The Orville appreciation thread - IE, the actual new Star Trek

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

God bless Seth's Roddenberry-esque insistence on putting the women he's dating/used to date on the show.
Though I'm certain if there is a season 4 she will mysteriously be written out a la Halston Sage

Yeah, he's got good taste in women.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

God bless Seth's Roddenberry-esque insistence on putting the women he's dating/used to date on the show.
Though I'm certain if there is a season 4 she will mysteriously be written out a la Halston Sage

Sage was a Warp factor 3.14 QT. Shame she is no longer on the cast. Sad.

 

[Absolutego]

Sage was a Warp factor 3.14 QT. Shame she is no longer on the cast. Sad.

This is the downside of bringing 24 year old aspiring actresses you like banging on the show for major roles.
I like to think he's learned his lesson a little bit, since he brought on an ex (Szohr) to replace Sage and Burke (his new flame) is in an utterly replaceable role.

 

[Gimmick Account]

Yeah, I was dissapointed they didn't reveal that kylden was born a woman. I think it would have made his point of view more understandable to Topa. Agreed it would have added to the emotional depth of him leaving.

Have to assume they held that wad back on purpose; it's turned into a much more interesting subplot than I thought it'd be. It's also solidly in-character. As great as it is to see Klyden leave, he'd be much better as an antagonist so they can have that conversation via viewscreen when he returns to assault the ship with a transgender death fleet.

 

[khaine]

Have to assume they held that wad back on purpose; it's turned into a much more interesting subplot than I thought it'd be. It's also solidly in-character. As great as it is to see Klyden leave, he'd be much better as an antagonist so they can have that conversation via viewscreen when he returns to assault the ship with a transgender death fleet.

Yeah, or they have another episode that focusses on Klyden coming to terms with who he is, and standing up for his daughter.

 

[Gimmick Account]

Eh dickishness aside he seemed pretty content until that abhorrent aberration of a crotchspawn came along.
Sure the kid seems cute now but when she grows up and develops a revolting Australian accent you'll realise their traditions were right all along.

Apart from that, with how respectful they've been toward the moclan way (personal values and ultimately favouring personal choice aside) I really doubt the resolution is going to be him embracing american values and wishing his spam purse back.

 

[Saint Agustin]

I'm really confused by the last episode: They did an allegory of "detransing" or I'm mistaking the message of the episode? If so, holy shit that's based as fuck.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

What about the power of math?

They'd use it to count the number of genders.

 

[northstar747]

I'm really confused by the last episode: They did an allegory of "detransing" or I'm mistaking the message of the episode? If so, holy shit that's based as fuck.

They gave opposing views enough leeway, and respect with a touch of ambiguity that people will take what they want for it.

Basically they didnt straw man or be super heavy handed. Personally I dont like the whole gender shit because I can feel the troon agenda.

RLM spoke how star trek did the morality tales by dressing them up like this.

TNG had a episodes about conversion therapy, ritual suicide, the mentally retarded (paklead), space jews, drug addiction, etc.

But having people act in character and legitimate motives makes a compelling story.

 

[Anime Goddess]

I'm really confused by the last episode: They did an allegory of "detransing" or I'm mistaking the message of the episode? If so, holy shit that's based as fuck.

It was so smartly written it can leave both SJWs and conservatives happy

SJWs will take it as being about embracing your true self over living a lie. It supports changing one’s sex from a wrong one to the right one. It rebels against a conservative patriarcal society. So it can be interpreted as pro trans.

Conservatives will take it as forcing people to transition, specially kids, as bad. And that things should remain as they were from the start and follow their natural path. That parents shouldn’t meddle with a kid’s sex.

Honestly it was a genius move on the part of the writers, because it takes both sides of the issue and makes you think. Current Star Trek wishes it was half as smart.

I am very impressed with Seth by the way. He is a liberal atheist, but he is not treating the side he disagrees as stupid and evil as current trek would

 

[Cactuar King]

They gave opposing views enough leeway, and respect with a touch of ambiguity that people will take what they want for it.

Basically they didnt straw man or be super heavy handed. Personally I dont like the whole gender shit because I can feel the troon agenda.

RLM spoke how star trek did the morality tales by dressing them up like this.

TNG had a episodes about conversion therapy, ritual suicide, the mentally retarded (paklead), space jews, drug addiction, etc.

But having people act in character and legitimate motives makes a compelling story.

I caught a TNG episode the other day, The Outcast, the one with the species that doesn't have genders and the ones that choose to pick one are sent to reeducation camps for brainwashing. It was kind of refreshing to see those aliens not being cartoonishly evil, and Picard telling Riker to calm the fuck down over his issues with the aliens. Definitely wouldn't be the case if it was released today.

 

[northstar747]

I caught a TNG episode the other day, The Outcast, the one with the species that doesn't have genders and the ones that choose to pick one are sent to reeducation camps for brainwashing. It was kind of refreshing to see those aliens not being cartoonishly evil, and Picard telling Riker to calm the fuck down over his issues with the aliens. Definitely wouldn't be the case if it was released today.

I honestly feel the most TNG ish episode was the first contact episode with the culture that was all astrology based. Granted they aped voyager with the making a new star map thing.

 

[Chilson]

I am very impressed with Seth by the way. He is a liberal atheist, but he is not treating the side he disagrees as stupid and evil as current trek would

While I am impressed with Seth, its clear that the conservative argument was written by a liberal and not a true conservative. It showed a lot in the Krill episode with his brain dead and simply flat out incorrect description on populist movements and "fake news".

