Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - Life Finds A Way

[Kari Kamiya]

I've funnily enough just came home from Barnes & Noble with a copy of The Lost World (was the only copy there, I got to it first before my brother did lol), exactly a week since getting the first book, so I'll start reading it here in just a bit. Looking forward to it.

 

[Owen Grady]

I've funnily enough just came home from Barnes & Noble with a copy of The Lost World (was the only copy there, I got to it first before my brother did lol), exactly a week since getting the first book, so I'll start reading it here in just a bit. Looking forward to it.

I haven't read the The Lost World novel since I was like, twelve. I really should read it again since it's been so long and I'm a Jurassic Park "collector" of sorts so I have like four different copies around anyway.

Spoiler: Not really spoiler-ey but I'll put this here just in case.

I remember feeling like it was a bit more preachy than the last one, though I suppose that would make sense considering Malcolm is the main character this time around. The character of Richard Levine is a pretentious autist and I didn't like him much.

The book does a great job explaining the need for a second island and giving this sequel a story with real grounds for existing outside of it just being there to make more money off of the success of the first novel and film.

Also Dodgson is given a major role and we see more of him, which is cool.

Many of the death scenes are also pretty spectacular.

I'm glad you're liking the series so much. I hope you enjoy the read.

 

[omori]

Dunno if this was brought up already (or if it even fucking matters to this thread) but they're planning in a redesign of the Jurassic Park ride in USH to be Jurassic World. I expect an overuse of LED walls over animatronics, which in a way sums up where this IP and many others has gone over the years: playing to the audience's nostalgia while simultaneously shutting on it.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Incoming autism (that's apparently been discussed in the fandom for a while now):

Yeah, I didn't think those were stuffed dinosaurs, but turns out that's what they are--though in hindsight, they do look a little too authentic to have just been statues. And that's some really interesting background lore, damn. I'm still on the fence with Fallen Kingdom and all that, but there definitely was thought put into the set design, and I'm a bit bummed that this is information that's locked away in backstory and easter eggs. Would've been nice to have some confirmation in the film itself.

Also small update on my reading through Lost World, it's been a really slow read for me, weirdly enough, only been able to read bits and pieces once a week. But I'm just now getting to where Malcolm and others are heading to Site B, so looking forward to that. I find it interesting that the film combined Arby and Kelly into one character and as Malcolm's daughter, so I'm looking forward to whatever roles they'll play in the book. I also don't remember a Levine in the film (I don't always remember names), but man it was pretty freaky as soon as he got on the island. I liked the jump cut from him being attacked from behind to a filmed lecture of his, I love it when that technique happens in books.

 

[Puddleduck]

Also small update on my reading through Lost World, it's been a really slow read for me, weirdly enough, only been able to read bits and pieces once a week. But I'm just now getting to where Malcolm and others are heading to Site B, so looking forward to that. I find it interesting that the film combined Arby and Kelly into one character and as Malcolm's daughter, so I'm looking forward to whatever roles they'll play in the book. I also don't remember a Levine in the film (I don't always remember names), but man it was pretty freaky as soon as he got on the island. I liked the jump cut from him being attacked from behind to a filmed lecture of his, I love it when that technique happens in books.

I love the Lost World book <3 Jack Thorne and Eddie Carr were also both smushed into one (Eddie) for the movie.

How unspoiled are you? Some of Klayton's videos go into a fair bit of detail...

 

[Kari Kamiya]

How unspoiled are you? Some of Klayton's videos go into a fair bit of detail...

I think I'm pretty good with going into Lost World unspoiled, it was mainly stuff in Jurassic Park that I saw of his. I still wholly enjoyed that book despite being spoiled on some of the moments like their "oh shit" moment when Malcolm asked them to look up the dinosaur population and Alan and the kids on the river being chased by the T-Rex.

 

[Puddleduck]

I think I'm pretty good with going into Lost World unspoiled, it was mainly stuff in Jurassic Park that I saw of his. I still wholly enjoyed that book despite being spoiled on some of the moments like their "oh shit" moment when Malcolm asked them to look up the dinosaur population and Alan and the kids on the river being chased by the T-Rex.

