The Death Penalty - To what degree is it right or wrong?

[Equal Rights for Androids]

It's a slippery slope. I feel the Death Penalty is a viable punishment, but never in circumstantial cases. Is there straight up physical evidence? Footage? Fingerprints on the murder weapon? Yeah, they should get the Death Penalty. Especially with those who commit more than 1 murder or so, because I feel like 1 can still be given reasonable explanation, say in life or death situations or just freak accidents.

The problem is, I don't trust the government beyond that. Murder charges are one thing, a person is dead, and if the body is found then it's an indisputable fact. But rape charges? Abuse charges? There's too much potential for people that the government dislikes to suddenly end up being charged with multiple counts of rape and put on death row.

With the advent of AI being able to create video footage, I would wager that soon, not all forms of video evidence will be reliable. Fingerprints on a murder weapon is not irrefutable. They can be staged.

There is certain crime evidence that is irrefutable, in that there is no reason beyond any and all doubt that a person did it: DNA on the private area or within the private area of a rape victim. Rape kits that collect this data on children and find the rapist's DNA should be an automatic death sentence. Semen in the child is irrefutable proof. I don't think a death sentence should automatically be applied on 18+ individuals due to Me Too culture and retroactively withdrawing consent and drunk sex, but a minor cannot consent and therefor is perfect for the death penalty. Once a child rapist, always a child rapist. <5% of rapists regret raping someone. They regret other things (the harm it caused to others, having to spend time in prison as a result, etc). They don't regret raping the victim.

 

[Beebo]

I wouldn't execute some random murderers, but i see no reason to keep alive some school shooter who shot 20 people and the act had like 100 witnesses and a mountain of all kinds of physical evidence.

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

I believe that the following crimes do deserve the death penalty of the harshest magnitude.

-Child abuse
-Homicide
-Pedophillia
-Zoosadism
-Armed Burglary
-Rape
-Home Invasion
-Looting
-Car Jacking
-Scamming/phishing
-Ransomware
-Malware
-Antifa activities
-Arson
-Human Trafficking
-Performing abortions
-Enforcing a unconstitutional Vaccine mandate
-Drug trafficking.
-Finally, for promoting communism.

And the death penalty in my books will not be just a lethal injection. It would be bloody torture. The courts can’t just say “I love you, you love me” to these motherfucking bitches who fucking traumatized innocent middle class folks who are trying to get by.

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You fucking don’t.

There is no degree to where it’s wrong if the crime severely harms the innocent.

Very rarely will innocent people get caught up in this system if the courts still have a “innocent till proven guilty” mindset by the time this ideal form of punishment comes around

In my opinion, any decent government needs to punish the worst of society by literally taking them to funkytown(You should know what the vid is, and it ain’t the song) where they can get punished cartel styled. They need to be taught the harshest way possible. I always want the punishment to be worse than the crime itself.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

When the first Japanese ship travelled to america, with both Japanese and American sailors on board to make the trip, they joticed the water was going down quicker than it should.

Apparently one or multiple people were drinking more than their official rations. The Japanese captain said: "If you notice anyone drinking more than their due, you should kill them immediately. No questions asked."

Somehow from then on, nobody took more than their rations.

It's easy to see factors which contribute to low criminality in Japan. Very punitive justice system is very good for overall lawfulness, especially in the long run (generations). You could aay it would work as an evolutionary pressure.

 

[Otterly]

I think we should have it. In the uk life doesn’t mean life - it’s usually just fifteen years before you can apply for parole. Very few people are serving actual whole life orders and even they can be released in some circumstances. So the worst criminals are really only in jail for life if they’re in a psych secure unit. Even then they can get out. It makes a mockery of the system.
My one hesitation would be that I also don’t trust the state to be an enforcer. We delegate justice to the state to avoid blood feud because a society cannot be civilised if everyone’s killing each other constantly. The state has to hold up their end to make giving up our urge to kill evildoers worth while. When the state fails in that, people don’t feel justice is served and they start to revert to vigilantism and blood field type behaviour.
So don’t worry, if the compact between people and state breaks down any further we will end up with the death penalty - it just won’t be the state enacting it

 

[Tiny Chinaman]

Desantis is about to trick all of the wig nats into voting him over "killing pedos" right
Its a little known fact that Orlando is fully controlled via proxy
Its almost as dumb as calling trump an outsider

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

When the first Japanese ship travelled to america, with both Japanese and American sailors on board to make the trip, they joticed the water was going down quicker than it should.

Apparently one or multiple people were drinking more than their official rations. The Japanese captain said: "If you notice anyone drinking more than their due, you should kill them immediately. No questions asked."

Somehow from then on, nobody took more than their rations.

It's easy to see factors which contribute to low criminality in Japan. Very punitive justice system is very good for overall lawfulness, especially in the long run (generations). You could aay it would work as an evolutionary pressure.

What was to stop the sailors from saying a group of people were taking more rations, so that the murderers would get more rations as there were now fewer mouths to feed?

If the death penalty does work as an effective deterrent to murder and harsh crimes, why do they still occur?

