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Yeah. Oppenheimer saying that to Truman of all people is arrogance of the highest order.
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The use of the bombs was always unnecessary, doesn't matter how you view it.
Even if you are a genocidal sociopath, which I presume is your case, the conventional bombing in Tokyo was way more efficient at killing innocent civilians than the Fat Boy.
If Dolan is the only thing left on American cinema, that explains well why I don't watch murican films anymore.
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The point wasn't to cause maximum destruction, but to flex on Japan so hard that they would surrender without the US having to invade.
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It was necessary, the Japs were ready to sacrifice their population against the USA and only a show of overwhelming power made them realise that they'll lose regardless without inflicting as much damage.
A USA invasion would have killed more Americans and Japs, not to mention the Japs were ready to deploy biological weapons in the USA. The only reasons it's even an arguments is decades of propaganda of how nuclear is evil and how Japanese dindu.
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Bull Halsey's quote of Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell.
would've been a statement of fact had Operations Coronet and Olympic commenced. In which Fatman, Little Boy and the succeeding hydrogen bombs will be used during the invasion.
The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the "least worst option" for the Japanese people. As every other option available for the United States would've inflicted exponentially more death to literal outright extinction of the Japanese on the Yamato Islands.
would've been a statement of fact had Operations Coronet and Olympic commenced. In which Fatman, Little Boy and the succeeding hydrogen bombs will be used during the invasion.
The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the "least worst option" for the Japanese people. As every other option available for the United States would've inflicted exponentially more death to literal outright extinction of the Japanese on the Yamato Islands.
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Not a good movie. Reminded me of Dune Part 1, a three hour long trailer that makes allusions to stories and characters and ideas and explores none of them. The only good parts of the movie were when the communist academics got roasted ("What do any of you have in common with dockworkers and truckers?") and also Casey Affleck's character, Boris Pash. The movie introduced a vengeful CIA agent, the son of a Russian Orthodox priest, who hates communists for what they did to his family and has the fury of Ayn Rand flowing through his veins, then barely utilized him. Truman was cool too.
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I wish the film was actually about the Manhattan project showing the horrors such as the Demon Core incident but we get Coppenheimer's 'woe is me' savior complex. The story of politics and bureaucracy, or the psychology of Oppenheimer wasn't insightful, but just makes you ask more questions than understand on him, and his questionable decisions or mindset. The scenes like the wife-cuck scene and the JFK namedrop just make this film seem like a parody rather than something to take serious.
Edit: I forgot to mention but in the film, the war between Japan wasn't also shown like Pearl Harbor, Unit 731, the Japanese's devotion to even sacrifice themselves (for the emperor) and the actual nuke drop. The whole thing was just from Oppenheimer's interpretation.
Edit: I forgot to mention but in the film, the war between Japan wasn't also shown like Pearl Harbor, Unit 731, the Japanese's devotion to even sacrifice themselves (for the emperor) and the actual nuke drop. The whole thing was just from Oppenheimer's interpretation.
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Film did talk about which cities full of "defenseless innocent" Japanese civilians to drop the atomic bombs on. Furthering the lie of America bullying the Japanese instead of the truth of of Hiroshima, Kokura (original city for Fat Man), Nagasaki and others were selected as they're full of military targets that needed to be neutralized prior to Operation Coronet and Olympic.
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"DA NIPS NEEDED TO BE SPOOKED WITH DA BIG BOOM TO NOT DEATHWAR!!!!" is a cartoonishly retarded American narrative that hinges on the Japanese being neanderthal subhumans that cannot comprehend that dying is bad.
It's a USA myth to whitewash dropping the nukes, which in all estimations contributed jack of all shit to ending the war, besides wiping 2 more Japanese cities. Something that the US has done 60+ times that summer just fine without them. They were neither decisive nor unique. The firebombing of Tokyo was more deadly than Hiroshima ffs.
The basic reality is that Japan would've gladly agreed to a conditional surrender by 1944, but a certain crippled faggot by the name of Roosevelt set the terms as "unconditional" from the word go. This meant that Jap leadership pursued a hopeless game of chicken where they desperately prayed that the Americans would just say "fuck this" and acquiesce to conditional terms of surrender.
By '45, their last sliver of hope was that because they had relatively cordial relations with the Soviets, due to them never declaring war on them and upholding their non-aggression pact, that the favor would be returned in some fashion and the commies would try mediate a peace.
This NAP was promptly broken by Stalin when he invaded Manchuria on the same day the second nuke was dropped on Japan, and by all estimations this declaration of war by the Soviet Union is the actual reason why the Nips gave up shortly thereafter. With their last lifeline (that really existed only in their copes) gone, they came to terms with getting occupied by the US, because that was preferable to getting occupied by the commies.
