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Exactly. I mean, having Dracula in a movie running around, seducing young women just to drink their blood doesn't mean the studio wants men to perv on women and drink their blood or something.
Not to mention that wouldn't you want a racist who uses slurs get their face punched in? You can have a bad guy who liberally calls black people "NIGGERS" get the shit kicked out of him by a black man.
Since he's been mentioned, for all the shit I'll give Alan Moore for being a self professed communist wizard, I do think he at least used to be able to write characters with a lot of nuance, even if his reaction to Rorschach's popularity seems to belie that fact.
In Watchmen, one of my favorite scenes is in the chapter Absent Friends, which is primarily about establishing how much of an absolute piece of shit the Comedian is, From murdering a woman who was probably carrying his kid, to attempting to rape one of his team members, you are clearly not supposed to like the guy. But there's a scene later, where the Comedian shows up to the former supervillain Moloch's home, weeping and frantically trying to understand Ozymandias' grand plan, and this character who we've seen be a complete psychotic bastard, is horrified at the scale of the coming destruction.
Or in V for Vendetta, one of the members of the Larkhill concentration camps is sincerely repentant for all the horror that she caused, and has a conversation with V when he breaks into her house. One detail I appreciate in the movie version, is she apologizes after V has already revealed that he's killed her, meaning that you can't read it as her trying to plead for her life.
Delia Surridge: Are you going to kill me?
V:(produces a syringe) I killed you ten minutes ago while you slept.
Delia Surridge: Is there any pain?
V: No.
Delia Surridge: Thank you. Is it meaningless to apologize?
And I have plenty of issues with V for Vendetta, I think V's anarchism plan is almost childish in how fucking naive it is. But the thing that Moore got, that Kripke seems not to, is that even the bad guys in cyncial works can have better angels of their nature. In The Boys, at some point, just slaughtering every supe en masse seems to be the morally correct decision, because there are like 3 that aren't completely deranged psychosexual nutters.
In Watchmen, one of my favorite scenes is in the chapter Absent Friends, which is primarily about establishing how much of an absolute piece of shit the Comedian is, From murdering a woman who was probably carrying his kid, to attempting to rape one of his team members, you are clearly not supposed to like the guy. But there's a scene later, where the Comedian shows up to the former supervillain Moloch's home, weeping and frantically trying to understand Ozymandias' grand plan, and this character who we've seen be a complete psychotic bastard, is horrified at the scale of the coming destruction.
it's also so utterly ridiculous and absurdly nihilistic that it makes him realize what a massive asshole he's been and want to die
or at least that's one way to read it
It seems like Moore wanted Ozymandias to be wrong in some way, but then has everyone but the actual hero of the story (Rorschach) abide by his absurd bullshit.
When Garth Ennis made the Supes more nuanced you know there's something wrong with you as a writer.
But Kripkike wasn't interested in nuances, he wanted to see violent revenge fantasies acted out on pastiches of fictional characters he hates. I wouldn't be shocked if he viewed Superman the same way he views Homelander.
When Garth Ennis made the Supes more nuanced you know there's something wrong with you as a writer.
But Kripkike wasn't interested in nuances, he wanted to see violent revenge fantasies acted out on pastiches of fictional characters he hates. I wouldn't be shocked if he viewed Superman the same way he views Homelander.
When Garth Ennis made the Supes more nuanced you know there's something wrong with you as a writer.
But Kripkike wasn't interested in nuances, he wanted to see violent revenge fantasies acted out on pastiches of fictional characters he hates. I wouldn't be shocked if he viewed Superman the same way he views Homelander.
He could've still had that without fucking the characters into the dirt.
Like I said, the show could've had its own Trump expy, separate from Homelander. Then you can later have Homelander and Soldier Boy kill the guy when the dude's tariff wars and immigrant crackdowns start to hurt Vought's bottom line, and the Vought shareholders walk up to Homelander and ask him to rectify the situation.
it's also so utterly ridiculous and absurdly nihilistic that it makes him realize what a massive asshole he's been and want to die
or at least that's one way to read it
It seems like Moore wanted Ozymandias to be wrong in some way, but then has everyone but the actual hero of the story (Rorschach) abide by his absurd bullshit.
Alan Moore wanted both sides to be right and wrong on their own way. Especially since the Cold War was still going on when Watchmen was made. Rorshach was the idealist, Ozymandias was the pragmatist.
But post-1991, everyone just looks at Ozymandias like he's a fucking coward, since the Soviets were going to collapse anyways. So staging a false-flag attack on NYC to get the Soviets to negotiate made no sense to the post-USSR mindset.
