Leaving Neverland - heehee

[MrTroll]

The documentary didn't do anything but appeal to emotion. They want you to feel sorry for these men who obviously want money because they're not living the good life anymore. Wade made a big mistake defending him in 2003 if he claims that Michael was abusing him the whole time. That's going to bite him in the ass and he knows it.

I think it's perfectly fair to scrutinize their motivations for participating in the documentary, but what's the financial incentive? If they want money from Jackson's family, it seems counter-intuitive that they'd dump all the most salacious details into a highly visible documentary. In fact, by going public they've made it impossible to pursue any kind of payoff from the estate for their silence, which would be the most obvious and lucrative path for monetary gain.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I think it's perfectly fair to scrutinize their motivations for participating in the documentary, but what's the financial incentive?

He already started a charity with his name on it and used the doc to beg for donations. My guess is that he makes himself the face of child abuse and cashes in on speaking/appearance fees. Its what the #metoo and Women's March founders did (and probably what Christine Blase Ford was planning before she got btfo).

 

[Saffronette]

He already started a charity with his name on it and used the doc to beg for donations. My guess is that he makes himself the face of child abuse and cashes in on speaking/appearance fees. Its what the #metoo and Women's March founders did (and probably what Christine Blase Ford was planning before she got btfo).

This guy is asking for donations? And gave himself $10k? I dunno if people are really gonna believe him if he pulls shit like that. ?‍

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

This guy is asking for donations? And gave himself $10k? I dunno if people are really gonna believe him if he pulls shit like that. ?‍

Yeah, the Jackson estate trying to protect a billion dollar empire surely has no financial motivation! It’s always about money with these child rape victims, am I right? Child rape victims motives must be pure and innocent, just like MJ’s loins.

Why could they possible expect any compensation from a the billion dollar estate of the man who raped them and has left them with lifelong psychological trauma that effects them to this day? I mean MJ gave them lots of gifts and fancy vacations for fucking them, shouldn’t that be enough?

It’s so suspect when people want some sort of punishment extracted for someone repeatedly raping them, don’t you think?

@Saffronette you didn’t answer my question about Micheals statement to Bashir that he had only had plastic surgery twice. Do you think Michael was telling the truth? Do you believe he’s only had two plastic surgeries?

 

[Saffronette]

As to his appearance, I don't think he had "hundreds" of surgeries like some claim. It's probably about as much you can count on one hand. As he got older, he was losing a lot of weight and had health issues like Lupus which made him look extra sickly. Don't see why that's really relevant anyways...

Also I like how you conveniently ignored my previous reply to you where I provided the information on why I believe he's innocent and how Bashir also dodged questions about the allegations during the trial. People who aren't even MJ fans themselves are seeing through Wade's and Safechuck's bullshit. Men who continued to hang around MJ as adults even though they claimed he abused them.

Maybe they shouldn't be sweating and stumbling over their stories during their interview with Oprah if they really want people to believe them.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

As to his appearance, I don't think he had "hundreds" of surgeries like some claim. It's probably about as much you can count on one hand. As he got older, he was losing a lot of weight and had health issues like Lupus which made him look extra sickly. Don't see why that's really relevant anyways...

Also I like how you conveniently ignored my previous reply to you where I provided the information on why I believe he's innocent and how Bashir also dodged questions about the allegations during the trial. People who aren't even MJ fans themselves are seeing through Wade's and Safechuck's bullshit. Men who continued to hang around MJ as adults even though they claimed he abused them.

Maybe they shouldn't be sweating and stumbling over their stories during their interview with Oprah if they really want people to believe them.

So you think Jackson lied about his plastic surgeries then? He lied with a straight face to Bashir. So this makes Jackson a liar trying to hide things that are totally obvious to everyone. He would obviously lie about raping kids too, while one he is molesting lays his head on his shoulders during the interview.

No one claims he had hundreds of surgeries either, maybe hundreds of cosmetic procedures but his surgeries are estimated between 20 - 40 by reputable surgeons who have done work on him or reviewed his photos over 20 years.

I didn’t ignore it what you posted but it’s just the same BS the Jackson lawyers have pushed for years. I mean you posted a video from his PR team ffs. It’s just desperate nick picking as if that changes anything.

Micheal admits sleeping with little boys in his bed, he says it’s how he shows love and he’s doing the interview with one of the boys he sleeps with by his side. No editing changes those facts. Multiple boys have stated he molested them and he’s paid settlements to silence boys he molested.

His history of sleeping with little boys goes back to the early 80’s when he took Emanuel Lewis on dates everywhere. Lewis was a child but his illness caused him to look even younger than his age. They were together for years until his mother found MJ checking into hotels with her son and immediately stopped allowing MJ near her son. Why was MJ checking into hotels in the middle of the day with a child?