Awesome!
Call me faggy but when I first read that book Sarah Harding was pretty inspirational to me haha, she's great to Kelly. I was waay too young to read it when I did, I was like 7 or 8 D:

 

[Puddleduck]

What I love most about the book is Sarah Harding was basically Owen Grady twenty years before Owen Grady was conceptualized. Right down to chasing raptors on a motorcycle.

I don't really agree, tbh the only thing she has in common is that she was on a motorcycle in the presence of Raptors
(spoilered to not ruin the book)

Spoiler

She studied animals in the wild, but didn't really have any affinity to a particular species. She was at best indifferent towards the dinosaurs, outside of a detached academic interest, and wondering how such a small island could sustain them all. Owen loved the Raptors, especially Blue.
Even the motorcycle thing - in the book she was going to retrieve a key from the antagonistic Raptors, and in the movie Owen was riding alongside them to fight the Indo, and that point they were "friends"

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Yeh; JP1 was actually a pretty decent book-to-movie translation. Not perfect; an online reviewer I watch made the point that it seems like they had to change *something* about virtually every scene and character, sometimes just for the sake of change. But it hits a lot of the same plot points, and has a lot of the same characters.

JP2...

Spoiler

No, not so much. The movie and the book... They borrow a (very) few character names and about two very rough ideas (A second Island! An expedition with awesome high-tech motorhomes!), and beyond that they're almost unrelated.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Yeh; JP1 was actually a pretty decent book-to-movie translation. Not perfect; an online reviewer I watch made the point that it seems like they had to change *something* about virtually every scene and character, sometimes just for the sake of change. But it hits a lot of the same plot points, and has a lot of the same characters.

JP2...

Spoiler

No, not so much. The movie and the book... They borrow a (very) few character names and about two very rough ideas (A second Island! An expedition with awesome high-tech motorhomes!), and beyond that they're almost unrelated.

In the case of the first film, it's because the book was just a little too dark and cynical. Spielberg doesn't do dour--even Jaws had a sort of heroic levity to it--and he perfected his unique brand of shmultz into box office gold. Jurassic Park was exactly the movie it needed to be. Bitter intellectuals could always just read the book for their dose of doom and gloom.

As for Lost World though I dunno. Crichton wrote it specifically at Spielberg's request, so it's weird to me how the guy basically ignored the entire book. Now that novel was also a bitter and cynical collection of rejected Scientific American essays with even more grisly death scenes. So it makes sense there would've been some changes. But it really does feel like Spielberg and David Koepp just decided to make an entirely different movie.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

One thing I noticed on going back and re-watching the 2nd and 3rd movies recently...

At no point do either of the two movies really explain the 2nd Island. Hammond's explanation in the start of the second movie is so brief as to almost be non-existent and from then on it's just... kinda glossed over and taken for granted.

The second novel is basically all about the *why* of Site B and what happened there. Neither the 2nd or 3rd movie address any of it, at all. They're just set there.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

One thing I noticed on going back and re-watching the 2nd and 3rd movies recently...

At no point do either of the two movies really explain the 2nd Island. Hammond's explanation in the start of the second movie is so brief as to almost be non-existent and from then on it's just... kinda glossed over and taken for granted.

The second novel is basically all about the *why* of Site B and what happened there. Neither the 2nd or 3rd movie address any of it, at all. They're just set there.

The actual description of the reason for Isla Sorna directly contradicts the kindly old Santa Claus characterization Hammond inevitably wound up with because of casting Richard Attenborough.

 

[Zaryiu]

The actual description of the reason for Isla Sorna directly contradicts the kindly old Santa Claus characterization Hammond inevitably wound up with because of casting Richard Attenborough.

Tell me more?

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Tell me more?

Spoiler

In the novel, they discover an InGen facility filled with deformed and aborted embryos. Malcolm realizes Site B was where InGen did its dirty work and how the animals at Jurassic Park represented only like a percent of how many dinosaurs the company actually tried making. They kept all their trial and error shit at a hidden facility because the process had a massive failure rate

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Well this is interesting.

Klayton brings up the criticisms of Zara's death by the end, saying it may have played a part in why this scene was cut. I don't own the movie yet (didn't realize it came out just this week), so can anyone who does own it explain what happens in the scene, if it's included in the deleted scenes?

