The Birth Control Thread - Because Aunty Flow Motherfucking Blows

[Stan]

I stand by what I say. Up to 30% of women will need to see a doctor after taking these drugs to remove all fetal tissue.

Bullshit again. Here’s what another peer review study, that was actually completed, had to say:

Over 99% of enrolled women completed follow-up (n = 600). Complete abortions occurred in 588 (98·0%) cases, with ten incomplete abortions and two continuing pregnancies.

If 98% had complete abortions, that means 2% required further follow up. 2% is not 30%. You have yet to cite that claim.

well within a window of needing emergency services, yet get your nickers in a knot over a legit ongoing urinalyses study which you claim is impossible in the first place

According the the clinical trials.gov page you gave me, the research on that project concluded in 2017. And they did publish something with that dataset, but they don’t mention squat about mifepristone in urine. That would suggest they weren’t able to tell who used mifepristone based on urinalysis. That’s called a negative finding, aka: you are wrong!

It’s not a ‘complication’ it’s a normal part of a process that should be medically supervised

A previous collection of studies which you refused to read specifically addressed this. You’re wrong again. Nuff said.

I actually just don’t care about arguing about an off topic political subject with a brick wall hon. Especially based on your spergery earlier itt. You sent me a fucking Cosmo article, two shill articles, and a study specifically talking about blood detection,

The brick wall here is actually you. I am reading your studies and even looking for their findings for you. You refuse to read mine for dumb reasons like “PP are shills” and “cosmo” (which you seem to think can’t publish facts about abortion?? you are very biased.)

Edit to add: Im up to 8 articles now, including peer review studies, and including a research finding from your side of the aisle that you were too dumb or lazy to find.)

 

[Ghjkl63]

What some good ways to help women in states that are now outlawing abortion? I already donate to abortion funds, but I'm wondering if any cowgirls have ideas for other actions I can take.

dont have recreational sex

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Ladies, ladies, you're both super pretty.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

you are very biased.

I’m the one telling you not to trust a liberal leaning Women’s magazine or people trying to sell you shit for adequate medical advice. The epitome of bias.

Ultimately I don’t give a shit if only .0002% of women will die from home abortion, that’s too many. If you want to further debate this take it elsewhere because we’re shitting up a thread with irrelevant arguing.

Edit: Linking the FDA data for mifepristone for anyone reading this thread so they understand the risks before going off and ordering from some unsavory online pharmacy or taking rando biased internet advice. There is and always will be risk without medical intervention.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2000/20687lbl.htm

 

[Stan]

I’m the one telling you not to trust a liberal leaning Women’s magazine or people trying to sell you shit for adequate medical advice. The epitome of bias.

Ultimately I don’t give a shit if only .0002% of women will die from home abortion, that’s too many. If you want to further debate this take it elsewhere because we’re shitting up a thread with irrelevant arguing.

No our irrelevant arguing is happening in DMs sweetie.

I don’t know where you got the impression that I think DIY abortions are good or preferable to a physician managed one. They’re not and my first post about this listed 4 alternatives to getting mystery pills in the mail. That’s a last resort.

Problem is: if you’re in Poland, or Ireland, or flyover country, and you can’t travel to somewhere that will get you an abortion, you may try this. And the West Indies study I found for you confirms this isn’t a great idea. However, telemedicine managed abortions are safe. Going to blue states for an abortion is safe.

You are overstating the dangers of getting a medication abortion by an order of magnitude, saying that 30% of women who get the pill will need D&C when the number is more like 3%.

You said that doctors can tell whether they’ve used the abortion pill with a simple piss test. That also turned out not be true. They might be able to detect with mass spectrometer; I find it unlikely that a clinical provider would be able to do that in time to detect, and your own source, the West Indies study, tried to do that and wasn’t able to.

You’re spreading misinformation to make abortion look more dangerous and less effective than it really is. I don’t see how this amounts to caring about women.