The only thing the nukes did provide was convenient cope, where Jap leadership could claim their army didn't lose, its just that psychotic Americans will literally nuke civilians and maybe even the world to death because they're retarded and evil. Completely glossing over any failure that lead to them losing, and instead making themselves out to be victims.
Conversely, the US narrative of "samurai Nip too stoopid to not suicide war, need 2B scurred by big boom" was concocted and made into a founding myth to show how 'Murica stronk&smurt(cuz made nukes) and also "we did totes needed to do it bro".
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I was annoyed by the film. For a variety of reasons. Spoilers follow.
I said spoilers follow, go it?
First up the overall theme of the film is to deify Oppenheimer. This is accomplished through many thinly veined sub plots that are deliberately ill explained so that the viewer is left with the "impression" without understanding the fallacy. Such as: Blackholes. If you are new to physics watching this film you might walk away with the idea Oppenheimers paper gave rise to Black Hole Discovery and research, when in fact others before him did the theory on it and Oppenheimer added to it. Blackhole prediction goes back further than one can realize.
You might walk away with the idea Oppenheimer alone introduced Quantum Mechanics to the USA.
You might also walk away with the idea that without Oppenheimer there was no bomb, whereas in the film you can quite clearly hear others saying Germany and Russia and others will have it fairly quickly because it actually was not impossible, it required industry. Lots of industry.
Another annoying matter was when the atom was split Oppenheimer declares "we can build the bomb!!!" hogwash. Physicists were overjoyed that the atom was split because it meant nuclear energy could become real - they all feared that it would be used to build a bomb but their interest was nuclear energy for use, not bombs. When the announcement of the atom being split was made, they celebrated the birth of nuclear energy and the dawn of the nuclear age - not nuclear weapons.
One gets the idea that when the good general met with Oppenheimer it was a last resort of "only you can do it" which it was not, the military had the papers from other physicists and new it was real, the need for Oppenheimer was to organize the mob of scientists to do it, rather than to merely "hand out" tasks to other scientists. The film constantly heralds Oppenheimer as the man with the ideas and for the there Scientists to merely implement his vision. False.
The implosion technique was one of the most arduous and important tasks of the project and Oppenheimer did not devise it, another scientists did and it took AGES to get it right and was one of the stickiest points about the bomb.
Another annoying part of the film was the meeting between the General and Oppenheimer. Within 90 seconds Oppenheimer is breaking out the chalk board "this is how we're gonna do it!!!" and that is just bullshit. The General had to convince Oppenheimer to do it, often lying to him and others about Germanys chances in the matter and it took time for Oppenheimer to accept even doing it, and the General had other back ups.
The matters of the Hydrogen Bomb debacle are still to this very day classified house and senate briefings because the generals wanted a country killing weapon - and some of the scientists in the film were willing to give the time to plan for 1000 megaton and 10,000 megaton weapons to be developed by the USA which did briefly get green lighted and then withdrawn. Oppenheimer was horrified at that prospect and he backed off the Hydrogen weapon for that reason - it was a road to hell as far as he was concerned, and he was not alone either.
The matter of the Head of the Atomic Commission essentially insinuating that it was Oppenheimers great scheme to be remembered for Trinity and not the bomb dropping is hogwash entirely. He was ousted and despised for various reasons but there was no master plan from Oppenheimer, no grand scheme. It should be noted Truman did call him a crybaby and for good reason, too. It was Truman who dropped the bomb, not Oppenheimer. I'm not sure anyone remembers the name of the inventor of mustard gas, napalm, DDT or anything else either given that they also did not deploy it, the government did.
The movie uses a lot of musical score to keep the pace and hide over what I feel is hammy dialogue and fanciful stuff from the the General and others, including Oppenheimer.
But possibly the most annoying part of the film was the presentation of Einstein as a "retired" scientist and "You Oppenheimer are the man of the hour" even though Oppenheimer actually didn't come up with the theory of nuclear fusion, nor the implosion device, nor the actual calculations for its yield, nor how to purify the material, nor how to drop it. This idea of Einstein being "on the back burner" and kind of "looking up to Oppenheimer" isn't really true. Einstein liked he man but not particularly his physics.
It's great to create a new hero in physics as Einstein has run its course, but the dedication of Oppenheimer is not warranted. He was a brilliant man, among other brilliant men and he did something under pressure, but the USA was always going to get that bomb and building that bomb was a matter of industry mores than invention because others had already laid the ground work for the bomb to exist. No matter how brilliant Oppenheimer was, there was no bomb without enriched material and no bomb without the implosion device being nailed down which involved the brilliance of hundreds of persons, the work of tend son thousands and not just one man and one vision.
