Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - Life Finds A Way

[Johnny Bravo]

One crazy thing about the Jurassic Park franchise is how certain scenes from the first film still look incredible to this day while the newest films have virtually no moments of believable CGI. While I greatly enjoyed the use of animatronics in Fallen Kingdom (the blood transfusion from the T-Rex especially) the CGI was cartoony for the most part.

 

[Gordon Cole]

Name one time the 5th film of a sci-fi franchise (or any franchise) was good.

Uh, Death Wish V?

 

[Adamska]

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Yeah... turns out that the dinos solved the problem by eating stuff with lysine in it like soy beans in the book; it's how the compies and other dinos were still around in Costa Rica.

My issue is the utter contempt and willful ignorance of their own world when writing this turd; the Mosasaur pit alone shows how little they give a shit about their own work, let alone the originals.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Georg Rockall-Schmidt recently took a calm look through how the franchise changed, with slight jabs here and there. He ends the video saying that Fallen Kingdom may be a weak, perhaps fillerish film, but he believes the franchise to have a better consistency rate out there compared to other juggernauts (Die Hard and Terminator, for examples he name-dropped), and thinks the filmmakers had to push themselves through this film in order to get to and make the film they want to make. Which, honestly, I can see there being a lot of potential with the current loose plot-threads, but they're also easy to fuck up.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2qvEZ3mCfxQ
Georg Rockall-Schmidt recently took a calm look through how the franchise changed, with slight jabs here and there. He ends the video saying that Fallen Kingdom may be a weak, perhaps fillerish film, but he believes the franchise to have a better consistency rate out there compared to other juggernauts (Die Hard and Terminator, for examples he name-dropped), and thinks the filmmakers had to push themselves through this film in order to get to and make the film they want to make. Which, honestly, I can see there being a lot of potential with the current loose plot-threads, but they're also easy to fuck up.

I agree, the only JP film I truly hated was 3 and that was largely because it shit all over the T-Rex for no reason. I know there's a lot wrong with 3 but the Spino killing - or rather executing the Rex is the one part that sticks with me as being indicative of the film's cancerous attitude toward the audience and the franchise as a whole.

Personally I liked the second half of the film with the dinosaurs in the mansion. It was nice to see them in a new environment. The idea of being trapped inside a building with these animals brought back feelings of anxiety to similar to the kitchen scene in the original JP, whereas the Rex roaming San Diego in JP 2 was more whimsical than threatening. Although I would have preferred it if Blue's relationship with Chris Pratt had been properly established in JW (she spends the first half trying to eat him but later risks her life to save him?) I even like the idea of her being a direct human ally in future films. I'm excited to see this franchise try new things.

 

[Adamska]

Blue's actions were established in the first movie @Johnny Bravo ; she was just like the other raptors in that she only respected strength and was basically a feral dog at best. If Starlord did something to lose her trust (like literally every fucking ordeal in the second movie she went through), she'd have eaten him.

A lot of things were established in World (like the Mosasaur pen not being connected to the ocean). However, the same crew behind it ducked out of everything they wrote, doubled down on the military idea that was the thing I hated most in World, cynically used either knock-offs of old characters or only brought them on to pretend they're not just smashing action figures together, and for a script took a really dumb script that was rejected for world and rewrote it by stapling Lost World with Dino Crisis in an uneven two acts. It's why I hate this movie.

Also, gonna be a dick and say 3 was my third favorite, if only by dint of me really hating Lost World.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I didn't save the comment, but on one of the Jurassic Park videos, someone made a really good point that the Jurassic Park franchise has just somehow-or-another romanticized the Velociraptor, when they were originally portrayed as these destructive, monstrous creatures who think you're tastier than chicken, but they maliciously toy with you first before taking you down. It's quite telling just how much different the Velociraptor is from the first film to even just Jurassic Park 3, where they would've (should've) been more than happy to take down Alan and gang after they returned the eggs. And as much as I like Blue, she is extremely different to the point she's becoming more of a hero than the actual force of nature the species represents in the series.

The comment also made the point to bring up that the book Raptors were as vicious as they were because they never had parental figures of their own species to nurture them in how to act more civilized with each other. There's still elements of that in the first film, but it's the most stated/shown in the book, driven most strongly with the scene in which the Raptors end up brutally cannibalizing a youngling in the nursery. Cannibalism isn't anything new in the animal kingdom, of course, but it was at its harshest, most cold with the Raptors due to their lack of "social cues", relying purely on the most basic of instincts that a cloned dinosaur could have.

