True Detective

[Judge Holden]

Imma be real

A series entirely about a group of Consuela cleaning spics being sekritly vigilante ninjas going around writing wrongs while filling out order forms for lemon pledge and listening to mariachi music while mopping up puke is a concept with unironic cheesy fun potential, especially if they go full schlock. Even if in this epoch it would draw the most cancerous woke retards to fuck the concept beyond repair in practice

Having this be the unironic "twist" for a True detective series however is a bit like if they ended season 1 with the villain being revealed to be the literal Snidely Whiplash who caused all the shit that happened in the series to happen in order to distract police from his plan to steal a weather control machine.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

That being said, what the fuck? When did this franchise become a political statement? Everything about it is being spun as "gurrrrrl power! females get it done!"

Because that is literally all these people do. They co-opt properties and use them as machines to churn out bad product after bad product.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

Sorry for doing a drive-by posting, I haven't watched True Detective since the first season, and only briefly saw a couple episodes from the subsequent seasons because they didn't measure up to the first.

That being said, what the fuck? When did this franchise become a political statement? Everything about it is being spun as "gurrrrrl power! females get it done!"

I'd had a casual interest in watching the new season once all the episodes dropped, because I'm a fan of Jodie Foster, but I really don't give a shit about it now, especially with all of the identarian crap poisoning it. What a fucking misfire.

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Is this the same guy that was bitching about Scorcese's quote while bringing up box office or was that one the other Russo?

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Is this the same guy that was bitching about Scorcese's quote while bringing up box office or was that one the other Russo?

That might possibly be Joe Russo. This Russo is a bit of a lolcow due to how actively, stereotypically Reddit he is. I'm talking peak soy-guzzling beta male phenotype. I only knew about him through the writer's strike of last year.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Loved everything about s01 and think it is one of the best seasons of a show ever made, i only knew Pizzalotto from The Killing (which is alright) and the quality between it and TD s01 is mind-blowing, to show such an improvement between two projects is exceptional. That said, i hated everything about s02, except Vince Vaughn. Same for s03, except Stephen Dorff. Lame attempt at catching the lightning in a bottle that s01 was again.

Just started watching the newest season and i am not liking it one bit, unsurprisingly. I dislike how it dives straight into the super natural. I dislike the boring cinematography. I fucking hate the soundtrack. But most of fucking all i hate the dialogue. Who wrote this shit? Did they really just use the "In english, nerd" line at the beginning of e02? What the fuck happened?! I am only continuing to watch this because i like the alaskan setting and the alaskan native thing (i loved it in "Hold the Dark") but man, this season is bad not even two episodes in.

I know the OP is ancient but it riles me up how anyone can recommend watching the second season over the master piece that season 1 was. Unspeakably plebian taste.

Edit: Alright, i am retarded, Pizzolatto had fuck all to do with The Killing, i don't know right now with what i am getting it mixed up. It's been some years.

 

[TheHarbinger]

i only knew Pizzalotto from The Killing (which is alright) and the quality between it and TD s01 is mind-blowing, to show such an improvement between two projects is exceptional.

When you steal from other writers you can rapidly "improve" the quality of "your" work.

Edit: Alright, i am retarded, Pizzolatto had fuck all to do with The Killing, i don't know right now with what i am getting it mixed up. It's been some years.

He wrote two episodes including the first season finale which is probably one of the worst episodes in television history.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Ah so i wasn't completely retarded, he was involved. I remember not much of The Killing except it being alright. I might have a different opinion if i rewatch it now.

When you steal from other writers you can rapidly "improve" the quality of "your" work

Can you elaborate?

Edit: Oh great, now there's also underage lesbian shit in this. What the fuck am i watching here? I didn't even go into the "native lesbian daughter" shit in my first post because it didn't piss me off as much as the bad dialogue but here we are.

 

[AnOminous]

Can you elaborate?

Much of TD was "inspired" by the works of Thomas Ligotti, a deeply dark and pessimistic writer who is like if H.P. Lovecraft and Arthur Schopenhauer had a love child. He was even accused of plagiarism. I don't think it was quite to that level personally, and plenty of people have reused concepts like Ambrose Bierce's Carcosa, Lovecraft's whole general oeuvre, and even nihilism and antinatalism.

Most of this philosophy comes out in the character of Rustin Cohle. I absolutely loved this character for just introducing ideas almost never seen in mass media, while also being a badass instead of the usual redditor dipshit who mangles these concepts. Cohle actually expressed them rather eloquently. In any event, the closest it gets to outright plagiariam is The Conspiracy Against the Human Race by Ligotti, essentially the philosophical manifesto of a man who is usually a horror writer.

I don't think he actually plagiarized so much as was deeply influenced to the point of imitation, because he did it very well, but he may be a one-hit wonder.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Highly informative, first time i am hearing this, never came up in the TD threads on /tv/. I definitely need to look into Ligotti. I loved the McConaughey/Harrelson pairing or rather how their respective roles were written. It's one of the few shows that also handled a time jump well. The Louisiana backdrop is another thing i really like.

he may be a one-hit wonder

Judging by how bad s02 and s03 are i say he pretty much is. I remember being extremely hyped for the second season, i like Colin Farrel in anything plus the first season set a very high bar in quality but then only Vince Vaughn's role and the according shitposting on /tv/ ended up what i liked most about it. Third season i found completely forgetable apart from Dorff and, as i wrote above, it just tried to be s01 again but miserably failed at that.

Edit: Fukanaga's cinematography in s01 was another thing that set the show apart from others of its time. It's also the only saving grace of "Beasts of No Nation" which felt to me like a poor reimagination of "Johnny Mad Dog".