Einstein was denied a security clearance for the Manhattan project far and long before Oppenheimer was given the job of heading it. After all, would not Einstein have been the logical first choice? Of course he was.
I said spoilers follow, go it?
First up the overall theme of the film is to deify Oppenheimer. This is accomplished through many thinly veined sub plots that are deliberately ill explained so that the viewer is left with the "impression" without understanding the fallacy. Such as: Blackholes. If you are new to physics watching this film you might walk away with the idea Oppenheimers paper gave rise to Black Hole Discovery and research, when in fact others before him did the theory on it and Oppenheimer added to it. Blackhole prediction goes back further than one can realize.
You might walk away with the idea Oppenheimer alone introduced Quantum Mechanics to the USA.
You might also walk away with the idea that without Oppenheimer there was no bomb, whereas in the film you can quite clearly hear others saying Germany and Russia and others will have it fairly quickly because it actually was not impossible, it required industry. Lots of industry.
Another annoying matter was when the atom was split Oppenheimer declares "we can build the bomb!!!" hogwash. Physicists were overjoyed that the atom was split because it meant nuclear energy could become real - they all feared that it would be used to build a bomb but their interest was nuclear energy for use, not bombs. When the announcement of the atom being split was made, they celebrated the birth of nuclear energy and the dawn of the nuclear age - not nuclear weapons.
One gets the idea that when the good general met with Oppenheimer it was a last resort of "only you can do it" which it was not, the military had the papers from other physicists and new it was real, the need for Oppenheimer was to organize the mob of scientists to do it, rather than to merely "hand out" tasks to other scientists. The film constantly heralds Oppenheimer as the man with the ideas and for the there Scientists to merely implement his vision. False.
The implosion technique was one of the most arduous and important tasks of the project and Oppenheimer did not devise it, another scientists did and it took AGES to get it right and was one of the stickiest points about the bomb.
Another annoying part of the film was the meeting between the General and Oppenheimer. Within 90 seconds Oppenheimer is breaking out the chalk board "this is how we're gonna do it!!!" and that is just bullshit. The General had to convince Oppenheimer to do it, often lying to him and others about Germanys chances in the matter and it took time for Oppenheimer to accept even doing it, and the General had other back ups.
The matters of the Hydrogen Bomb debacle are still to this very day classified house and senate briefings because the generals wanted a country killing weapon - and some of the scientists in the film were willing to give the time to plan for 1000 megaton and 10,000 megaton weapons to be developed by the USA which did briefly get green lighted and then withdrawn. Oppenheimer was horrified at that prospect and he backed off the Hydrogen weapon for that reason - it was a road to hell as far as he was concerned, and he was not alone either.
The matter of the Head of the Atomic Commission essentially insinuating that it was Oppenheimers great scheme to be remembered for Trinity and not the bomb dropping is hogwash entirely. He was ousted and despised for various reasons but there was no master plan from Oppenheimer, no grand scheme. It should be noted Truman did call him a crybaby and for good reason, too. It was Truman who dropped the bomb, not Oppenheimer. I'm not sure anyone remembers the name of the inventor of mustard gas, napalm, DDT or anything else either given that they also did not deploy it, the government did.
The movie uses a lot of musical score to keep the pace and hide over what I feel is hammy dialogue and fanciful stuff from the the General and others, including Oppenheimer.
But possibly the most annoying part of the film was the presentation of Einstein as a "retired" scientist and "You Oppenheimer are the man of the hour" even though Oppenheimer actually didn't come up with the theory of nuclear fusion, nor the implosion device, nor the actual calculations for its yield, nor how to purify the material, nor how to drop it. This idea of Einstein being "on the back burner" and kind of "looking up to Oppenheimer" isn't really true. Einstein liked he man but not particularly his physics.
It's great to create a new hero in physics as Einstein has run its course, but the dedication of Oppenheimer is not warranted. He was a brilliant man, among other brilliant men and he did something under pressure, but the USA was always going to get that bomb and building that bomb was a matter of industry mores than invention because others had already laid the ground work for the bomb to exist. No matter how brilliant Oppenheimer was, there was no bomb without enriched material and no bomb without the implosion device being nailed down which involved the brilliance of hundreds of persons, the work of tend son thousands and not just one man and one vision.
Einstein was denied a security clearance for the Manhattan project far and long before Oppenheimer was given the job of heading it. After all, would not Einstein have been the logical first choice? Of course he was.
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MY LE BOMB
LE KILLED PEOPLE?
Movies today are too obsessed with origin stories, first it was Han Solo's dice and now it's "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds". Wtf was Nolan smoking with that scene, it doesn't need an origin. That's the one thing general audiences are likely to know about Oppenheimer outside of him making the bomb and it was in a sex scene.
LE KILLED PEOPLE?
