The Birth Control Thread - Because Aunty Flow Motherfucking Blows
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What's up, sluts? I'm a happily married bitch who never wants babies.
I've mentioned tubal to my doctor and she goes "nah you want IUD." I U Don't. Heard too many horror stories and if I'm changing BC methods it better be to something permanent.
I'm about to go back and tell her to spay me like a goddamn beagle what with the new Supreme Court decision and all. Someone way back mentioned salpingectomy - is this "better" than a traditional tubal? My main concern with tubal is that apparently if you get it too young it's got a good chance of failing.
Mr Polexio has mentioned vasectomy but he's kind of scared about it and I'm not trying to tell him what to do with his balls if he doesn't want it.
I've mentioned tubal to my doctor and she goes "nah you want IUD." I U Don't. Heard too many horror stories and if I'm changing BC methods it better be to something permanent.
I'm about to go back and tell her to spay me like a goddamn beagle what with the new Supreme Court decision and all. Someone way back mentioned salpingectomy - is this "better" than a traditional tubal? My main concern with tubal is that apparently if you get it too young it's got a good chance of failing.
Mr Polexio has mentioned vasectomy but he's kind of scared about it and I'm not trying to tell him what to do with his balls if he doesn't want it.
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You can already give up your newborn child without further obligation in literally all states. They passed those laws so you don't do that.
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Truly, with several states’ abortion bans, the firehouse abandoned newborn industry is gonna boom!
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I'm thinking about getting a copper iud. Currently not on any birth control besides abstinence. What're the pros/cons? Alternative options? I do plan on getting my tubes tied but it's not an option in the immediate future
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Vasectomies without insurance are like 1000 bucks, salpingo without insurance is like 6000 bucks. Vasectomy have way less risk of failure and complications too.
I think a reason docs would push IUDs is because they don't use general anesthesia so you don't have the risks and costs that go along with that.
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No. If you use common abortion drugs they can and will test you. Urine testing is often standard procedure for women coming to emergency departments with pregnancy related issues, if abortion is penalized then urine screens will be the easiest way to tell the difference between women miscarrying and those who are using drugs to induce. It’s common procedure in many Latin American countries where these drugs are readily available and abortion has restrictions. Even if you take a vow of silence they’ll know by your piss.
A better idea is to use birth control that has high effective rates like IUDs or getting your tubes tied. The medical advice being given out here is both irresponsible and dangerous. There’s no such thing as a ‘safe’ self induced abortion.
Edit: I’m not interested in debating the political aspects of abortion here, I am saying that it is not worth your life. You have no way of knowing if you’ll need D&C to fully remove the tissue, sepsis is a very real risk. To suggest ways to ‘go it alone’ to other women is putting them at risk. Don’t do that.
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I would continue to push for it. Depending on how young you are, you may have the best luck getting it done via tubal clip as opposed to cauterization. If you are absolutely sure that you personally never want children, I would advise that you get sterilized instead of your husband. You never know what can happen in the future, and if something happens and you lose your husband (either via divorce or death), you would have to worry about pregnancy if you choose to date again.
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And it helps, but when we see people who throw away newborns, it's because they can't handle the fact that this BIG PROBLEM WITH LITERALLY NO SOLUTIONS (their mindset, not mine) is here and crying. I'm not saying it's correct, I LOVE that baby hatches are a thing, and unless I were in a horrible, 'Child Called It' kind of awful situation, I wouldn't do it, but the fact is that some people do, and criminalizing abortion won't stop them. I'd rather someone be given the ability to safely end a pregnancy if they're that mentally fragile or immature.
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Bilateral salpingectomies are better in that they have a lower chance of pregnancy, and come with a reduced risk of ovarian cancer. They're basically irreversible, and that can scare doctors off, especially for younger patients. They're also a bit more expensive.
