The Death Penalty - To what degree is it right or wrong?

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The death penalty should be used.


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I'm perfectly on board with the idea that certain people guilty of especially heinous crimes deserve to die and the world is better off without them in it. Murder, rape, torture, and child-touching are all qualifying crimes imo.

However, the government is an absolute clusterfuck of combined incompetence and maliciousness, so I do not (and probably could never) trust them with that power. The best solution is probably for the murderers/rapists/torturers/kiddy-diddlers to get mandatory life sentences with no possibility of parole instead. Every single time our shitfuck of a justice system lets out a child molester after some retardedly small sentence like three years, they have put the rest of society in completely unjustifiable danger.

They can let all the fucking pot smokers out while they're at it, too.
 
I think nuance is required to allow the death penalty. Something that should only be allowed when the accused pleads guilty or if the evidence is overwhelming.

I also believe the only way to do it is firing squad. Three volleys done by six men, only three real bullets between them (one for each volley). Enough to be sure and everyone is culpable and still deniable.

Or maybe just hanging. I'm not too sure how quick a death is by hanging though.
 
I'm in favor of the death penalty for murderers and I think it should be extended to rapists and child molesters (since the death penalty was re-instituted in 1976, the Supreme Court made sure that rapists and molesters are ineligible for death penalty convictions unless the crime is directly tied to a murder) but I am firmly against life sentencing, especially life without parole.

The whole "Life without parole" trend is part of why our prisons are so overcrowded and dysfunctional, along with the spike in mass incarcerations following the War on Drugs and the Clinton-era War on Crime.

Personally, if I were in charge, I'd abolish life sentencing in all fifty states and automatically commute all life sentences or make it to where the offender has to be re-sentenced depending on the crime. There's a lot of lifers who would've got the death penalty in states that hadn't abolished the practice or were able to get a competent enough lawyer or plea deal to get life without parole instead of execution.

Unfortunately, when the Supreme Court overturned life sentencing for juvenile offenders, they left a loophole that has allowed a lot of states to simply uphold the original life sentence when re-sentenced since the prisoners in question are no longer juveniles and so the courts will just automatically reissue the original sentence.

The way I would have it be done, lifers have to be resentenced. All lifers who were convicted before the age of 21 get their sentence fully commuted and are released, while other lifers get a new sentencing to determine if they will get a reduced sentence, a fully commuted/overturned sentence, or the death penalty.

All executions will be done by firing squad. Despite being the most humane way of execution, it's heavily stigmatized and demonized in America, even in pro-death penalty states. Hanging was the most common form of execution in the United States since Jamestown and later was supplanted by the electric chair and lethal injection, but firing squad has always been a rarity in American executions, outside of military executions and a few isolated cases in Utah.

Part of it is the whole issue of deniability and culpability of the executioners and I'd wager part of it has to do with the firing squad being seen as the method of executing political prisoners and dissidents, particularly in communist regimes (Nicholas II was wrongfully executed by a Bolshevik firing squad along with his wife and children) and I'd say that a lot of "Red Scare" paranoia had to do with many states that had the death penalty explicitly outlawing firing squads in favor of the electric chair and lethal injection, since the original wave of anticommunist sentiment in the 1920's also roughly coincided with the decline of hanging and the rise of the electric chair as a replacement (although Ol' Sparky had been used since the 1890's, hangings were more common until the 1920's and 1930's in many places)

Basically, I believe we need to abolish life sentencing altogether and make the death penalty an option for certain specific crimes in all fifty states.
 
If you rape or kill someone we should kill you. I'm not very fond of the modern impulse to virtue signal how kind and merciful society is, the main reason our society is so fucked is because of how soft we've become.

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” - Starship Troopers
 
There's just too many error factors, for me to support it. Our justice system isn't ever going to be 100% error free, and that's the only way I'd support the death penalty.

Perhaps in extreme cases, like war crimes (the Nuremberg trials, Osama Bin Laden, etc), and I can't say I feel bad when someone is executed, but honestly, do people really think life in prison is somehow a picnic? Let them rot and think about what they did.
 
