The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

[Learning Wall]

If you want to say Jhonen is far superior as a writer, and artist, and that Goosework comes more as an inferior imitator, I won’t argue with that.

Jhonen is such an obvious inspiration of his, I am suprised more people don’t point it out. I do think he would had done a much meter job with TADC too.

Vivziepop is also a Johnen Vazquez wannabe.



I feel that Invader Zim is a very bad influence on indie creators.

 

[No Shot Bucko]

Hard to give benefit of the doubt knowing that he purposely aimed for a PG rating.

I read this with the voice of this insufferable troon diddler and it's just damn uncanny.

Since Australia is just a failed country just like Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if they allow chopping kids genitals or induce them into HRT at super early ages.

I watched this interview with oneyplays and couldn't just wrap my head on how this guy be interesting socializing IRL without shouting to the seven winds: JAX IS TRANS JAX IS TRANS YES I AM THE CREATOR AND I MUST ANNOUNCE THAT JAX IS TRANS!

I would be very happy if Glitch simply stopped any merch or game collabs and become irrelevant after a few years.

The amount of attention this looney is getting when being asked about TDCA or how Jax is for the 900000000th time Trans is just baffling.

 

[Fishnumm]

Since Australia is just a failed country just like Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if they allow chopping kids genitals or induce them into HRT at super early ages.

i hope australia frees itself mad max is badass and id like to visit the outback someday

 

[Judge Dredd]

big mouth isnt adult its for retards

silence of the lambs is adult

This but unironically.


I'm sure I've said this elsewhere on the farms, but I don't buy this age inappropriate discussion for a couple of reasons.

1. Growing up I remember films like Aliens and Robocop being 18 rated but being watched by kids. They even had toy lines. Nothing in TADC is anywhere close to that.

2. Years ago there was a bunch of hand wringing about how adults were the main consumers of toys. Pointing to this as an example of millennials being in arrested development and how it's going to society and blah blah blah. At the same time, headlines proclaimed the Ipad as "the most popular toy for Christmas 80 years running!" or whatever. You can likely see the problem when put back to back like that. Redefining Ipads, Warhammer, and hentai figurines as "kids toys" is the problem.

2.5 There was a similar moral panic about YA (Young Adult) fiction being the most popular genre of fiction for adults. Again, arrested development, millennials bad, etc. Turned out that YA stories were popular because they could unironically have heroes, action, and adventure. Not disappearing up their own arse with purple prose, politics, and depression. Turn that d upside down if you want it to be a ps.

 

[Dancing Axolotl]

I read this with the voice of this insufferable troon diddler and it's just damn uncanny.

Since Australia is just a failed country just like Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if they allow chopping kids genitals or induce them into HRT at super early ages.

I watched this interview with oneyplays and couldn't just wrap my head on how this guy be interesting socializing IRL without shouting to the seven winds: JAX IS TRANS JAX IS TRANS YES I AM THE CREATOR AND I MUST ANNOUNCE THAT JAX IS TRANS!

I would be very happy if Glitch simply stopped any merch or game collabs and become irrelevant after a few years.

The amount of attention this looney is getting when being asked about TDCA or how Jax is for the 900000000th time Trans is just baffling.

Cooper is very terminally online and I would imagine he reads this page because he is a textbook narcissist AGP. Although he has chosen the trans route IRL and with his self insert, fortunately I think he is sincerely burnt out with this series for the time being and only the future will tell what his Australian overlords decide to do.

It would be a waste of time to argue with his fanbase over Jax's gender, but there's still some fans of his that appropriately don't honor anything that wasn't shown in the show. I'm not entirely convinced he doesn't hate his fandom even more now, though the writing was on the wall as to how it would turn out and I don't know how he could miss it. Cooper has called Jax his "son" when he could have easily used "child", has used he/him pronouns for Jax even after the finale release, and has said it was always meant to be subtle/vague on the trannyness despite also being clearly frustrated that nobody understands how heckin trans Jax actually is. The character concept was "made to appeal to him" and he has also been on record saying he enjoys seeing fanart of Jax getting mutilated and murdered. He also says he would fuck/marry/kill Jax. So it is no surprise that it went from putting Jax in drag to wanting him to troon out. To him, it is a cartoon version of himself. This says a lot about how mentally ill he is. He might be more respectable than his fanbase though, who treats Jax like a real person whose identity/pronouns must be validated!!!

I have to give him some credit though, he was able to draw detailed characters (that he thinks are all boring and useless except Jax, whatever), drew concept arts/storyboards, wrote every episode, voice acted, directed other voice actors, and created music for this. Talent can only get you so far before you burn out though. Although it's probably more appropriate to discuss this for his own thread, I also recently learned he is the middle child between two sisters. This couldn't have possibly influenced his life choices, no not at all.

 

[Darth Insanius]

Replace Zooble or Jax with Big Dylan and the show's quality would skyrocket.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Replace Zooble or Jax with Big Dylan and the show's quality would skyrocket.

I don't think anyone would have survived till the end if you did that.