 

[Ghjkl63]

Kids please, you're both equally awful.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

No our irrelevant arguing is happening in DMs sweetie.

I don’t know where you got the impression that I think DIY abortions are good or preferable to a physician managed one. They’re not and my first post about this listed 4 alternatives to getting mystery pills in the mail. That’s a last resort.

Problem is: if you’re in Poland, or Ireland, or flyover country, and you can’t travel to somewhere that will get you an abortion, you may try this. And the West Indies study I found for you confirms this isn’t a great idea. However, telemedicine managed abortions are safe. Going to blue states for an abortion is safe.

You are overstating the dangers of getting a medication abortion by an order of magnitude, saying that 30% of women who get the pill will need D&C when the number is more like 3%.

You said that doctors can tell whether they’ve used the abortion pill with a simple piss test. That also turned out not be true. They might be able to detect with mass spectrometer; I find it unlikely that a clinical provider would be able to do that in time to detect, and your own source, the West Indies study, tried to do that and wasn’t able to.

You’re spreading misinformation to make abortion look more dangerous and less effective than it really is. I don’t see how this amounts to caring about women.

Fucking hell you’re still going. I said move it to DM to stop shitting up the thread, not sperg in two places.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

I'm thinking about getting a copper iud. Currently not on any birth control besides abstinence. What're the pros/cons? Alternative options? I do plan on getting my tubes tied but it's not an option in the immediate future

What sucks with IUD is that when and if you have bad side effects, you usually have to pay full price to remove them (at least in the US with medical insurance) unless the device is considered "expired". I had a mirena-- okay that's not a copper IUD-- but I had an explosion of body acne, persistent infections, and some other weird side effects. Naturally, the doctor dismissed my claims. They always fucking do, especially if you are a healthy looking young female. Anyway... Doctor also said it would probably cost full price to get it removed because it wasn't considered "expired" yet. Insurance will not cover removal costs unless there was uterine perforation, a pregnancy, or if the device was considered old and needed to be replaced.

 

[Stan]

Fucking hell you’re still going. I said move it to DM to shop shitting up the thread, not sperg in two places.

You’re still shilling right wing chestnuts in the birth control thread that abortion is super dangerous and the doctors will know, when your own preferred sources say the opposite.

 

[Angel Dust]

What sucks with IUD is that when and if you have bad side effects, you usually have to pay full price to remove them (at least in the US with medical insurance) unless the device is considered "expired". I had a mirena-- okay that's not a copper IUD-- but I had an explosion of body acne, persistent infections, and some other weird side effects. Naturally, the doctor dismissed my claims. They always fucking do, especially if you are a healthy looking young female. Anyway... Doctor also said it would probably cost full price to get it removed because it wasn't considered "expired" yet. Insurance will not cover removal costs unless there was uterine perforation, a pregnancy, or if the device was considered old and needed to be replaced.

Fuck it maybe I will just go tubal ligation route.

 

[Stan]

What sucks with IUD is that when and if you have bad side effects, you usually have to pay full price to remove them

You could remove it yourself if you can feel the strings at the end of the cervix. Not recommended though, since you can’t really see what you’re doing or get a good grip.

I’m still a fan of the copper IUD, it’ll last a decade and comes out pretty easy. The first time they put it in you hurts a lot, but can’t be worse than tubal ligation surgery. I’ve been using IUDs since 2015 and it’s nice cause I don’t have to do anything really.

I do have one IUD horror story to tell, from China in the bad old days of One Child Policy. When women in China broke the policy more than once, the surgeon would push in a ring-shaped iud right after birth. The cervix is open right after childbirth but it shrinks back, so the ring won’t come out. Even now my MIL calls my IUD “the loop”, referring to the shape of that IUD design. Women who wanted the circle IUD out would need to go to Hong Kong and get it surgically removed on the DL. Needless to say that history makes IUDs unpopular in China.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

You could remove it yourself if you can feel the strings at the end of the cervix. Not recommended though, since you can’t really see what you’re doing or get a good grip.