Generally the easier to reverse the sterilization method is, the more likely it is to fail. If your major concern is chance of failure, then a bisalp is probably better. If they're only willing to do a tubal, then ask about the method. Procedures where they actually cut/remove part of the tube tend to be more effective than those that use clips/ring/etc.
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Wrong! You are wrong.
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Medication abortion is too biologically similar to natural miscarriage for providers to know the difference with piss tests or blood tests. That final source goes into granular detail about the metabolization of the drug and why it’s not possible to detect it.
Edit: and before you point to the “within 4-6 hours to detect metabolites of abortion medication”: first off, it takes a couple days for the medication to work, so unlikely women are going to go to the ER within any theoretical detection window. That detection window includes the time you spend loafing in the waiting room, time for your sample to get to the lab, and however long it takes your lab tech to load your sample in the mass spectrometer (that no clinical lab has.)
Second off: these guys aren’t using a dumb immunoassay, where you pee on a stick and the indicator comes back with one line for negative and two for positive. In order to detect the abortion medication they used mass spectrometers, which is neither common nor easily interpreted.
Tl;dr It’s Nawt truuuu
2nd edit: you’re dumb Colonel Gaddafi. Show me a source of anyone in Latin America getting caught using mifepristone via urinalysis. I will wait.
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>first source is Cosmopolitan
>second and third sources are websites trying to sell you pills
>fourth talks about blood detection
Lol.
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From the 4th article:
7. Is there a claim of misoprostol found in other body fluids?
For any other body fluid (fetal blood, urine, breast milk) the same issues of the lack of availability of assays, short half life, and onerous testing procedures apply. However misoprostol acid levels would be even lower in these other fluids and would become undetectable sooner. Consequently, claims of misoprostol detected in most body fluids should be further questioned.
You should really *read* the sources. Nothing is worse than a retard with opinions. You’re spreading misinformation in the thread.
Edit to add: and what the fuck do you have against Cosmo, anyway?
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Because I have better things to do Stan. 80% of the drug is eliminated through urine, testing for it is standard in Latin America and other abortion restrictive countries, so much so that there have been studies done in it. It takes roughly an average of 24 hours for the drug to be eliminated from the body via urine, maybe longer if taken vaginally (in about 40 minutes to 12 hours it’s undetectable in blood samples) while only 1 to 4 for onset of effect of miscarriage. It’s well within the realm of possibility to test for the drug at emergency admission.
The people who tell you it’s not have a vested interest in telling you that either politically or financially. Those who are trying to sell you these pills are scum who masquerade as pro-woman, but don’t give a fuck if you’re going to be one of the 30% who’s going to need further treatment and D&C for potentially life threatening complications after taking the pills. If you want to play internet doctor I really couldn’t care less, but you don’t have the right to shill this bullshit that’s going to get someone killed. Stop sperging out ffs, your post doesn’t need five edits.
Here’s a snippet of a study done in Guadalupe. The goal was a survey of how man women used these drugs via urine screens.
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You’re posting on Kiwi Farms, you don’t have better things to do. And this is not at all what the data says. This is you making things up. You still haven’t supplied any sources to back you up that urinalysis to detect the use of abortion medication is possible, let alone routine in ‘Latin America’ (where in Latin America amigo? It’s a big place.)
Let’s go back to that source I cited (do I need to just cross post the whole text here to get you to read it?)
This six hour figure is with blood samples and state of the art mass spec machines; like the earlier quote from the same source said, urine is going to have lower concentrations of the metabolite and be even harder to detect.
Would you please demonstrate to the thread, with a source, which country in Latin America is catching aborting women with urinalysis? Cause it sounds made up.
Your mistrust of nonprofits that exist (despite pressure from the right to close, shootings, etc) to help women get abortions is regrettable, but your facts are as loony here as ever.
Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit, so is women on web. Both of them recommend follow up care after medical abortion in case you need a D&C. PP makes a follow up appointment with those who get medication abortion from them, WOW says to seek medical attention in case of complications.