These are genuine questions as I appreciate your posts and viewpoints. I don't always agree with your posts when I read them, but you present your ideas with decency. If my questions come off as snappy, forgive me, they are genuine questions and not reddit-tier gotcha's.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

What was to stop the sailors from saying a group of people were taking more rations, so that the murderers would get more rations as there were now fewer mouths to feed

There were like 20 people on board of that ship an no shortage of rations if people didn't overconsume.

The risk of not having the manpower to complete the journey.

If the death penalty does work as an effective detterent to murder and harsh crimes, why do they still occur?

Same reason infertile people are born. There may be evolutionary pressures against something but it doesn't eliminate something altogether. Life is imperfect.

On top of that mass immigration from placea that don't have this render it moot.

 

[Male Idiot]

Sometimes, yeah it can be useful.

But a lifelong sentence of medical experiments and psychologic analysis also sounds good.

Revenge or reform is the big silly of the modern justice system.

You don't jail people to punish or reform them, you jail them to protect others.

Did Ted Bundy deserve his death? Yeah.
But they could have studied him and kept him in a dark, small cell.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Also, if executions were televised or live streamed, would you watch them?

Fun fact, it is actually a violation of the First Amendment for the state to forbid someone to watch an excecution in US (bar some reasonable regulation). See:
"We hold that Procedure 770 is an exaggerated, unreasonable response to prison officials' legitimate concerns about the safety of prison staff and thereby unconstitutionally restricts the public's First Amendment right to view executions from the moment the condemned is escorted into the execution chamber." "In Section I, we reach the question and conclude that the public does indeed enjoy a First Amendment right of access to view executions from the moment the condemned is escorted into the execution chamber. However, as we discuss in Section II — where we articulate the level of scrutiny that applies to Procedure 770 — the public's right of access may be reasonably limited. " see California First Amendment Coal. v. Woodford, 299 F.3d 868 (9th Cir. 2002)

 

[Spud]

Semen in the child is irrefutable proof

You know what a turkey baster does and what other applications it can be used for right? Morbid thought but someone one day will go that far if that's the line for irrefutable proof.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

You know what a turkey baster does and what other applications it can be used for right? Morbid thought but someone one day will go that far if that's the line for irrefutable proof.

In either case I don't think the imperfections of court system are really arguments against specific punishments.

Every attempt of making punishments lighter are just as exploitable or more so.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

You know what a turkey baster does and what other applications it can be used for right? Morbid thought but someone one day will go that far if that's the line for irrefutable proof.

He better have a good fucking alibi because I cannot find a single court case where this has happened, not even to get a husband in trouble.

 

[Spud]

I cannot find a single court case where this has happened

I know it hasn't happened yet but I'm not going to underestimate humans when it comes to depravity

 

[SwanSwanson]

The guy who just shot that kid for knocking on his door should face the death penalty.

 

[Kürtzl]

Im for it, though with additional securitys built in.
Youre judge and sign of on a killing for someone but it turns out he didnt have it coming?
Now you too may sit on the funny shocky chair.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Cost of keeping someone in prison vs cost of killing them?

I’d like to see euthanasia an option for anyone in prison for over 15 years on certain convictions.

Like, just “It’s on the table if you want it.” Has Canada done this yet?

 

[RMQualtrough]

I don't like it. It's creepy for one thing.

Sentences should be carried out instantly by gunshot if used.

The woman who abused Sylvia Likens should have gotten death. These "crimes that shock the nation" type events. Not normal murders, but real sadistic shit.

Cost of keeping someone in prison vs cost of killing them?

I’d like to see euthanasia an option for anyone in prison for over 15 years on certain convictions.

Like, just “It’s on the table if you want it.” Has Canada done this yet?

Very good idea. Some inmates could choose euthanasia at any point in their sentence.

I actually wouldn't be against the termination of those for whom it is determined that they cannot possibly be rehabilitated and are definite threats to the lives of others. The issue is that unless you can figure out an exception for such cases to the usual rules for capital punishment and keep it from being abused somehow, you're going to have to run all capital cases through the same series of appeals taking the same amount of time and money anyway.

I'm of the opinion that there are worse things than death, anyhow.

Also: anyone who would watch a livestreamed execution might have serious issues.

EDIT: It should be noted that in the initial hypothetical I posited we're assuming we have the killer dead-to-rights, no mistake about it, and that there's no reason to believe that an appeal will result in the sentence being fucked with.

They should be given drugs which, not by torturous means, but simple mind alteration, would make these people euphoric for death.

Make them want to die by the thought of it sparking intense joy.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

Cost of keeping someone in prison vs cost of killing them?

I’d like to see euthanasia an option for anyone in prison for over 15 years on certain convictions.

Like, just “It’s on the table if you want it.” Has Canada done this yet?

>have sex with girl
>she later regrets it and claims you raped her
>rapekit shows your DNA in her
>you have no evidence that it was consensual
>get sentenced to 15+ years based on the bullshit she claims
>die because of some dumb bitch

okay i guess

 

[anustart76]

I want to support it in theory, but do you really trust government not to kill off innocent people, whether by incompetence or outright malice? I certainly don't; just look at how badly some judges have been behaving in recent years, with people like Alex Jones. Imagine if the judge or jury from the Trump defamation case were at the Rittenhouse case, that kid would be dead for defending himself.

At least life sentences mean there's some chance of exoneration for an innocent person. And better 100 guilty escape than one innocent suffer.