True Detective

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The women all appearing in the kitchen out of nowhere was so badass. I've seen haters question why there were 20 women all gathered in a tiny house in the middle of the night but they clearly don't get the show's themes. "Time is a flat circle" and "we weren't asking the right questions" were stunning and brave lines too I thought.

11/10.
 
Hilariously bad finale. A million plotholes. Incompetent dialogue. Absurd resolution. My wife was confused why I slunk my head after the hamfisted FLAT CIRCLE comment. It only got lower when they did exactly what a parody would have done with the low-fi 85bpm version of Twist and Shout started playing (again?).

This show was so retarded and poorly made that it should embarrass HBO but they shielded themselves from criticism by loading up on women and abbos. Looks like they bought themselves some cucked critical acclaim but I have not seen a single person say anything remotely positive about it.
 
I finished it.

I feel like the True Detective franchise, and indeed most shows, are like a three-legged stool.

1. Interesting characters and dialogue
2. Interesting plot
3. Interesting setting/culture

In the first season, Rusty and Marty are interesting men with interesting things to say. Hell, what they don't say is interesting. Most of Rusty's dialogue floats out there in its own strange space, and Marty is so angry and repressed that their interaction is like... verbal Greco-Roman wrestling. They're just grappling with each other throughout, and they take years to know and respect each other. In "Night Country," Danvers is raging at the world, which could be an interesting character, while Navarro is very reserved in a Native way, which could also be interesting. However...

If you tell a story in a non-linear fashion, you make a promise to the audience that the loose ends will get tucked back in. The green-eared monster made sense at the end. The polar bear and the hatch were like... maybe I should be watching LOST, which at least had interesting people and tried to tuck most of the loose ends back in. It's been years since I saw that show, and I can still remember moments where two people had a big scene, two pieces of the plot clicked together gloriously, or where more of the Island was revealed. Which brings us to...

I know as little about Ennis as I did when the thing started. I've been to Arctic Alaska, and it's a weird place. It would have been easy to fold in some of the post-apocalyptic weirdness of the place. To wit, there's a sushi place in Nome that looks inside like it was made from the wreckage of The Endurance spit out the other side, shit stacked everywhere, and then you go to use the can and you open a door and you're in a modern, sterile office building with nobody else in it. I get that they were going for a whole mood setting the thing in the Arctic night, but aside from brief views of the interior of Tsalal and the inside of the cave, there's nothing to look at. No feast for the eyes. Put rings of abandoned machinery in a spiral around town! Put some White Alice towers up on the horizon! Put a Subway store with a million-dollar view of the ocean and put a movie theater behind the counter! Work in the fact that first year sea ice tastes like spooge!

There's also a way that people live with the land up there. I both do and don't mean this in a Noble Savage kind of way, but a lot of the economy and how people exist up there is not cash-based. One thing that was a bit of a burr under my saddle is that I don't know if town Natives would protest a mine like that or if they would see the mine as providing jobs in a place with a crushing socioeconomic situation. Also, I know people who do this kind of research, and they are idealists and not the kind of people to make up bullshit for pay. You don't fuck around drilling ice cores if you are not a true believer in the cause of SCIENCE. I don't think any amount of money would get someone to sell out that hard, and if they really wanted to sell out, Exxon pays a lot of money for much better living conditions. I read a comment somewhere, and I don't remember where, but it asked if the people who made this had ever been to Arctic Alaska. It's a place both wonderful and strange.

In summary, this show left us without memorable dialogue, plot, or setting. I feel bad for Jodie Foster.

I appreciate @Mao Hao Hao 's suggestions and I will further suggest Yellowjackets, the episode of X-Files with the loggers, and the episode of the X-Files with the arctic research station as other fine examples of television storytelling in a snowy environment. I could say this show also owes a debt to "Let the Right One In," "The Shining," and "The Empire Strikes Back." And possibly the kitten video for "Immigrant Song."
 
I tried Yellowjackets was too all over the place for me, parts I enjoyed, then other parts that felt like a CW drama. May have kept up with it, but then heard the plan was to have 5 seasons, which just felt like way too much for what was in season 1.
 