I get what the Jurassic World film was going for with the Raptors, though. It seems like they were toying with the idea of possible domestication with dinosaurs, yet they decided to use Raptors to test this theory out when there were other docile dinosaurs they could've trained instead. I don't exactly remember if it was mentioned in Jurassic World if the Raptors were from different broods, but it does almost feel tacked on that Blue was the one who developed empathy and thus why she had respect toward Owen outside of the imprinting. Still, I think it remains to be seen if Blue is going to always have a soft spot for humans (as long as Owen was still around) or if she'll just give in to instinct and not care who she slaughters just as long as they taste good.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Blue's actions were established in the first movie @Johnny Bravo ; she was just like the other raptors in that she only respected strength and was basically a feral dog at best. If Starlord did something to lose her trust (like literally every fucking ordeal in the second movie she went through), she'd have eaten him.

A lot of things were established in World (like the Mosasaur pen not being connected to the ocean). However, the same crew behind it ducked out of everything they wrote, doubled down on the military idea that was the thing I hated most in World, cynically used either knock-offs of old characters or only brought them on to pretend they're not just smashing action figures together, and for a script took a really dumb script that was rejected for world and rewrote it by stapling Lost World with Dino Crisis in an uneven two acts. It's why I hate this movie.

What I meant was that I liked the direction they went in JW 2 and I wish they'd established those plot points in JW 1 instead of just retconning them later.

Also, gonna be a dick and say 3 was my third favorite, if only by dint of me really hating Lost World.

You gonna criticize JW for being silly but say you like the movie that had this in it.

 

[Adamska]

You gonna criticize JW for being silly but say you like the movie that had this in it.

It had better pathos (in that it was divorced parents forcibly working together to get back their son), used its cast better overall and without the trickery of JW2, had a less retarded and a simpler story, and that's one moment compared to the many in Lost World 2: Dino Crisis. Also it's nice to see you forgot I consider it in the middle, given I gave the original Jurassic World second spot if only by the dint of it being the most entertaining out of the lot that aren't very good. The only good movie was the first; just like Highlander.

But hell, if we're doing this: need I bring up how Starlord survives pyroclastic flows? The fact he didn't die of heat stroke from lava? The chicken screeching indian man and the vet girl only brought on due to the middle school level writing needing a tech guy and a vet lady for one or two tasks that could've been replaced with Heels or Bootleg Tembo's guys? The tube dinosaur scene of utter pointlessness? The release of the Mosasaur itself due to the world's dumbest I-Pad?

I legit can go on, since JW2 is genuinely orders of magnitude more stupid and is so dumb it goes past funny and into plain awful.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

It had better pathos (in that it was divorced parents forcibly working together to get back their son), used its cast better overall and without the trickery of JW2, had a less exceptional and a simpler story, and that's one moment compared to the many in Lost World 2: Dino Crisis. Also it's nice to see you forgot I consider it in the middle, given I gave the original Jurassic World second spot if only by the dint of it being the most entertaining out of the lot that aren't very good. The only good movie was the first; just like Highlander.

But hell, if we're doing this: need I bring up how Starlord survives pyroclastic flows? The fact he didn't die of heat stroke from lava? The chicken screeching indian man and the vet girl only brought on due to the middle school level writing needing a tech guy and a vet lady for one or two tasks that could've been replaced with Heels or Bootleg Tembo's guys? The tube dinosaur scene of utter pointlessness? The release of the Mosasaur itself due to the world's dumbest I-Pad?

I legit can go on, since JW2 is genuinely orders of magnitude more stupid and is so dumb it goes past funny and into plain awful.

Oh please do go on, it'll be funny watching you get increasingly pissed off as you try to prove a point I already agree with. JW 2 is dumb. I'm just not mad about it.

To me the JW films seem like they're made by people who love JP. They're not smart or talented enough to make a worthy sequel, but their films are fun. One thing I recently found out is that the T-Rex in JW and JW 2 is supposed to be the same individual from the original JP. You can tell if you look closely at her markings and facial scars. This is an easter egg that I feel will be missed by 90% of the audience, a subtle reference that the director never draws attention to, yet it's there because somebody on the production team gave a shit. Even without knowing this the fight at the end of JW with Blue, the Rex, and the Indominous is pure, unadulterated fanservice and it's so dumb it's practically fucking brain dead but I love it.