 

[Nobusuke Kishi]

I meant the sex, the realistic strangulation, and fetishes not the abstraction. Maybe some of the slurs ( not appropriate for kids).

I will assume good faith and not assume you are ignoring that part on purpose to focus on the nothing burger aspects like abstraction that nobody has a problem with. In case it wasn't obvious, I mean the sexual aspects of the show.

For me, the potential glorification of suicide present through Jax's abstraction was the most concerning element in the show that I would worry about as a parent. The sexual aspects to me are nothing more serious than Family Guy or the Simpsons had produced over a decade before this show was released, with both shows being widely recognized as appropriate for teenagers and young adults. It's why I included a clip from the Chapelle show, which featured violence, sex, swearing, and other taboos in far more gratuitous ways yet that is still categorized TV-14 at a time when the culture was much more conservative.

No offense but if a parents is allowing their 13 year olds or younger, to watch shows that talk about genitalia, and shows the characters having sex, they are failing as parents.

I specifically said teenager (ages 13-19), so I don't know why you are including pre-13 year olds in this point, but as far genitalia and sex in the show, all I remember is Zooble saying "sex" once and the credit scene with cartoon hearts coming from behind a door (I'm not rewatching the series to check for more) which, again, is nothing worse than anything I've already referenced and I'm sure almost anyone could think of more risque stuff they saw on tv in shows marketed towards as appropriate for teenagers.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I specifically said teenager (ages 13-19), so I don't know why you are including pre-13 year olds

And I already told you it’s inaccurate to group a 13 year old with a grown ass 19 adult on a nebulous and vague “teenage” group when it comes to talk about age appropriate content. One extreme is old enought to vote and got to college, the other is a literal middle schooler that wouldn’t survive day without their parents.

It’s a convenient scapegoat to pretend it was about the 18-19 year olds and not the middle schoolers.

all I remember is Zooble saying "sex" once and the credit scene with cartoon hearts coming from behind a door

Let me refreshen your memory:

But yes I do think the post credits scene of Zooble and Gangle having sex is not appropriate for children, actually. Or even early teens kids such as the 13 ,and even some 14 year olds. Obviously I don’t mean the adults in their late teens.

 

[Puck Clown]

The issue of how Digital Circus is inappropriate for kids goes back to the decade old issue of censorship and how because parents got mad that media was corrupting the youth or whatever, a lot of media was considered bad and evil. Just like all the mistakes the human race has made, we overcorrected it and now we run into a different problem. Creators do whatever they want with no consideration for how it would affect their audience.

I'm all for creators being able to do shit without censorship. All of us here have a right to criticize and ridicule it, but if Goose wants to stuff his show with all the fetishes, sex, and gender allegories he wants, then fine, he has that right as a creator.

The issue is that while Goose makes his suicidal pre-trans self insert, there was no attempt on Glitch's end to limit, or at the very least, warn their audiences about the fact that Digital Circus is NOT safe for all ages. As a web series, Digital Circus, outside of the movie doesn't have an age rating. Its also not walled behind that "Content is inappropriate, sign in to view" thing that Youtube has. Any unsupervised child can see Zooble talking about how she wants to have sex. The parents are partially to blame for not supervising their kids, but Glitch themselves should've made some kind of effort on their end. Something as simple as a warning at the start of each episode about how "The following media is meant for a mature audience" small as it is, can make a difference.

You know why the big companies push censorship so much? Its so the piece of media becomes accessible to a larger audience and they can make more money. Glitch doesn't censor Digital Circus, but still wants to make money. So, they do the BARE minimum above what Disney does and lets Goose do whatever, but they DON'T accommodate for the lack of censorship by warning their audience that the show is for an older demographic, because that would mean less people end up seeing Digital Circus, and thus, less money. Kids are also VERY receptive to merchandise ads of their favorite cartoon characters. I don't doubt that most of the merch sales Digital Circus makes comes from parents being asked by their kids to buy the funny rabbit guy in a maid dress, with the parents having no clue what the context behind it is.


Good job Kevin. I'm sure you're real proud of the impact you've made on the world.

 

[Nobusuke Kishi]

It’s a convenient scapegoat to pretend it was about the 18-19 year olds and not the middle schoolers.

How is it a scapegoat or being vague when I not only specifically spell out the age range of a teenager, but also use the exact TV parental rating used by the TV shows that I am referencing? You also keep dodging my main point.

Let me refreshen your memory:

I will ask this one last time, how is this WORSE than other shows I have listed that are generally regarded as teenager appropriate (generally meaning 13 and older). I will provide 2 clips from the same raunchy episode of the Simpsons that is rated TV-14 and you can tell me why these are not as bad as TADC (SEX - Love potion). If it's because TADC has gay characters, fine. If it's because TADC has sexual non human characters, fine. If you think the Simpson aren't actually appropriate for TV-14 and their rating should be raised, fine. If not one of those, please explain because right now it just sound arbitrary.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

The issue of how Digital Circus is inappropriate for kids goes back to the decade old issue of censorship and how because parents got mad that media was corrupting the youth or whatever, a lot of media was considered bad and evil. Just like all the mistakes the human race has made, we overcorrected it and now we run into a different problem. Creators do whatever they want with no consideration for how it would affect their audience.

