Oppenheimer (2023) - Dude helps to build a bomb, is shocked when said bomb is used

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I wouldn't see any issue, the movie doesn't even feature scenes from Japan so it's not like it could be insulting.

It doesn't even show Japan getting nuked, the only actual nuke we get to glimpse in the movie is the very first live test they did and after that it's the aftermath of the war where Oppenheimer feels guilty about making the Gook Melter 3000
 
It was a good movie if you like Nolanisms. I see a lot of people complaining about the non-linear story telling, it isn't difficult to follow if you just watch the first few minutes of the movie to get the context. The entire movie is the "non" trial and is told from the perspective of witnesses and Oppenheimer's memories. Well shot, watched it in Imax, def. agree with the RLM guys in that it is Wrinkles the movie. However, the sound design was more than worth it. Plus, I don't usually make an effort to go to the movie theaters but when I do, I splurge. I'm a sucker for practical and kind of had a stage craft and SFX boner for a lot of the effects. Though, I think it is universal that the sex scene was more than awkward and unneeded. I think it was an attempt to bring about something character wise about Oppenheimer but it missed the mark. Side note, Robert Downey Jr. was pretty good and I've come to realize he kind of looks like Al Pacino.

Self loathing saviour complex protagonists who cause massive amount of death without any real choice is basically the default setting of 1990's anime.
I think that is a bit harsh as anime uses those tropes without sensical context. At least in the movie, and I'm sure in real life as well, it was highlighted that Oppenheimer was pressured by friends to cut the Nuclear arms race. Oppenheimer agreed in this regard but the alternative was allow Nazi's have the bomb first and use it on us. I'm a pacifist, not an absolutist, and can empathize with the characterization of Oppie. In the film it was also sprinkled throughout Oppie attempting to slow the roll of the project. Not to mention, the idea to drop the bombs off shore of Japan to show force was pitched as well but rejected because politics. I'll gladly let Truman types call me names if it means no further loss of life takes place.
 
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Hate to break it to you but that's exactly what they were and why they were such an infuriating enemy. Kamikaze pilots, wounded soldiers suiciding on USA medics trying to help them, massed wave charges, the Japs fought with disregard to their lives.
On the event of a USA invasion, entire cities were ready to have the women and children dive from a cliff just to not be defiled by the Americans.
Hate to break it to you, but ruthlessness and maneuvers of questionable effectiveness (like banzai charges) weren't done because "they doo stoopid to not dye", but because they coped that this would cumulatively still contribute to weakening the enemy/strategic victory, in situations where it seemed like they were unable to do anything else.

Getting eradicated out of existence, which is what you and every other person saying this tripe says they would've preferred, doesn't. "Le strap bombs to every baby and throw em at tanks" is sheer, low IQ, schizophrenic muttnigger horseshit, rooted in large part in the period specific anti-Jap propaganda, that has become part of the founding myth of the nukes totally being needed.

I also noticed you avoided tackling the part where the nukes weren't unique or decisive and was largely used as cope by Japan so they didn't have to admit military failures. Y'know, the entire reason your bloodthirsty suicidal Nip narrative even exists to begin with.
I was about to upboat until this but this is false. Japs invaded Russia in 1918 with a 70000+ force, greater than any other invader. Relationships have been strained since.

The purpose of the nukes was not to force Japan to beg for peace (they already were) or to unconditionally surrender (they would have no, eventually), it was to scare the USSR. The USSR wasn't scared of the nuke, but they realized the war would be over soon with or without them and if they don't attack Japan, the US would just get everything including Sakhalin.
I said "relatively cordial". Border conflicts, trade fuckery and historical grievances aside, for the duration of the NAP, both sides adhered to it (well, until '45) and didn't declare war on eachother. High-ranking Japanese generals have repeatedly noted that maintaining peace with soviets was a prerequisite to continuing the war at all.

I don't remember talking about the purpose of the nukes, only that it was largely irrelevant to Japan surrendering and that the American narrative about them is a crock of shit.
 
Hate to break it to you, but ruthlessness and maneuvers of questionable effectiveness (like banzai charges) weren't done because "they doo stoopid to not dye", but because they coped that this would cumulatively still contribute to weakening the enemy/strategic victory, in situations where it seemed like they were unable to do anything else.

