The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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It is also because that crowd can't comprehend that depiction is not always endorsement.
Exactly. I mean, having Dracula in a movie running around, seducing young women just to drink their blood doesn't mean the studio wants men to perv on women and drink their blood or something.

Not to mention that wouldn't you want a racist who uses slurs get their face punched in? You can have a bad guy who liberally calls black people "NIGGERS" get the shit kicked out of him by a black man.
 
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Since he's been mentioned, for all the shit I'll give Alan Moore for being a self professed communist wizard, I do think he at least used to be able to write characters with a lot of nuance, even if his reaction to Rorschach's popularity seems to belie that fact.

In Watchmen, one of my favorite scenes is in the chapter Absent Friends, which is primarily about establishing how much of an absolute piece of shit the Comedian is, From murdering a woman who was probably carrying his kid, to attempting to rape one of his team members, you are clearly not supposed to like the guy. But there's a scene later, where the Comedian shows up to the former supervillain Moloch's home, weeping and frantically trying to understand Ozymandias' grand plan, and this character who we've seen be a complete psychotic bastard, is horrified at the scale of the coming destruction.

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Or in V for Vendetta, one of the members of the Larkhill concentration camps is sincerely repentant for all the horror that she caused, and has a conversation with V when he breaks into her house. One detail I appreciate in the movie version, is she apologizes after V has already revealed that he's killed her, meaning that you can't read it as her trying to plead for her life.

Delia Surridge: Are you going to kill me?​
V: (produces a syringe) I killed you ten minutes ago while you slept.​
Delia Surridge: Is there any pain?​
V: No.​
Delia Surridge: Thank you. Is it meaningless to apologize?​
V: Never.​
Delia Surridge: I'm so sorry.​

And I have plenty of issues with V for Vendetta, I think V's anarchism plan is almost childish in how fucking naive it is. But the thing that Moore got, that Kripke seems not to, is that even the bad guys in cyncial works can have better angels of their nature. In The Boys, at some point, just slaughtering every supe en masse seems to be the morally correct decision, because there are like 3 that aren't completely deranged psychosexual nutters.
 
In Watchmen, one of my favorite scenes is in the chapter Absent Friends, which is primarily about establishing how much of an absolute piece of shit the Comedian is, From murdering a woman who was probably carrying his kid, to attempting to rape one of his team members, you are clearly not supposed to like the guy. But there's a scene later, where the Comedian shows up to the former supervillain Moloch's home, weeping and frantically trying to understand Ozymandias' grand plan, and this character who we've seen be a complete psychotic bastard, is horrified at the scale of the coming destruction.
it's also so utterly ridiculous and absurdly nihilistic that it makes him realize what a massive asshole he's been and want to die
or at least that's one way to read it

It seems like Moore wanted Ozymandias to be wrong in some way, but then has everyone but the actual hero of the story (Rorschach) abide by his absurd bullshit.

watchmen was a mistake
 
When Garth Ennis made the Supes more nuanced you know there's something wrong with you as a writer.

But Kripkike wasn't interested in nuances, he wanted to see violent revenge fantasies acted out on pastiches of fictional characters he hates. I wouldn't be shocked if he viewed Superman the same way he views Homelander.
 
When Garth Ennis made the Supes more nuanced you know there's something wrong with you as a writer.

But Kripkike wasn't interested in nuances, he wanted to see violent revenge fantasies acted out on pastiches of fictional characters he hates. I wouldn't be shocked if he viewed Superman the same way he views Homelander.
He also was too retarded to leave the twist from the comic in the show, which also fucked things up a lot.
 
When Garth Ennis made the Supes more nuanced you know there's something wrong with you as a writer.

But Kripkike wasn't interested in nuances, he wanted to see violent revenge fantasies acted out on pastiches of fictional characters he hates. I wouldn't be shocked if he viewed Superman the same way he views Homelander.
He could've still had that without fucking the characters into the dirt.

Like I said, the show could've had its own Trump expy, separate from Homelander. Then you can later have Homelander and Soldier Boy kill the guy when the dude's tariff wars and immigrant crackdowns start to hurt Vought's bottom line, and the Vought shareholders walk up to Homelander and ask him to rectify the situation.

Dehumanizing your villain completely undermines any moral points you can make, because your heroes are engaging in battle with a charicature.
Not to mention that they already humanized Homelander by explaining that he's a prick because of the fact that he was experimented on as a kid.

The fact that they ignored that part of his character in later seasons just goes to show how stupid they are.

it's also so utterly ridiculous and absurdly nihilistic that it makes him realize what a massive asshole he's been and want to die
or at least that's one way to read it

It seems like Moore wanted Ozymandias to be wrong in some way, but then has everyone but the actual hero of the story (Rorschach) abide by his absurd bullshit.
Alan Moore wanted both sides to be right and wrong on their own way. Especially since the Cold War was still going on when Watchmen was made. Rorshach was the idealist, Ozymandias was the pragmatist.