Hot take, censorship help make shows better. Having writers explicitly writing for a target audiance allows them to focus their themes and messages for that demographic. Plus, having limits on what they can and cant do means they need to actually be clever writers to dance around things with innuendo which can actually lead to a better scene then if they could be direct with it. Sometimes constraint lead to more creativity.

 

[Castoreum]

The context of this panel is the guy is on a date with a girl. He shits himself at the start. Then spends the whole dinner trying to think of what to say to get out of it. This is the best he could come up with.

I still lol hard at it. Jhonen comics were pretty good at the time bc they were taking the piss on LA and LA goth culture. Dunno what he's been up to lately.

Vivziepop is also a Johnen Vazquez wannabe.

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I feel that Invader Zim is a very bad influence on indie creators.

Oh gosh Zim was my first experience with and hardened my heart against fandom culture. I wanted to look at cool fanart, fan-made expansions on the rich sci-fi world and how the Irkens conquered the galaxy, but nah. I more often than not ran into Zim and Dib or Red and Purple yaoi or Gaz and Tak yuri. Fanfiction was the same. It was impossible as a child to go online and not see porn of Zim and this was back in the early/mid 00s.

And if, God forbid, you said, "Hey, I don't like that it makes me uncomfortable." You'd get dogpiled by retarded teenage girls.

 

[JambledUpWords]

TADC needed a content warning for maximum cringe. The “isn’t she lovely” bit being one of the top ten moments.

 

[Learning Wall]

Its also not walled behind that "Content is inappropriate, sign in to view" thing that Youtube has.

Something as simple as a warning at the start of each episode about how "The following media is meant for a mature audience" small as it is, can make a difference.

Good job Kevin. I'm sure you're real proud of the impact you've made on the world.

At least Vivziepop includes content warnings at the beginning of her shows.

 

[The Great One]

Ladies and gentlemen: the magnum opus of the digital circus kiwi casino series.

 

[SpiderBitch]

Hot take, censorship help make shows better. Having writers explicitly writing for a target audiance allows them to focus their themes and messages for that demographic. Plus, having limits on what they can and cant do means they need to actually be clever writers to dance around things with innuendo which can actually lead to a better scene then if they could be direct with it. Sometimes constraint lead to more creativity.

This actually reminds me of alex hirsch. Comparing gravity falls vs inside job, when hes making a childrens show with censorship its actually way more entertaining and funny to adults (as well as kids) than when he actually gets to make an adult show with the reigns loose.

Parodies turned into direct media/brand/celeb refrences, creative curses and insults turned into regular boring swear words, innuendos almost dissappeared and the balance between edgy jokes and everything else became completely unbalanced.

 

[Trigger Me Timbers]

Welp I watched it. I watched the whole thing.

I thought troon Jax was just a retcon or “what if” from gooseworks but no, Ribbit the Groomer actually put a bow on him.

And I’m not saying this because I am chud maxxing on the hecking wrong think website. I’m saying it because nothing Jax did was troon coded except violence towards women which to be fair could mean he’s a troon or an Andrew Tate fan.
Im also confused from a story perspective, so Jax opened up to ribbit about him being a loser who shoved his mom. Then ribbit decided he’s a tranny and put a bow on him? No wonder he made her Kermit 56% die. I would do the same to anyone who took my badass woman beating and made it a tranny forced fem thing.

Also, in the ending irl things, Jax didn’t troon out it seems? So he’s not a faggot? So he kermitted ack for nuffin.

My cannon is Jax ent trans, he got freaked out when ribbit assumed he was and ignored her to death (based)

Other criticisms outside of debating the writers thinly veiled fetish. I’m sure the fans of this loved it, but they really dragged on long boring talking sequences and I feel gross after watching it knowing goose werks jacked off to my confusion.

 

[The Lawgiver]

This actually reminds me of alex hirsch. Comparing gravity falls vs inside job, when hes making a childrens show with censorship its actually way more entertaining and funny to adults (as well as kids) than when he actually gets to make an adult show with the reigns loose.

Parodies turned into direct media/brand/celeb refrences, creative curses and insults turned into regular boring swear words, innuendos almost dissappeared and the balance between edgy jokes and everything else became completely unbalanced.

Inside job was still funnier than most of the shit on netflix at the time and it sucks that it got canned for more seasons of big mouth but also the way alex has been acting the last few years of doing the "i support the current politics thing!" shit unless it isn't "ok" to bring up due to possibly inconveniencing him or his reputation in any matter tells me there's a chance it mightve eventually devolved from a kinda dollar general but still good enough version of the early rick and morty seasons to just an echo of his twitter feed if it was left to keep going.

I think this video making fun of him really just sums how him and a lot of creatives have been on social media the last like 5-ish years (or 10 in some cases) Also should point out the obvious this was before palestine became "ok" to support once ukraine got boring to these types.