Getting eradicated out of existence, which is what you and every other person saying this tripe says they would've preferred, doesn't. "Le strap bombs to every baby and throw em at tanks" is sheer, low IQ, schizophrenic muttnigger horseshit, rooted in large part in the period specific anti-Jap propaganda, that has become part of the founding myth of the nukes totally being needed.
Soldiers going with insanely lethal manuevers due to an insane belief in their commanders/willingly giving their lives is exactly the idiot bugmen "life has no worth against the greater good" I was describing. A lot of times it didn't even make tactical sense, since once you start suiciding rather than surrendering the enemy will just kill you than take the risk and you deprive your military of men and the enemy from keeping POWs.

I also noticed you avoided tackling the part where the nukes weren't unique or decisive and was largely used as cope by Japan so they didn't have to admit military failures. Y'know, the entire reason your bloodthirsty suicidal Nip narrative even exists to begin with.
> USA drops 2 bombs who's effects remain in culture for almost a century later.
> It wasn't decisive.

lol what nigger?
 
Saw the movie last night, it was alright.
This movie was a reminder of Cillian Murphy's weird pop up bug eyes that you'll see him make throughout the film.
Harry Truman was the best part of the movie albeit it was kinda brief.
The film was also an unintentional red pilled on how infiltrated academia was with communists even back then in the 1930s.
The movie was a half hour longer than it really needed to be and there are quite a few scenes of retreading old information.
Christopher Nolan's signature of having scenes are not in order isn't as egregious as compared to Dunkirk and is much easier to follow along here.
The sound mixing wasn't bad for me in my theater, I even got front row seats.
It's a neat popcorn flick, definitely worth a trip to the movie theater if your bored this summer.
 
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Saw the movie last night, it was alright.
This movie was a reminder of Cillian Murphy's weird pop up bug eyes.
Harry Truman was the best part of the movie albeit it was kinda brief.
The film was also an unintentional red pilled on how infiltrated academia was with communists even back then in the 1930s.
The movie was a half hour longer than it really needed to be and there are quite a few scenes of retreading old information.
Christopher Nolan's signature of having scenes are not in order isn't as egregious as compared to Dunkirk and is much easier to follow along here.
The sound mixing wasn't bad for me in my theater, I even got front row seats.
It's a neat popcorn flick, definitely worth a trip to the movie theater if your bored this summer.
How odd is it that the big budget summer blockbuster is a film about a weapon of mass destruction and the small budget blockbuster about child trafficking. Didn't have that one on my bingo card.
 
Are you seriously simping for stalin here of all places you redhead faggot?
Pointing out that Stalin wasn't a total retard who stopped development on a weapon of ultimate destruction because lol gommies isn't equivalent to simping.
Again, I've hated the movie's sound mixing. And most of Nolan's movies have very shit sound mixing. That said, I still enjoyed it.
I've heard it's because Nolan keeps optimizing all his films for IMAX which means that non-IMAX theaters with inferior equipment suffer.
 
I've heard it's because Nolan keeps optimizing all his films for IMAX which means that non-IMAX theaters with inferior equipment suffer.
That means his DVDs aren't worth purchasing either. I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars on a whole home-entertainment complex.

 
Speaking of Japan and the movie, there appears to be a hashtag happening on Twitt-I MEAN X, #nobarbenheimer, because the ninnies think that the memes about Barbie and Oppenheimer and the nukes make light of the people who died from the nukes.

I, on the other hand, support the hashtag because I don't approve of associating feminist propaganda with something as glorious as nuking the nips.
 
The film was also an unintentional red pilled on how infiltrated academia was with communists even back then in the 1930s.
They were interested in the ideals of communism, a naïveté that parallels the desire of the security personnel to obtain the bomb without understanding the implications of the inevitable arms race.

Ernst Lawrence points out the hypocrisy of the academics wanting to create the FACET union by asking one of them how much they make and how much they have in common with farmers and factory workers, traditional members of unions. The academics want a union because everyone else does, and they reject or ignore concerns about the ramifications of their actions.

Also, I find it ironic that despite all the allegations of Oppenheimer spying for the Soviets, it was the Britain, Klaus Fuchs, who spied for the Soviets. In fact, the only other Soviet spy was an army mechanic, David Greenglass, who was stationed at Los Alamos and leaked some of the details about the mechanical aspects of the bomb.

Edit: apparently there was another American scientist, Theodore Hall, that leaked information to the Soviets. So there were a number of leakers, but Oppenheimer wasn’t one of them.
 