The way I see it JP died with JP 3. JP 3 is an entire movie where the director jacks off in your face about how much more awesomer Spinosaurus is than T-Rex. Being dumb as a rock is the least of JP 3's problems imo. By the way, it's very generous of you to call the most predictable story arch in JP 3 'pathos' when the characters involved aren't even the slightest bit likeable. Well, the kid might be okay, but the parents are turds. Anyway, I'm getting off track. Point is that JW is to me "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Slock."

PS - Since you brought it up, here's how I rank the films from best to worst: JP, JP 2, JW, JW 2, JP 3.

 

[GnomeofDoc]

Uh, Death Wish V?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KvlH2mLf6l4

The only correct answer right there.

 

[Adamska]

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Honestly, when your main barometer for why a film sucks or is good is one monster being shown off rather than pretty much every other thing that's important to making a good film, I can't really agree with you. I also find that you think the JW guys actually are fans of the series rather laughable given how little they care for anything but dino fights and noise festivals. That they couldn't even be arsed to cite their own theme park schematics for JW2 and had to ex cathedra Isla Sorna for why this expedition is important is proof of how little they care about their world other than for the inbuilt fans.

I'll admit to getting pissy, but that's more because I'm watching people enable what will just be another Transformers series based on what was in this film; a big squat on an IP and a multi-hour carnival of toy smashing rather than a good movie.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Honestly, when your main barometer for why a film sucks or is good is one monster being shown off rather than pretty much every other thing that's important to making a good film, I can't really agree with you.

Man, you really don't get it. The T-Rex in Jurassic Park is iconic. It'd be like if at the start of Alien 3 a brand new alien nobody had ever seen before walked in and shot the original xenophormph in the head, then the rest of the movie was about this new alien instead of the iconic alien we all know. Or if at the start of JP 3 a pack of velicoraptors was slaughtered by a pack of utahraptors and for the rest of the movie it was only utahraptors.

I also find that you think the JW guys actually are fans of the series rather laughable given how little they care for anything but dino fights and noise festivals.

Yeah, I said they were dumb fans who meant well.

That they couldn't even be arsed to cite their own theme park schematics for JW2 and had to ex cathedra Isla Sorna for why this expedition is important is proof of how little they care about their world other than for the inbuilt fans.

What do you not understand about the word dumb?

I'll admit to getting pissy, but that's more because I'm watching people enable what will just be another Transformers series based on what was in this film; a big squat on an IP and a multi-hour carnival of toy smashing rather than a good movie.

I literally don't care. The franchise has been dead for ten years and JP 3 was awful. IMO the JW series has yet to reach that level. I also don't think JW is anywhere near Transformers in terms of quality.

 

[Muttnik]

I look at the first Jurassic Park movie the same way I look at the original Star Wars trilogy--good shit completely disconnected in their own little universes away from the hack schlock that comes after them. That's how I've always felt and it doesn't change now anymore than it changed then.

Let Hollywood make dumb popcorn films. It doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

One thing I recently found out is that the T-Rex in JW and JW 2 is supposed to be the same individual from the original JP. You can tell if you look closely at her markings and facial scars.

That is absolutely fucking dumb for a wide variety of reasons, but mostly because it completely ruins some of the darker and more interesting parts of the original film. Crichton is spinning in his grave so fast you could power the Park's backup generator.

This is why fanboys shouldn't make franchise movies. They just do a bunch of stupid shit like this because they think the dinosaurs are actual fucking characters or something. I'm sick of this corporate pop culture crap.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

That is absolutely fucking dumb for a wide variety of reasons, but mostly because it completely ruins some of the darker and more interesting parts of the original film. Crichton is spinning in his grave so fast you could power the Park's backup generator.

This is why fanboys shouldn't make franchise movies. They just do a bunch of stupid shit like this because they think the dinosaurs are actual fucking characters or something. I'm sick of this corporate pop culture crap.

You're gonna have to explain to me why that's dumb. In universe it'd be way more cost effective for the park to catch the old T-Rex that's still roaming around the ruined park than clone a whole new one. They'd have to track it down anyway, or else they'd have a wild Rex roaming free around Jurassic World from opening day. For obvious reasons they don't care that this Rex has eaten people before. Only a few people have ever seen this Rex up close and all of them have sworn off ever returning to the island so there wouldn't even be a public controversy.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

If it hadn't been pointed out that Rexy in JW is the same one from Jurassic Park, I would've just gone on to think it was the baby T-Rex from Lost World all grown up . Not sure why, exactly, but I dunno, maybe I just find it a little bit hard to believe the original T-Rex would've survived in the abandoned park for about twenty years.