It sort of dances around the two primary issues in the troon debate that heavily favor conservative viewpoints. AKA grooming and mental illness.

While it is admirable how even handed Seth has been, its clear he favors the liberal side (which is not surprising given he is a liberal) and only gives the conservative side enough to make an argument but rarely enough to make a compelling point.

After all, the episode's great message is that children should decide what gender they FEEL they should be regardless of the context. It would be better if he had a truly conservative co-writer to balance it out, but Hollywood has basically purged all of them so I don't really blame Seth too much for this issue.

 

[Absolutego]

While I am impressed with Seth, its clear that the conservative argument was written by a liberal and not a true conservative. It showed a lot in the Krill episode with his brain dead and simply flat out incorrect description on populist movements and "fake news".

It sort of dances around the two primary issues in the troon debate that heavily favor conservative viewpoints. AKA grooming and mental illness.

While it is admirable how even handed Seth has been, its clear he favors the liberal side (which is not surprising given he is a liberal) and only gives the conservative side enough to make an argument but rarely enough to make a compelling point.

After all, the episode's great message is that children should decide what gender they FEEL they should be regardless of the context. It would be better if he had a truly conservative co-writer to balance it out, but Hollywood has basically purged all of them so I don't really blame Seth too much for this issue.

But them hiring a true conservative for the writing staff would rob us of the unintentional hilarity that this was almost certainly meant to be a pro-trans allegory, and yet it depicted:
-Prepubescent transitioning being essentially gay grooming, and
-Transitioning to something besides your birth gender creating massive mental health issues leading to suicidal ideation

Hollywood being unintentionally based is always good for a laugh.

 

[Cactuar King]

But them hiring a true conservative for the writing staff would rob us of the unintentional hilarity that this was almost certainly meant to be a pro-trans allegory, and yet it depicted:
-Prepubescent transitioning being essentially gay grooming, and
-Transitioning to something besides your birth gender creating massive mental health issues leading to suicidal ideation

Hollywood being unintentionally based is always good for a laugh.

They called it mutilation in the episode where Bortus was addicted to holodreck porn too.

 

[northstar747]

While it is admirable how even handed Seth has been, its clear he favors the liberal side (which is not surprising given he is a liberal) and only gives the conservative side enough to make an argument but rarely enough to make a compelling point.

Its the whole dialogs by plato

your listening to what sounds like a debate but its really just two sock puppets the trick is to slant it just enough.

rememebr when quantum leap addressed homosexuality? It ended with same leaping and going "does it matter?"

They had a kid screaming about gender dysphoria, They were smart to dance close to but not talk about "assigned at birth"

and a bunch of cultural baggage etc.

 

[Jean Lafitte 1812]

Tale of Two Toppas encapsulates exactly what has been missing from modern Star Trek and from Sci Fi in general: the fact that people can have 4 forum pages of discussion about a single episode of a series. It's a phenomenon that dates back to Star Wars A New Hope, but it's gotten really bad in the last 15 years to the point that if it doesn't pull in a billion at the box office the big media companies have no use for it. Which is also why I'm assuming that Orville Season 3 is going to be the last season since Disney will absolutely call McFarlene's bluff if he threatens to ditch Family Guy. Disney does not care if they keep the people behind their IPs and The Orville has nowhere near enough appeal to justify its own budget.

As for the episode itself: Toppa's storyline had to come to a head eventually and they handled it pretty well. Happy to see Klayden go, but I do hope he gets to show up again because it's nice to have a villain whose main motivation isn't murdering the Orville. I do appreciate that he was pretty justified in what he did up until the end of this episode. It's part of why this story arc has been one of the stronger ones across the series.

Two thing not related to the episode's plot I appreciated: 1) It was nice getting to see Ed and Kelly actually get in trouble for disregarding orders like that. Ed has a history of ignoring protocol like when he let the now-leader of Krill go in S2 and it's nice seeing a realistic response to ignoring orders for the good of the crew. 2) Issac's attempts to understand dating were interesting in S2 and them bringing that back around with him and Claire again might make for a nice episode. I know Issac is a pretty blatant Data stand-in and that was the most Data they've done so far and I liked it.

 

[God of Nothing]

The difference between The Orville and Nu-Trek is essentially that Nu-Trek is telling you what you must think, whereas the Orville has a message that's ambiguious enough that it allows discussion such as the above, and for people to draw different conclusions. And I would totally rekt the cute blonde on the bridge.

Yeah, though the repeated 'religion baaaad' from season 1 to 2 was getting really tiring. Come on, Seth, you could've gone for literally anything else. For fuck's sake, you made the race that worshipped one of your crew members as gods become gods, you fuck.

blondey hates best boy 'Two Eyes' Isaac
she trash

 

[Absolutego]

I know everyone (justifiably) hates Klyden the character, but I personally hope he has some kind of ongoing role, because it's hilarious to me that Chad Coleman (the man who portrayed Cutty, Coach, and Fred Fucking Johnson) is playing a bitter traditionalist housewife.

 

[TVB]

Yeah, though the repeated 'religion baaaad' from season 1 to 2 was getting really tiring. Come on, Seth, you could've gone for literally anything else. For fuck's sake, you made the race that worshipped one of your crew members as gods become gods, you fuck.

Seth, being a diehard atheist, has always been vocally preachy about "muh Christianity bad, reeeeee." Remember, Brian Griffin is literally his fursona.