Micheal Jackson was a sick, mentally ill, drug addicted man who groomed and raped young boys. The fact that people try to ignore that reality because they like his music is astounding and fascinating. MJ isn’t a pedo people are right along side of idiots who believe aliens built the pyramids and the earth is flat. No facts or evidence would ever sway them.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

As to his appearance, I don't think he had "hundreds" of surgeries like some claim. It's probably about as much you can count on one hand. As he got older, he was losing a lot of weight and had health issues like Lupus which made him look extra sickly. Don't see why that's really relevant anyways...

Also I like how you conveniently ignored my previous reply to you where I provided the information on why I believe he's innocent and how Bashir also dodged questions about the allegations during the trial. People who aren't even MJ fans themselves are seeing through Wade's and Safechuck's bullshit. Men who continued to hang around MJ as adults even though they claimed he abused them.

Maybe they shouldn't be sweating and stumbling over their stories during their interview with Oprah if they really want people to believe them.

So how much do you get per post? Or is it more based on a metric of how many people you irritate out of the thread? Lol whatever company is paying you is fucking wasting their money, everyone knows the dude's a fucking pedo, any normal person would have been behind bars the moment they said "Yeah I sleep with unrelated little boys in my bed all the time".

 

[pomme]

Wow, who knew this thread would devolve into an autistic slapfight

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Wow, who knew this thread would devolve into an autistic slapfight

It really hasn't though, it's been more like a couple autists running screaming into a room and getting slapped and then screaming more. From a distance it's hard to tell the difference, admittedly.

 

[Saffronette]

So how much do you get per post? Or is it more based on a metric of how many people you irritate out of the thread? Lol whatever company is paying you is fucking wasting their money, everyone knows the dude's a fucking pedo, any normal person would have been behind bars the moment they said "Yeah I sleep with unrelated little boys in my bed all the time".

No one is paying me anything, I'm fucking broke lol. I'm actually giving you guys sources and explaining why he wasn't guilty in the first place. Like you guys keep saying he had little boys when actually their whole families were present with them at all times. And you can't put someone behind bars on accusations alone, that's why he went to trial.

I did my research on this because I wanted to understand what the hell was going on. Because everytime I hear about how MJ is totally a pedo; there's no credible source provided, clips are taken out of context, some make up weird conspiracy theories...it's pretty ridiculous to say the least. And it's like they don't take it seriously and that's why this documentary bothered me.

 

[Nobunaga]

Looks like we are gonna have to make a michael jackson derangement syndrome to contain all these documentary shills

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

So how much do you get per post? Or is it more based on a metric of how many people you irritate out of the thread? Lol whatever company is paying you is fucking wasting their money, everyone knows the dude's a fucking pedo, any normal person would have been behind bars the moment they said "Yeah I sleep with unrelated little boys in my bed all the time".

It’s interesting because most of his posts on this board are about defending MJ, that voice actor Vic dude and furrie art.

I don’t bother engaging with MJ defenders on most platforms because they are either paid flack or really insane women. I thought if any turned up here they would be genuine and I’m always curious about the psychology behind stuff like this and how people can think a certain way in the face of mountains of facts and evidence. Scientologists are a prime example of this.

Usually what I’ve found is the people defending crazy shit haven’t actually looked at the evidence. I don’t believe @Saffronette has actually watched the doco. (@Saffronette what did Wade claim Michael did when he went to visit him in Las Vegas and met his kids? How long did Wade stay with him when he first visited Neverland?)

But they always claim they have carefully reviewed all sides of the situation and logically drawn XXX conclusion, but they haven’t. They simply read and watch with what they agree with it. It’s just confirmation bias behavior.

I actually have watched a lot of the spin put out by the Jackson estate because it’s just fascinating to watch how people can try to alter reality. How smearing victims and questioning their motives is always the first defense. You can’t easily defend MJ it’s much easier to attack his victims and the media instead.

I’m not going to shit up the thread with pointless back and forth, but I just think it’s interesting to watch how ppl defend this shit and how they ties themselves in knots to explain away Jackson’s own behavior and words.

 

[LN 910]

Nigga I'm on your side but stop posting these retarded walls of text

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

You guys are so focused on Wade and are conveniently ignoring James Safechuck's gutwrenching testimony.