 

[Adamska]

You're gonna have to explain to me why that's dumb. In universe it'd be way more cost effective for the park to catch the old T-Rex that's still roaming around the ruined park than clone a whole new one. They'd have to track it down anyway, or else they'd have a wild Rex roaming free around Jurassic World from opening day. For obvious reasons they don't care that this Rex has eaten people before. Only a few people have ever seen this Rex up close and all of them have sworn off ever returning to the island so there wouldn't even be a public controversy.

Because it'd be on death's door due to being so old by World it isn't even funny (it's suspected they have a lifespan of only about 30 years). Because the idiots behind this dumpsterfire did the ex cathedra (basically from the chair/ie declaring shit in promos without putting in effort)of claiming that it is that, and ex cathedra'ing anything like that is hackneyed, lazy, and retarded. Literally fuck directors and creators for doing this; if it isn't in the finished work, then I'm not counting it since it enables you to be lazy with your product and rely solely on fickle fans to defend unfinished schlock.

They did this from the chair horseshit with Sorna too (which the young Rex would've at least been a smarter idea btw), which to me was just them wanting to artificially put stakes on JW2 but didn't want to directly explain why those stakes are there.

Also, the Rex was only one iconic dinosaur from the film, and it's not supposed to be a movie monster given it's supposed to just be an animal. Besides, the true "monsters" were and always were supposed to be the raptors, so by your own logic the xenos are always there.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Because it'd be on death's door due to being so old by World it isn't even funny (it's suspected they have a lifespan of only about 30 years).

The dinosaurs in JP have a hodgepodge of filler DNA that lets them do stuff like change genders. A cloned Rex having a longer than average lifespan compared to its natural born cousins millions of years ago is not out of the question. Even if that isn't true, an average lifespan is just that - an average. With no competition from other predators on the island she could easily live past 30.

EDIT: I should also mention that worldwide only about 50 Rex fossils have been found, most incomplete. I don't think that's enough to come up with a reliable average.

Also, the Rex was only one iconic dinosaur from the film, and it's not supposed to be a movie monster given it's supposed to just be an animal.

We both know that ended with JP 3, which still sucks.

Besides, the true "monsters" were and always were supposed to be the raptors, so by your own logic the xenos are always there.

Is that why the most iconic image of the franchise is the Rex roaring in front of a falling Jurassic Park banner? Or why the logo prominently features a Rex skull and only a Rex skull? Or why up until JP 3 the Rexs always had more screentime than the raptors?

If it hadn't been pointed out that Rexy in JW is the same one from Jurassic Park, I would've just gone on to think it was the baby T-Rex from Lost World all grown up . Not sure why, exactly, but I dunno, maybe I just find it a little bit hard to believe the original T-Rex would've survived in the abandoned park for about twenty years.

There's no reason to think she wouldn't. There are no other predators on the island that could have competed with her. Hell, at Site B the Rexs were happily reproducing and the ecosystem seemed to be thriving.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

W

The dinosaurs in JP have a hodgepodge of filler DNA that lets them do stuff like change genders. A cloned Rex having a longer than average lifespan compared to its natural born cousins millions of years ago is not out of the question. Even if that isn't true, an average lifespan is just that - an average. With no competition from other predators on the island she could easily live past 30.

EDIT: I should also mention that worldwide only about 50 Rex fossils have been found, most incomplete. I don't think that's enough to come up with a reliable average.



We both know that ended with JP 3, which still sucks.



Is that why the most iconic image of the franchise is the Rex roaring in front of a falling Jurassic Park banner? Or why the logo prominently features a Rex skull and only a Rex skull? Or why up until JP 3 the Rexs always had more screentime than the raptors?





There's no reason to think she wouldn't. There are no other predators on the island that could have competed with her. Hell, at Site B the Rexs were happily reproducing and the ecosystem seemed to be thriving.

Why is the Rex being the same one from the original film even supposed to be some kind of draw? It's just a big fucking dangerous animal which terrorized them. It was a character in the same way the iceberg from Titanic was a character. Holy shit.