But post-1991, everyone just looks at Ozymandias like he's a fucking coward, since the Soviets were going to collapse anyways. So staging a false-flag attack on NYC to get the Soviets to negotiate made no sense to the post-USSR mindset.

watchmen was a mistake
Alan Moore probably thinks that now, since it inspired God knows how many edgy capeshit heroes who kill the shit out of people like violent lunatics.
 
Tell me WHY THE FUCK does the US government refuse to allow supes in the army?
The US gov. has no way to keep them under control. OK, so you have an army of Supermen - what do you do if they decide to take over your shit? What could you do? Produce another batch of Supermen? What if the second batch does the same?
 
The US gov. has no way to keep them under control. OK, so you have an army of Supermen - what do you do if they decide to take over your shit? What could you do? Produce another batch of Supermen? What if the second batch does the same?
You can program them for absolute loyalty and make it so that they genetically cannot disobey an order from the top.
 
Frank Castle is a violent killdozer, but none of the shitbags he kills ever offend again.
The idea of killer villains repeatedly committing crimes of greater scope and barbarity comes from the bastardization of kids' comics and how they try to make it more adult by having villains repeatedly kill innocents, while the heroes keep sparing them, which make the heroes look stupid.

In any sensible society, murderers are hanged. Or put into maximum-security prisons. Or enslaved. Or sent into cannon fodder brigades. Not put in a revolving door prison which they escape from within weeks.

A no-kill code makes sense when you have villains like the 1980s animated version of GI Joe's Cobra Commander who doesn't kill. A villain like comics Joker who kills repeatedly would've been put to death long before he develops an on-again, off-again relationship with Batman that makes them the superhero/supervillain equivalent of an old married couple.

Frank Castle isn't a hyper-violent edgelord, he's just a man exercising common sense when dealing with murderous thugs.
 
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which make the heroes look stupid.
I don't think it makes heroes look stupid to not execute criminals on the spot, since that goes against what they're supposed to be as characters, but it absolutely makes the setting look stupid. There's no way Gotham would be as soft on crime as it is with how many reoffending terrorists it has. And even if the laws weren't immediately changed to hang The Joker, I can't believe that a police department known for corruption wouldn't take the long way back to jail and play dumb about how only the back seat of their cruiser got ventilated by people they never saw.
 
I don't think it makes heroes look stupid to not execute criminals on the spot, since that goes against what they're supposed to be as characters, but it absolutely makes the setting look stupid. There's no way Gotham would be as soft on crime as it is with how many reoffending terrorists it has. And even if the laws weren't immediately changed to hang The Joker, I can't believe that a police department known for corruption wouldn't take the long way back to jail and play dumb about how only the back seat of their cruiser got ventilated by people they never saw.
HINT: Gotham is Chicago, and just look at how Chicago operates.
 
HINT: Gotham is Chicago, and just look at how Chicago operates.
I get what you're trying to say, but Gotham deals with multiple serial killers and The Joker's seasonal terrorist attacks on top of Chiraqi culture. Then they also have multiple crime families that should want things to be less crazy so they can actually make money.

Gotham is unbelievable. I don't care how low the cost of living is, you'd be better off being homeless in Metropolis than living in a mansion in Gotham.
 
I get what you're trying to say, but Gotham deals with multiple serial killers and The Joker's seasonal terrorist attacks on top of Chiraqi culture. Then they also have multiple crime families that should want things to be less crazy so they can actually make money.

Gotham is unbelievable. I don't care how low the cost of living is, you'd be better off being homeless in Metropolis than living in a mansion in Gotham.
Going back to the Boys, it is kinda funny that replacing Batman with Homelander in Gotham would probably lead to a more stable city, as Homie would probably kill 99% of the Rogues Gallery, leaving Gotham crime more tame once all the whack-jobs die off and are replaced with more mundane mobsters who at most rip off local stores.
 
I get what you're trying to say, but Gotham deals with multiple serial killers and The Joker's seasonal terrorist attacks on top of Chiraqi culture. Then they also have multiple crime families that should want things to be less crazy so they can actually make money.

Gotham is unbelievable. I don't care how low the cost of living is, you'd be better off being homeless in Metropolis than living in a mansion in Gotham.
I mean, living in pretty much any comic city would be a nightmare. Trying to enjoy your weekend, when bam, Darkseid boom-tubes onto mainstreet with an army of parademons, and the rest of your day off is spent in a bunker while the Justice League throws your car at him.
 
I mean, living in pretty much any comic city would be a nightmare. Trying to enjoy your weekend, when bam, Darkseid boom-tubes onto mainstreet with an army of parademons, and the rest of your day off is spent in a bunker while the Justice League throws your car at him.
Not even Riverdale was safe, as Archie meets the Punisher showed us.
 
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