all1
 
Saving the best for last I see. :biggrin:

First season is much better but at the same time I think people were pretty harsh on season 2.. everyone put in a decent effort. Ray and Frank :feels:. I liked Blue Ruin and hated Green Room so season 3's director has me right in the middle on what to expect from it.
I've since changed my stance on Green Room it ended up clicking with me on a rewatch think it's a pretty good time once you accept its rhythm. S3 was pretty good too but you could feel the spectre of S1 haunting it as they wrestled with the pressure of convincing people they could undo the "sins" of S2 to keep the show alive.

Watched the first episode of S4 and while it takes time to get the elements in place hearing it's only 6 episodes instead of 8 and that HBO ordered a lengthy reshoot concerns me when I see how thin they seem to be spreading characters due to the amount of them and you know there'll be more to come. Seems like an attenpt to move the series forward with a sprawl design. Time will tell but the episode didn't do much for me beyond encouraging another run of S2.

I love these dumbasses and will add Ani to the :feels:club I opened for Ray and Frank before. I don't have much against Pauly either they just didn't give him enough to work with.
 
So without spoilers, should I watch S3 and S4 of this show? Specifically: Are they (a) good and (b) do they reintroduce the subtle occultism for the first?
I'm late to this, but let me pitch season 3:

Imagine True Detective, but instead of quasi-Satanic ritual abuse, the story hook is more like Johnny Gosch. Instead of a wide-ranging conspiracy, we're laser-focused on the effect this crime has on the victim's family, the investigators, and the community. And--this was the most interesting part to me--it interrogates many of the things that made Season 1 what it was. The idea of the super-competent cop, the police violence, the coercive interrogations, the obsessive conspiracy-hunting, all of it gets a fresh look. In a way, it sets out to subvert expectations, and I think it did so successfully. That's hard, and I was impressed at how well they did it.

The best comparison I can think of is the 1990s series Millennium. Real True Detective season 1 was like the grand guignol episodes with serial killers, doomsday cults, and shape-shifting demons. Season 3 is more like the quieter episodes of MM, The Well-worn Lock, The Wild and the Innocent, or Covenant. The plots aren't directly comparable, but the tone of S3 reminded me of them.

It might not have moved fast enough to hold one's attention when it was originally released, but it's very bingeable.
 
The ending for season three ruined it for me. Having a guy sit down and explain the plot and mystery to the detectives (and the audience) point-by-point is the laziest, shittiest way to end a mystery story. Plus, the structure, pacing, and general plot outline is almost beat-for-beat a repeat of season one.
 
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