Please don’t do this ffs. This shouldn’t even be suggested as a possibility.

The IUD should in theory fold upwards for easy passage when traction is put on the string in a somewhat precise direction, but gynecologists use a special clamp for this that makes it easier, and whether you can do it yourself depends on the length of the string (they’re cutting the strings somewhat shorter these days for added comfort) and your ability to pinch and and pull it with your finger. The majority of women will have difficulty and pain, which it shouldn’t entail at an OB/GYN. Even then you’re potentially introducing bacteria into your vagina and risking infection by creating tears along your cervix. That’s not even taking into account the (sometimes permanent) damage that you could potentially do to yourself or even breaking the device in the process, you have no idea if it could be embedded either. You might only get it half way out, then you have to go to the doctor regardless. Yes people do it, but the overwhelming majority of doctors would tell you it’s a pretty bad idea.

 

[LurkNoMore]

I'd rather someone be given the ability to safely end a pregnancy if they're that mentally fragile or immature.

Allow me to abort or the baby gets it!

Not exactly the most convincing of arguments.

 

[Stan]

Please don’t do this ffs. This shouldn’t even be suggested as a possibility.

Honestly I agree. And to extend an apology; I don’t think people should DIY abortion with pills either. It is just barely better than the proverbial coat hanger or weird herbal cocktail

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Honestly I agree. And to extend an apology; I don’t think people should DIY abortion with pills either. It is just barely better than the proverbial coat hanger or weird herbal cocktail

Thank you and likewise.

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

You niggers need to just wear two condoms.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

Fuck it maybe I will just go tubal ligation route.

Honestly, best decision I ever made.

 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

Honestly this thread taught me more about contraception than however many years of Europoor public schooling and sex ed. The only thing I knew prior to this is the fact that they exist and that my gf PL:(who might or might not lurk this place) pops the pills. It's interesting to see what people on the other side of the gender isle deal with without having to go read some psychotic r/subreddit.

Rock on fem Kiwis

 

[eternal dog mongler]

What sucks with IUD is that when and if you have bad side effects, you usually have to pay full price to remove them (at least in the US with medical insurance) unless the device is considered "expired". I had a mirena-- okay that's not a copper IUD-- but I had an explosion of body acne, persistent infections, and some other weird side effects. Naturally, the doctor dismissed my claims. They always fucking do, especially if you are a healthy looking young female. Anyway... Doctor also said it would probably cost full price to get it removed because it wasn't considered "expired" yet. Insurance will not cover removal costs unless there was uterine perforation, a pregnancy, or if the device was considered old and needed to be replaced.

I've never charged for it... if it's within a few months it will slide out with the ring forceps no problem. It literally takes me 30 seconds.

If the strings decided to get all up in your uterus then it will be more difficult. Like, cytobrush or the hook. I wouldn't recommend googling either of those.

 

[Android raptor]

I'm thinking about getting a copper iud. Currently not on any birth control besides abstinence. What're the pros/cons? Alternative options? I do plan on getting my tubes tied but it's not an option in the immediate future

Copper iuds main prevent pregnancy and I hear can make your periods worse, though I think someone ITT had the opposite result.

I have a hormonal IUD and it's incredible, but that's not an option for women who's bodies hate all hormonal BC.

My best advice is to go to PP or the health department and talk to the health workers there and see what they recommend. I was worried about having a bad reaction to hormonal BC, so they prescribed me the minipill (which has less hormones) for a couple months to make sure I didn't get a bad reaction.

Allow me to abort or the baby gets it!

Not exactly the most convincing of arguments.

You do realize infanticide was more or less the OG form of family planning before safe and reliable abortion/contraception methods existed? And will no doubt make a comeback in some capacity in abortion ban states, because that's whats happened in other parts of the world that have gone back on female bodily autonomy rights?