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I guess I understand why she's shitting on Nick then. :tomgirl:
 
“True Detective” has been renewed for Season 5 at HBO. Issa López, the creator of “True Detective: Night Country,” will helm the fifth season under her new overall deal with HBO.

The renewal comes as little surprise, given the success of “Night Country,” which saw Jodie Foster and Kali Reis star in the fourth installment of the HBO anthology series. Per HBO, the season is the most-watched installment of the show to date, with 12.7 million cross platform viewers. The season finale on Feb. 18 was the most-watched episode of the season, drawing 3.2 million viewers across HBO and Max. That represents a 57% increase over the show’s premiere viewership in January.




“From conception to release, ‘Night Country’ has been the most beautiful collaboration and adventure of my entire creative life,” López said. “HBO trusted my vision all the way, and the idea of bringing to life a new incarnation of ‘True Detective’ with Casey, Francesca and the whole team is a dream come true. I can’t wait to go again.”



“Issa Lopez is that one-of-a-kind, rare talent that speaks directly to HBO’s creative spirit,” added Francesca Orsi, executive vice president of HBO Programming and head of HBO drama series and films. “She helmed ‘True Detective: Night Country’ from start to finish, never once faltering from her own commendable vision, and inspiring us with her resilience both on the page and behind the camera. Alongside Jodie and Kali’s impeccable performances, she’s made this installation of the franchise a massive success, we are so lucky to have her as part of our family.”

In “Night Country,” detectives Liz Danvers (Foster) and Evangeline Navarro (Reis) investigate the disappearance of eight men working at a remote arctic research station in Alaska. They soon discover the events at the station could be connected to one of their old cases, dragging them both into a dark and unexpected journey.

The season also starred Finn Bennett, Fiona Shaw, Christopher Eccleston, Isabella Star LaBlanc, and John Hawkes. Guest stars included Anna Lambe, Aka Niviâna, and Joel D. Montgrand.

At this time, Foster and Reis are not attached to the fifth installment, as the show has changed its lead actors with each new season.

López served as the writer, executive producer, and showrunner on “Night Country.” Foster executive produced in addition to starring.

Barry Jenkins, Adele Romanski, and Mark Ceryak of Pastel also executive produced. Pastel is currently under a first-look deal at HBO and Max. Chris Mundy, Alan Page Arriaga, Steve Golin, and Richard Brown also executive produced along with “True Detective” creator Nic Pizzolatto, Mari Jo Winkler, and Season 1’s Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson, and Cary Joji Fukunaga. Princess Daazhraii Johnson, Cathy Tagnak Rexford, and Sam Breckman were producers on “Night Country.”
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What, you doubt that the Gods of Writing's chosen one won't make another masterpiece?

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Sorry for doing a drive-by posting, I haven't watched True Detective since the first season, and only briefly saw a couple episodes from the subsequent seasons because they didn't measure up to the first.

That being said, what the fuck? When did this franchise become a political statement? Everything about it is being spun as "gurrrrrl power! females get it done!"

I'd had a casual interest in watching the new season once all the episodes dropped, because I'm a fan of Jodie Foster, but I really don't give a shit about it now, especially with all of the identarian crap poisoning it. What a fucking misfire.

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I retract my doubts about the season that I posted earlier in the thread.

The finale was one of the funniest episodes of TV I have ever seen, I practically dry heaved I was laughing so hard during several scenes.

I choose to believe this show is guerilla comedy disguised as drama, it's the closest thing we've ever had to The Sopranos.
 
Season 4 was shockingly bad. I love that they just had to make Liz' daughter a lesbian.

I learnt that all men in Alaska are bastards and all the women, except the white mine bitch of course, are good even if they are murderers.
 
Pale Empress dijo:
Sorry for doing a drive-by posting, I haven't watched True Detective since the first season, and only briefly saw a couple episodes from the subsequent seasons because they didn't measure up to the first.

That being said, what the fuck? When did this franchise become a political statement? Everything about it is being spun as "gurrrrrl power! females get it done!"

I'd had a casual interest in watching the new season once all the episodes dropped, because I'm a fan of Jodie Foster, but I really don't give a shit about it now, especially with all of the identarian crap poisoning it. What a fucking misfire.

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Jared Fogle's younger brother Joe Russo (don't worry, he's an incel).
 
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