 

[TheHarbinger]

Also there seems to be a lot of plagiarism accusations of Pizzolatto stealing things from Alan Moore. Specifically his works of Top 10, From Hell and The Courtyard/Neonomicon. The ending of the first season of True Detective looks to be lifted verbatim from one of the page of Top 10. HBO and Pizzolatto denied all of this but everything else called 'True Detective' has been paltry and embarrassingly bad and not at all the quality of the first season. You could argue it was lightning in a bottle but it looks more like they can't get away with stealing from everyone anymore.

He may be a one-hit wonder.

Everything else that he has done has been average or mediocre and nothing special. Even the first season of True Detective is mediocre with the Rust dialog. As the way that they solve the case with the green paint on the house was ridiculously rushed and sloppy.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Kali Reis can't act for shit.

 

[AnOminous]

Highly informative, first time i am hearing this, never came up in the TD threads on /tv/. I definitely need to look into Ligotti. I loved the McConaughey/Harrelson pairing or rather how their respective roles were written. It's one of the few shows that also handled a time jump well. The Louisiana backdrop is another thing i really like.

Pretty much all of this. It's tricky to do dark and edgy characters like Rust without going into full reddit mode but having a normie like Marty reacting to it lightens the mood up a bit.

This is one of my favorite exchanges:

Detective Rust Cohle : Look, I'd consider myself a realist, all right? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist.
Detective Marty Hart : Uh, okay, what's 'at mean?
Detective Rust Cohle : Means I'm bad at parties.
Detective Marty Hart : Heh. Lemme tell ya, you ain't great outside-a parties, either.

I always thought of Marty as a sort of stand-in for the audience in these exchanges where he's reacting to one of Rust's gloomfests. He's saying what a lot of people are thinking while watching it.

Also their fight was a great scene, not only because it genuinely looked like a fight, but because you could tell Marty wasn't just angry, he was hurt and betrayed. I honestly think Rust let him beat him up because he knew he'd dun goofed and Marty needed a win. Notice that once he does start to fight he one shots him and throws him into his truck.

Other details that stood out were he put his gun away before going out there because if he had it he would have shot him, and the fact that the tail light on Rust's truck that broke when he threw Marty into it wasn't fixed ten years later after the time jump.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Detective Rust Cohle : Look, I'd consider myself a realist, all right? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist.
Detective Marty Hart : Uh, okay, what's 'at mean?
Detective Rust Cohle : Means I'm bad at parties.
Detective Marty Hart : Heh. Lemme tell ya, you ain't great outside-a parties, either.

One of my favourite exchanges was Cohle going full nihilist diatribe in a scene where both him and Marty are driving in a car and he goes "We are all just bags of sentient meat", scene goes on, they step out of the car, short dialogue follows and Marty goes "So, whats all this shit about scented meat?" while grinning like an asshole, completely calling Rust out on his bullshit. The chemistry between these two was magic and the dialogue in general was stellar. The "I take a sixer of Old Milwaukee, Lone Star, nothin' snooty" line from the first episode when the feds are interrogating Cohle is firmly embedded in my mind, too The delivery on "nothin' snooty" is just too good.

 

[Rust Chole]

There is no Season 2, 3 or 4.

 

[KhorneFlakes]

I'm rewatching S1 for the first time since it came out. I was a teen when it first released and I'm pretty sure I dropped it very early in. Now I'm a few years away from 30 and I feel like I can understand the characters alot moreso than before, which honestly has hooked me in far more than I expected. Only on ep5 and gotta say, I love it, the show is scratching an itch like nothing else has in a while now.

 

[The Hardest R]

Yeah True Detectits season one is great TV, even if shit was stolen from other sources. The Golden Era of TV Dramas was coming to end and it was a pretty good representation of what we could continue to see if wokeness hadn’t fucked everything up.

 

[KhorneFlakes]

It's the tism acting up but I keep imagining Cohle saying Kingdom Hearts quotes and it fits far too well sometimes

 

[TheHarbinger]

There's been an announcement of a fifth season. The idiots who made the fourth season are coming back again.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

I don't think he actually plagiarized so much as was deeply influenced to the point of imitation, because he did it very well, but he may be a one-hit wonder.

Season 2 is pretty much L. A. Confidential under this same line of reasoning.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Season 2 is pretty much L. A. Confidential under this same line of reasoning.

Season 2 also has a lot of Chinatown with something like Rififi thrown into it as well. It's an obvious neo noir story, where in typical noir fashion all of the protagonists end up getting killed, as a result of their own poor decisions. And it has a plotline of following people making pornography similar to 8MM. But most of the plot of the second season is superficial or unexplored. As the real theme is more about fertility and masculinity and being able to father children. Hence the many scenes about Ray's son being his own, or Frank and his wife struggling to have a child, or Woodrugh having a child despite not wanting one.

In 8MM, Chinatown, and L.A. Confidential most of the detectives survive the story ending. In the heist neo noir films the protagonists, typically the robbers, all end up dying or getting caught. The instant that the main characters started planning a heist in the second season you had the message boards flooded with people guessing that they obviously were not going to survive. And that probably everyone in the heist would be dead. Some even predicted that they would trade the money for diamonds like how a lot of noir films involve exchanging cash for diamonds.

Lots of crime films have the cliche of someone dying or failing to use a small bag of valuable diamonds. The "escape with a pocket of diamonds" is one of the more used ways of a criminal going into hiding. They had the main character in Better Call Saul get caught in a dumpster with his diamonds. Or something like Marathon Man where the Nazi drops the diamonds into the sewer. Or the joke on this in Snatch where it's a gigantic fist size diamond that a dog managed to swallow and run away with back to his home.

Season two is not really an original idea. It's a mashup of a few popular noir and crime films. But it's produced and acted well enough that it's enjoyable. The only really original idea is the emphasis on fathering a child and how it plays into the lives of every single main character.