Star Trek: Lower Decks - Full-Length Trailer Revealed

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SamTheEagle dijo:
The next series will be Star Trek: Crusher, where we get to watch Beverly fuck even more ghosts.
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If there is one positive thing to be said about SJW influences on the future of Star Trek, it is that it effectively prevents anyone from torturing us with Captain Wesley Crusher as a protagonist.

We'll get a shitton of smug bitchy proud-womyn-who-need-no-man archetypes, where the writers confuse being an abrasive, toxic asshole with being confident and powerful instead, but at least that doesn't give this cocksucker Wheaton any more exposure.

A Useless Fish dijo:
That ship design looks fucking stupid.

Also, where are the fucking aliens? I don't count green lesbians. I know why, when filming live, there are practical restrictions on alien designs for a show, or a movie, but with animation you can let your imagination run wild, and get creative. All we get here is a bunch of boring, interchangeable humans.

Is imagination just another 'privilige' we're not allowed to have, anymore?
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If they ever put in any alien that isn't just a human with funny skind color and maybe a few squiggly lines on his forehead, it will look like it was straight lifted from Rick and Morty.
Calling it now, they will put those bug-thing creatures into a crowdshot somewhere.

los pepes dijo:
Oh look another kurtzman turd where all the characters are insufferable nihilistic smuggies.

It's almost like that's all a writing room full of unaccomplished insufferable nihilistic smuggies are able to write.
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At this point, any show that doesn't have smug self-centred, 4th-wall-breaking, quipping assholes in the main roles feels like a godsend. These characters are like the metastasss of the cancer that is Joss Whedon.

waffle dijo:
I dont get the visual comparison to Rick and Morty. To me it looks like they just took Futurama and put a "current year + 5" veneer on it.
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The style is very similar, only Rick and Morty goes out of its way a lot more to make their characters look freakish (such as the fuzzy dots in the eyes, the weird teeth and so on), in that regard, Lower Dreck is a lot more subdued in its style, but still very reminiscent of R&M. Where the similarities become absolutely blatant is the character movements, the animation looks exactly the same and very distinctly R&M.
 
What I notice in this trailer is something very common to mass media these days which is a premise where those in charge are undeserving and asshole-ish; whilst the lower ranks (or equivalent) are the real heroes.

It's not inherently wrong, but the pervasiveness of this motif in modern media feels very anti-aspirational. It's also a direct challenge to other Star Trek I have seen where it's very meritocratic and the starfleet officers are almost always highly competent and dedicated. Hell, even where the a starfleet officer character is the "bad guy" they're not normally portrayed as incompetent or assholes, so much as forced into a no-win moral situation by extreme circumstances or misguided by something. I mean, Janeway is an asshole beyond compare but she's also frighteningly capable and tough as nails. There's not a moment you think she's not got what it takes to be in command. Wrong, maybe. Two-faced, sometimes. But this cartoon is the first time I see star trek officers portrayed as cliche jocks.
 
Overly Serious dijo:
What I notice in this trailer is something very common to mass media these days which is a premise where those in charge are undeserving and asshole-ish; whilst the lower ranks (or equivalent) are the real heroes.

It's not inherently wrong, but the pervasiveness of this motif in modern media feels very anti-aspirational. It's also a direct challenge to other Star Trek I have seen where it's very meritocratic and the starfleet officers are almost always highly competent and dedicated. Hell, even where the a starfleet officer character is the "bad guy" they're not normally portrayed as incompetent or assholes, so much as forced into a no-win moral situation by extreme circumstances or misguided by something. I mean, Janeway is an asshole beyond compare but she's also frighteningly capable and tough as nails. There's not a moment you think she's not got what it takes to be in command. Wrong, maybe. Two-faced, sometimes. But this cartoon is the first time I see star trek officers portrayed as cliche jocks.
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Hell the only reason she came across as such an asshole is because writing for Voyager was an absolute nightmare.
 
Uncanny Valley dijo:
Hell the only reason she came across as such an asshole is because writing for Voyager was an absolute nightmare.
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The writing is so back and forth that she comes off as arbitrary. One week it's "hey I know you stole Neelix's lungs but we can't take them back from you because that would kill you and we don't believe in the death penalty". Then you catch her on the rag and its "sorry Tuvix I need my officers back. March him in and strap him down boys, it's killin' time"
 
Uncanny Valley dijo:
Hell the only reason she came across as such an asshole is because writing for Voyager was an absolute nightmare.
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I actually deliberately started watching Voyager at the "scorpian" episode where 7 of 9 joined so I likely missed a lot of the worst and most inconsistent writing for Janeway. Voyager was my first real watch of a Star Trek TV show though I'd seen the movies and the odd TNG episode here or there. I don't know that I'd agree poor writing is the reason Janeway came across as an asshole. I think that was actually her character at least by the point I started watching. I don't mean a villain or a bad person - just someone who would, if she felt she had to, do whatever it takes. There are a number of times where she makes some noble speech to persuade someone and on the occasions it doesn't work just uses her authority to get her way anyway showing that they never really had any choice but hers. I think the Tuvix episode (which was one I went back to watch from earlier) was such an occasion. I think it would only take a few little twists to make her a fantastic villain and if I'd had the luxury of writing Picard, I think I would have used her as such. She'd be a terrifying adversary, frankly. And have the ability to half-convince the audience she was the one in the right. Imagine Picard running up against Janeway. Voyager was set a little after TNG wasn't it so 'Admiral' Janeway would be a bit younger than Jean-Luc and perhaps still involved in Star Fleet.