I agree. Jimmy is the strongest of the two and wasn't a fan of Michael's when he met him.
Unfortunately there's one problem with the whole hearsay thing and evidence. So much child sex abuse goes on without evidence because it's hard to prove and people are disbelieved. Unless they're complete morons, most predators are smart enough to do it secretly. Especially when it goes on for years like the two victims claim they were. You have to be caught in the act and children and teenagers and minors don't collect evidence when it happens or save it.
That's my problem with that defense.

 

[Cuatro Vaginas]

If it wasn't for this place I wouldn't have known about this documentary, it was worth the watch.

I'll just keep my opinions about the case to myself and only say that it is a fucking great documentary, disturbing and tragic, everyone who is interested about the case or has been a fan of MJ or if you want a creepy afternoon, give it a watch.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I don't remember any stumbling over their stories in that documentary. I do remember seeing the haunted look that a lot of child sex abuse victims have as adults. That's what made them believable to me. Especially Jimmy.
As for sweating- I mean to be fair, most people aren't going to be cheery when talking about freaking sex abuse.

 

[Syaoran Li]

That really doesn't make any sense. They didn't find anything while he was alive or after his corpse was fresh. It's fucking ridiculous what lengths people will go to prove he "totally was a pedophile".

Like I find it hard to believe that he was this masterful, manipulative monster people make him out to be. On the surface, it's easy to make these claims because Michael himself was an awkward, sheltered, and paranoid guy. Simple as that. People see the weirdness and think, "of course he would do these things he's a wacko."

But when I took the time out to learn about the trials and what really went down, it seemed more and more like a circus. People (the accusers) took advantage of his kindness for money and when the funds stopped coming, they got angry. The easiest way to ruin someone is pedophile accusations and Michael happened to be the perfect target for many.

Guys, I think we discovered the Jackson Estate's newest bot.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

It's kind of funny how people constantly bring up "so and so went to trial and were found not guilty" while still ignoring that most of the time, rich celebrities get good lawyers and get away with their crimes. Even moreso if Cochrane was involved, who did defend Michael at some point.

 

[Saffronette]

It’s interesting because most of his posts on this board are about defending MJ, that voice actor Vic dude and furrie art.

I don’t bother engaging with MJ defenders on most platforms because they are either paid flack or really insane women. I thought if any turned up here they would be genuine and I’m always curious about the psychology behind stuff like this and how people can think a certain way in the face of mountains of facts and evidence. Scientologists are a prime example of this.

Usually what I’ve found is the people defending crazy shit haven’t actually looked at the evidence. I don’t believe @Saffronette has actually watched the doco. (@Saffronette what did Wade claim Michael did when he went to visit him in Las Vegas and met his kids? How long did Wade stay with him when he first visited Neverland?)

But they always claim they have carefully reviewed all sides of the situation and logically drawn XXX conclusion, but they haven’t. They simply read and watch with what they agree with it. It’s just confirmation bias behavior.

I actually have watched a lot of the spin put out by the Jackson estate because it’s just fascinating to watch how people can try to alter reality. How smearing victims and questioning their motives is always the first defense. You can’t easily defend MJ it’s much easier to attack his victims and the media instead.

I’m not going to shit up the thread with pointless back and forth, but I just think it’s interesting to watch how ppl defend this shit and how they ties themselves in knots to explain away Jackson’s own behavior and words.

Ah so you skimmed through my posts and didn't really take the time to read any of them. How nice.

Yet again you imply I didn't watch the documentary at all. I sat through all 4 hours and the Oprah interview. The fact that Wade implies that while he was in Las Vegas he implies that Michael was drinking heavily and abusing his own children is really messed up. His kids don't show signs of trauma especially when they talk about him. If they did, we would have heard about it already.

Secondly why is it that I can't question the validity of this documentary? I have seen many documentaries over the past 15+ years and of course not all of them are going to be factual. Some are going to embellish the truth and exaggerate certain things. Leaving Neverland does a good job of manipulating your emotions because these two men are describing in graphic detail on how Michael apparently abused them.

It's upsetting to hear these things and of course people are going to say, "Yes he's guilty alright." Without actually questioning their reasons for doing this now when they defended MJ before.

 

[Travoltron]

An important detail people seem to forget was that when Neverland was raided there was no child pornography found.

This is a lie that Jackson's fans like to tell. There totally was child porn.
Michael Jackson's secret underage sex closet: Inside the raid that 'uncovered King of Pop's extensive collection of photos featuring naked teenage boys'
If any of us regular folk had been caught with this shit, we'd be in prison for years and be on the sex offender registry. Wacko Jacko is lucky he's a celebrity with high-priced lawyers.
Michael Jackson had every kind of porn you can imagine and he showed it to the children to try and get them horny so he could make his move on them. Even Corey Feldman admits Michael showed him an inappropriate book.