Movies today are too obsessed with origin stories, first it was Han Solo's dice and now it's "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds". Wtf was Nolan smoking with that scene, it doesn't need an origin. That's the one thing general audiences are likely to know about Oppenheimer outside of him making the bomb and it was in a sex scene.
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this movie looks like abject dogshit, cillian murphy doesn't even look human.
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So it's like The Imitation Game where Turing is portrayed as doing everything, airbrushing the Poles who actually broke the codes, those who actually designed and built the Bombe(s) (and Colossus) out of existence, and even determining when the broken code data could be used. Disappointing but not surprising.
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- 12 de Abr, 2020
Probably the best review I've seen of this movie. Lol
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Hate to break it to you but that's exactly what they were and why they were such an infuriating enemy. Kamikaze pilots, wounded soldiers suiciding on USA medics trying to help them, massed wave charges, the Japs fought with disregard to their lives.
On the event of a USA invasion, entire cities were ready to have the women and children dive from a cliff just to not be defiled by the Americans.
Yeah it sounds exactly at the same issue. Kinda ironic commie Hollywood cannot comprehend the idea of multiple people working together for a goal and each contributing. It must be one super genius doing everything.
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I was about to upboat until this but this is false. Japs invaded Russia in 1918 with a 70000+ force, greater than any other invader. Relationships have been strained since.
1938: battle of lake Khasan
1939: battles of Khalkhin-Gol
1940: Soviets create the Far Eastern Front (army group)
April 13 1941: neutrality pact AND an agreement for Japs to leave North Sakhalin
July 2 1941: Japan plans to attack the USSR, mobilize in Manchuria, double the size of the Kwantung group
October 1941: Japan ignores the deadline to leave North Sakhalin
December 1941: lend-lease starts, Japs block, search and sometimes sink Soviet transports; Vladivostok prepares to defend against a Japanese invasion
February 1943: Battle of Stalingrad won, Japan considers getting out of North Sakhalin as they were supposed to, still blocks transports
April 1944: Japan finally gets out of North Sakhalin
fall 1944: Japan tries to negotiate peace
February 1945: Yalta conference, USSR pledges to attack Japan
April 1945: USSR declares the neutrality pact will not be extended (still 12 months to go)
summer 1945: Japan still tries to negotiate peace
July 1945: Potsdam conference, Truman threatens Stalin with the nuke, US + UK + China demand unconditional surrender
August 6 1945: first nuke
August 9 1945, early morning: second nuke
August 9 1945, afternoon: USSR attacks
The purpose of the nukes was not to force Japan to beg for peace (they already were) or to unconditionally surrender (they would have no, eventually), it was to scare the USSR. The USSR wasn't scared of the nuke, but they realized the war would be over soon with or without them and if they don't attack Japan, the US would just get everything including Sakhalin.
This is a cockmongling lib lie. The Soviets never stopped their bomb project, they just had to delay it when the war started due to a little logistical problem called the Siege of Leningrad.
Kurchatov worked on demagnetizing ships in 1941 and 1942 to completely counter German naval mines, which yes, was more important at the time, because if Germans got to the Black Sea oil, the Soviets would've gotten raped harder than your mom's boyfriend rapes you every night.
early 1920: Soviet nuclear research starts
1938: a dedicated nucleosynthesis lab founded
1939: many research articles published
January 1940: Peierls (UK) calculates critical mass (fucks it up), invents the nuke
1940: Soviets discover spontaneous fission
September 8 1941: Siege starts
September 16 1941: MAUD committee report
September 17 1941: USSR gets the MAUD committee report, starts Operation Enormous to develop and create a bomb
August 1942: Manhattan project starts
September 1942: the Soviet bomb project starts using Manhattan research acquired by Vardo, Kurchatov appointed lead
1943: Mironov defects to US, Vardo recalled to USSR
May 1945: Soviets prioritize capturing German nuclear research
July 1945: Potsdam conference, Truman threatens Stalin with the nuke
1947: Molotov says "the bomb hasn't been a secret for a while"
1948: Stalin's original deadline passes
1949: first test (successful)
1950: Voroshilov officially declares the USSR has nukes
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So apparently this film wasn't even released in Japan yet, kind of ironic. I wonder if the real reason is that getting a self-loathing saviour complex is more insulating and condescending then respecting, espcially from a guy who didn't pull the trigger or take part in war. Or maybe the Japanese are autistic in cinema schedules.
It's funny because Japan is normally okay with releasing WW2 movies, especially when talking about their past. Even Japan also makes movies about their past? So what's stopping them from releasing Oppenheimer?
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Self loathing saviour complex protagonists who cause massive amount of death without any real choice is basically the default setting of 1990's anime.
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Are you seriously simping for stalin here of all places you redhead faggot?