Anyway, main point is that she's definitely competent and Starfleet is still aspirational and meritocratic in that show. But not in this one.
 
Overly Serious dijo:
What I notice in this trailer is something very common to mass media these days which is a premise where those in charge are undeserving and asshole-ish; whilst the lower ranks (or equivalent) are the real heroes.

It's not inherently wrong, but the pervasiveness of this motif in modern media feels very anti-aspirational. It's also a direct challenge to other Star Trek I have seen where it's very meritocratic and the starfleet officers are almost always highly competent and dedicated. Hell, even where the a starfleet officer character is the "bad guy" they're not normally portrayed as incompetent or assholes, so much as forced into a no-win moral situation by extreme circumstances or misguided by something. I mean, Janeway is an asshole beyond compare but she's also frighteningly capable and tough as nails. There's not a moment you think she's not got what it takes to be in command. Wrong, maybe. Two-faced, sometimes. But this cartoon is the first time I see star trek officers portrayed as cliche jocks.
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It's some low-effort, smooth-brain version of a deconstruction... or at least, that's what some people might claim to defend this trainwreck.
They'll pretend it's a super clever way to lampoon Star Trek, by doing babby's first trope inversion, and it's oh-so-clever, how it portrays the bridge crew as arrogant and self-centred assholes. It'll appeal to a shitton of motherfuckers that hate their bosses, who vastly overestimate their own importance to the group.

Overly Serious dijo:
I actually deliberately started watching Voyager at the "scorpian" episode where 7 of 9 joined so I likely missed a lot of the worst and most inconsistent writing for Janeway. Voyager was my first real watch of a Star Trek TV show though I'd seen the movies and the odd TNG episode here or there. I don't know that I'd agree poor writing is the reason Janeway came across as an asshole. I think that was actually her character at least by the point I started watching. I don't mean a villain or a bad person - just someone who would, if she felt she had to, do whatever it takes. There are a number of times where she makes some noble speech to persuade someone and on the occasions it doesn't work just uses her authority to get her way anyway showing that they never really had any choice but hers. I think the Tuvix episode (which was one I went back to watch from earlier) was such an occasion. I think it would only take a few little twists to make her a fantastic villain and if I'd had the luxury of writing Picard, I think I would have used her as such. She'd be a terrifying adversary, frankly. And have the ability to half-convince the audience she was the one in the right. Imagine Picard running up against Janeway. Voyager was set a little after TNG wasn't it so 'Admiral' Janeway would be a bit younger than Jean-Luc and perhaps still involved in Star Fleet.

Anyway, main point is that she's definitely competent and Starfleet is still aspirational and meritocratic in that show. But not in this one.
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Kate Mulgrew also played Janeway like she was off the rails crazy, so that might have figured in.
 
RomanesEuntDomus dijo:
Wow, she has barely any screen presence at all... her orders sound like mild suggestions.
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Her and chakotay's onscreen dynamic would have the stuff of horrible legend. Dances with Bland vs Captain Tedium

Hell come to think of it, maybe Neelix was written to be such an obnoxious irritant in order to wake people up after being lulled into a coma by the leading duo.
 
UnKillFill dijo:
Is she French, or retarded? You be the judge.
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Rumor was that she screwed up on purpose to get out of the contract.

Just finished a rewatch of TNG and I forgot how damn smug the crew is all of the time. Probably knowing their real life social media doesn't help with that. Voyager may be batshit crazy and inconsistent, but at least I never got the impression the crew were huffing their own farts ("vision quests" excepted)
 
RomanesEuntDomus dijo:
Kate Mulgrew also played Janeway like she was off the rails crazy, so that might have figured in.
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I read on TVTropes (I know, I know) that Mulgrew was annoyed with the inconsistent writing of Janeway, so she just played the character like she had an undiagnosed mental disorder.

Judge Holden dijo:
Worth reminding folks just how much of a bullet we missed with Mulgrew's casting considering who originally was gonna play Janeway...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8SIZcDWKyw0
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She sounds very... chill about the whole situation, wow.
 
First impressions: it's better than Picard and Discovery, which isn't saying a lot but by now Kurtzman has battered and tortured me to a near catatonic state.
As far a cartoon show about star trek for kids go, it does the job. I hate MC bland and Mariner, but everything else is TNG-themed. I only wish they toned down on the hyper-accelerated rick & morty/regular show banter, but I also understand this is a cartoon for children.
I expected the absolute worst, and watched something passable. I hope they keep up the funny bits like potty-mouth doctor Cat.
 
agility_ dijo:
First impressions: it's better than Picard and Discovery, which isn't saying a lot but by now Kurtzman has battered and tortured me to a near catatonic state.
As far a cartoon show about star trek for kids go, it does the job. I hate MC bland and Mariner, but everything else is TNG-themed. I only wish they toned down on the hyper-accelerated rick & morty/regular show banter, but I also understand this is a cartoon for children.
I expected the absolute worst, and watched something passable. I hope they keep up the funny bits like potty-mouth doctor Cat.
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Wait, is the show meant for kids? I was under the impression this was for adults.
 
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