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I'm really wondering if I watched a different movie than everybody else. that shit was one of the most retarded, ridiculous, incoherent, boring, and pretentious shitpiles I've ever seen. one of the top 10 worst movies I've ever seen easily. the "nonlinear storytelling" editing is disjointed to the point of incoherency. I wasn't totally lost but it sure felt like a nonstop montage of 5-10 second clips of people talking in rooms. there was no flow at all, none of the major characters were ever formally introduced, people just kept getting dumped into scenes and then somebody name checks them at some point to establish their presence. the characterization of Oppenheimer himself was ridiculous, in every scene he's shown to be a purely sympathetic and soulful character, and any personal flaws he might demonstrate are only ever mentioned by other characters in a matter-of-fact way like it happened offscreen. not to mention the whole first part of the movie where they're trying to depict how he has some kind of genius-level conception of physical reality, by showing him staring through space and seeing fucking particles or some shit, it's not clear, it's literally just random special effects like lasers in midair and explosions and shit, like how a Hollywood moron would imagine the internal experience of being an Important Science Man. two scenes had me trying really hard to not burst out laughing in the middle of the theater:

1) at the beginning, when he's talking about his academic history, the movie keeps flashing back to the scene of him laying in his bed seeing lasers or whatever, and as the scene develops every time they come back to it, because it's cut into about 200 pieces due to the terrible editing, it finally reaches its climax when he sees the lasers start to rotate, and the music swells dramatically, as they rotate into the shape of the fucking atom symbol lmfao, like a redditor's conception of a particle physicist's epiphany

2) there's a scene where he's at a party chatting up some bitch, and there's one token line establishing her as a fellow academic, like "Oh so you study biology?" or something, before they smash cut to them fucking. but Oppenheimer goes soft mid-fuck, so she crawls over to his bookshelf, and starts making smarmy comments about the books there because she's Smart Academia Girl, then she pulls out a copy of the Bhagavad Gita with this ridiculous exasperation like "what even IS this????" there's a short exchange: "it's sanskrit" "can you read it?" "*bashfully, because he's a mega supergenius but not conceited about his amazing intelligence* ... some of it" and then she points to a specific paragraph and asks him to read it. he starts explaining it, and she interrupts him and says NO READ IT TO ME! and it's the fucking "I am become death" line, the thing he's famous for quoting, that's how they reference drop it, and while he's reading it, he gets hard again lmao, and they resume fucking. this is doubly hilarious if you consider the bomb test scene, where he recites the line in internal monologue while watching the explosion, but the only other time they mention it is when he's fucking? if Oppenheimer was a character that did not exist externally to this movie, that scene might read a bit differently

there are other scenes that stand out in my mind as well, like Truman physically recoiling in shock and disgust when Oppenheimer says he feels he has blood on his hands, and then yelling "don't let that CRYBABY back in here!!!" to the guy in the room with him, loud enough for Oppenheimer to hear it outside in the hall; the scenes where the physicists are shoving papers in front of each others' faces that supposedly contain proofs, but are only a couple pages long and take them about two seconds to read before they start soyfacing; or the part where his alcoholic wife girlbosses the evil security hearing attorney into submission. I don't know how anybody wrote or acted those scenes with a straight face. but after the credits started rolling, I heard people in the theater near me actually saying shit like "wow" "amazing" "that was so well done" out loud, so maybe I'm the one with the brain problems. but those people were also laughing and reacting on cue to every retarded moment in the movie trailers like a fucking studio audience
 
Speaking of Japan and the movie, there appears to be a hashtag happening on Twitt-I MEAN X, #nobarbenheimer, because the ninnies think that the memes about Barbie and Oppenheimer and the nukes make light of the people who died from the nukes.

I, on the other hand, support the hashtag because I don't approve of associating feminist propaganda with something as glorious as nuking the nips.
If the Japanese were smart, they'd just make their own film on one of the Nazi's rocket scientists and use the exact same arguments as the Americans do.
 
Speaking of Japan and the movie, there appears to be a hashtag happening on Twitt-I MEAN X, #nobarbenheimer, because the ninnies think that the memes about Barbie and Oppenheimer and the nukes make light of the people who died from the nukes.

I, on the other hand, support the hashtag because I don't approve of associating feminist propaganda with something as glorious as nuking the nips.
The thing that bugs me the most about #nobarbenheimer is that a lot of Japanese twitter users just do not understand the way Americans make fun of tragedy. They've been posting edits of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor as if we don't do that on a daily basis already.
 
The thing that bugs me the most about #nobarbenheimer is that a lot of Japanese twitter users just do not understand the way Americans make fun of tragedy. They've been posting edits of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor as if we don't do that on a daily basis already.
It's a cultural difference. Joking about tragedies the way Americans do is just not a thing in Japan.
 
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