You’re wrong about the complication rate of medication abortion. According to this collection of research, “ANSIRH research found that among 11,319 medication abortions, 5% required the use of an in-clinic vacuum aspiration procedure or additional medications to complete the abortion.” 5 percent is not 30 percent ya donkey.
You’re wrong about the incidence of severe adverse reactions to medication abortion. Per the same source, it’s 0.3% (with the caveat that these women are getting abortion pills from a doctor and have access to follow up.)
You’re spewing ‘facts’ pulled out of your ass in a thread where others are discussing our experiences of different types of birth control, and making decisions based on those self reports and experiences. If someone was to believe you, they would come away thinking that medication abortions are far more dangerous than they really are, much less effective than they really are, and that medical personnel could learn they used abortion medication when it’s not possible to do so. I think you are the dangerous one and unless you’re going to provide some sources to back up your claims I think you should be quiet.
Edit: I read your ‘Guadalupe’ study. You’re aware that this is an ongoing trial and has no finding, right? Because it hasn’t been completed yet? Clinicaltrials.gov is an aggregator of studies that are in progress, not a peer review journal.
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Not interested in getting into an internet slapfight over your novel Stan. I don’t give a shit about your politics and I can’t be bothered to read all that shit. The fact that you believe Cosmo is a legit source and claim sites selling you abortion pills are non-profit looking after women, while furiously editing your posts to get in some extra jab, tells me everything I need to know. You have a strong political stance regarding this that is both irrelevant to this thread and not worth my time. Whatever anyone says you’ll deny it because it doesn’t fall into your world view. There are other threads devoted to the politics regarding abortion, but this ain’t it. If you want to play pretend doctor and cherry pick fudged numbers in regards to your own health then you do that, but your a special kind of irresponsible to encourage others to do so.
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You’re being bitchy because you’re wrong. I read your snippet of a study: its a description of a study proposal whose results were never published. They may have gotten a negative finding or never completed the project. So your one source doesn’t support what you’re saying.
I’ve shown you studies and evidence ranging from easy to read (Cosmo) to scientific and precise (the article I sent you about detecting misprostol.) I backed up my claims with five sources, you gave me one study that never published its results.
You’re changing the subject to what you think my politics are because you’re wrong and you’re embarrassed. Your saying “lol I won’t read all that lalalal” because youre embarrassed. Or maybe you’re so retarded that you can’t understand the big boy studies; that would explain why you think a proposal to do a study from 6 years ago supported your claims. (Lol I cannot get over that. A fucking proposal! ROFL) If you won’t, or can’t, read the research why the fuck are you posting? You say I’m an ideologue who wouldn’t change their mind in the face of facts that support the contrary, but that’s you, big boy! You are doing exactly that!!
Tl:dr You’re a retard who won’t read up and posts BS without citing fuck all. You think I’m a democrat cause I just proved you’re talking out your ass. You don’t know your ass from you elbow.
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I actually just don’t care about arguing about an off topic political subject with a brick wall hon. Especially based on your spergery earlier itt. You sent me a fucking Cosmo article, two shill articles, and a study specifically talking about blood detection, which is wholly possible within an 1-12 hour window, well within a window of needing emergency services, yet get your nickers in a knot over a legit ongoing urinalyses study which you claim is impossible in the first place. Here’s a tip, never trust the advice of people trying to sell you something or sway you politically, basic consumer saftey 101.
I stand by what I say. Up to 30% of women will need to see a doctor after taking these drugs to remove all fetal tissue. Something that many of these online abortion pill companies fudge off or fail to inform consumers of at all (If you think some Mexican pharmacy is going to inform you of risks and when to see a healthcare provider you’re insane). It’s not a ‘complication’ it’s a normal part of a process that should be medically supervised. Women who do this at home are at more risk for sepsis and uterine rupture if taken during late pregnancy, and are less likely to seek medical intervention. This puts women at risk, and if you gave a shit past your politics and wannabe doctor ego you’d realize that advising women to take these drugs without medical supervision is going to get people killed.