As I said elsewhere, let the punishment fit the crime. If the offender has made one or more parties suffer, have the offender suffer the equal amount, at least.

I'm all for televising executions. Not only give the profit to the victims' families, but also illustrate just what will happen when you step over the line.
 
What happens when we inevitable fuck up and skin a innocent man alive and the entire countries watches?
First, I'm not advocating torturous executions like being skinned alive to be the norm. Save those for the absolute scum that you know they did it. Secondly, something like that should motivate the judicial system to make sure whomever is on the chopping block does deserve it. Sure, innocent people have gotten the shaft, but a few goofs here and there is a small price to pay for taking care of humanity's undesirables.
 
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First, I'm not advocating torturous executions like being skinned alive to be the norm. Save those for the absolute scum that you know they did it.

So you are then?
Secondly, something like that should motivate the judicial system to make sure whomever is on the chopping block does deserve it.
How do we do that?
Sure, innocent people have gotten the shaft, but a few goofs here and there is a small price to pay for taking care of humanity's undesirables.

That sounds like too high a price especially considering the state is now guilty of the sadistic murder of innocents so in off itself is founded on hypocrisy. Also what makes you think exceptionally nasty public executions will stop crime considering historically they havnt?
 
So you are then?

How do we do that?


That sounds like too high a price especially considering the state is now guilty of the sadistic murder of innocents so in off itself is founded on hypocrisy. Also what makes you think exceptionally nasty public executions will stop crime considering historically they havnt?
No, I'm not. Unless you think the worst people getting the axe would be the norm.

Look deeper into cases. Actually take the time to determine if someone is guilty or not. Don't be a corrupt piece of shit.

I never said it would halt crime outright; just give criminals fair warning of what they're in for.
 
No, I'm not. Unless you think the worst people getting the axe would be the norm.

Look deeper into cases. Actually take the time to determine if someone is guilty or not. Don't be a corrupt piece of shit.

I never said it would halt crime outright; just give criminals fair warning of what they're in for.

Well we've already established a proportional response system so you are in fact arguing for that if the situation demands it.

We already do that, if anything the possibility of human torture will actually be disruptive to law enforcement for a number of reasons, not in the least because you're effectively looking for someone whose expected to generate a compartable level of cruelty to a gang rape torture session.

I'm not convinced giving criminals a fair warning is actually worth inevitably killing an innocent man in a gruesome spectable on live TV, medieval people are genrally considered pretty fucked up and their system for law enforcement makes our look amazing, This system your proposing has nothing going for it.
 
I think the bloodeagle or drawing and quartering should be brought back, and imprisoned criminals forced to witness it.
 
Well we've already established a proportional response system so you are in fact arguing for that if the situation demands it.

We already do that, if anything the possibility of human torture will actually be disruptive to law enforcement for a number of reasons, not in the least because you're effectively looking for someone whose expected to generate a compartable level of cruelty to a gang rape torture session.

I'm not convinced giving criminals a fair warning is actually worth inevitably killing an innocent man in a gruesome spectable on live TV, medieval people are genrally considered pretty fucked up and their system for law enforcement makes our look amazing, This system your proposing has nothing going for it.
Then what do you propose the system should be?
 
I agree with the death penalty for kiddie fiddlers, rapists, murderers and corrupt politicians/bankers.
But, with thousands of animals suffering on medical experiments, instead we could use degenerates bodies to fill this role. Not only the results would be more accurate, but, we save innocent creatures who just happened to exist.
 
I agree with the death penalty for kiddie fiddlers, rapists, murderers and corrupt politicians/bankers.
But, with thousands of animals suffering on medical experiments, instead we could use degenerates bodies to fill this role. Not only the results would be more accurate, but, we save innocent creatures who just happened to exist.
You are giving the government a direct incentive to find innocent people guilty to fuel medical experimentation.
 
For 100% verifiable cases for the extremist of crimes I'm game for it, hell why not sell tickets and t-shirts for it and use the money to build roads and stuffing cash into crooked politicians pockets while your at it. Make it a fucking business. Make money and make goofs think twice of committing crimes against humanity seems like a win win to me.
 
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