 

[Owen Grady]

Well this is interesting.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yodO7gf323Y
Klayton brings up the criticisms of Zara's death by the end, saying it may have played a part in why this scene was cut. I don't own the movie yet (didn't realize it came out just this week), so can anyone who does own it explain what happens in the scene, if it's included in the deleted scenes?

I got the 4K Best Buy Steelbook version of the movie. There are no deleted scenes on it and after doing some research I don't think there are deleted scenes on any of the other versions either. I tried to find out if there was any more info on the scene but it was hard to find anything because it seemed like every other result that popped up was another article on that stupid three-second line that was cut out about Daniella Pineda's godawful Tumblr snowflake character being a lesbian.

The avid dissenters of Zara's death in the last movie are wrong. She absolutely had a reason to be killed. I wrote about that here back when the movie came out and The Mary Sue tried to pull a sexism hitpiece on it.

 

[Adamska]

I got the 4K Best Buy Steelbook version of the movie. There are no deleted scenes on it and after doing some research I don't think there are deleted scenes on any of the other versions either. I tried to find out if there was any more info on the scene but it was hard to find anything because it seemed like every other result that popped up was another article on that stupid three-second line that was cut out about Daniella Pineda's godawful Tumblr snowflake character being a lesbian.

The avid dissenters of Zara's death in the last movie are wrong. She absolutely had a reason to be killed. I wrote about that here back when the movie came out and The Mary Sue tried to pull a sexism hitpiece on it.

That's a longwinded validation over what is a death more fit for the asshole military guy (the arguable bad guy and the biggest drag on the film by far) than what comes off as an annoyed and overworked flunky tho. Her death mind you is an overblown spectacle that has more in common with Eddie's death than the bad guy's just desserts.

Plus it stems from a "theme" argument that is often used to explain away poor writing and fill in the gaps of the movie the director or crew should have done instead. In the examples you listed prior, Gennaro was murdered for actively ditching the kids and leaving them to potentially die. Ludlow for essentially being a robber baron out of Captain Planet. By the by, her death still was a bigger spectacle than both of these two by the way. The disaster didn't even happen yet with that scene, and as far as I remember, she was forced to watch the kids because heels couldn't be arsed too.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

This film was great, for unintentionally being the most witless CURRENT YEAR film I've ever seen.

An old almost-white STEM shitlord tells these idiots to let nature reclaim man-made dinomonsters, because he knows just how dangerous they are. It does no good. One of the first scenes shows a hipster telemarketer with a worthless college degree begging a politician on the phone, while whining about being poor. A white lady who should know better, and the lesbiasian, ascribe human sentimentality to artificially made dino simulacra, like some white trash lady defending her ghetto-bred pitbull after it bites a kid. The azn bitch with no survival experience REEEEES at Muldoon2. She don't need no experience, no white man, she has a science gun. Starlord is another fucking white male who tells them it's a bad idea, but he gets dragged along because he's the only one with the experience to make it work.

The original film had clear thoughts to express on the state of humanity, and let the characters express them. This one only accidentally has that. The original film would have killed off the diversity squad characters for being wastes of flesh, but in current year they emerge completely unscathed. At the end, they let dinosaur refugees loose to rampage across America, killing everything in their path, just because it hurts to say "no".

T-Rex smashing down a wall at the end. Take that mander in chief. A+++ film.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

The original film had clear thoughts to express on the state of humanity, and let the characters express them. This one only accidentally has that. The original film would have killed off the diversity squad characters for being wastes of flesh, but in current year they emerge completely unscathed. At the end, they let dinosaur refugees loose to rampage across America, killing everything in their path, just because it hurts to say "no".

I agree with your post and all, but I'm pretty sure this was just the next level of the franchise's overall message of "Yo, stop doing this shit [genetic engineering] or you're going to fuck humanity over because of chaos theory". People in the modern day aren't taking it into account that by opening Pandora's box bringing dinosaurs back from extinction, you've essentially cursed the world, and Mother Nature's not happy to be ignored--both in-film and meta (I want to believe we're smart enough to not clone dinosaurs like the T-Rex, but with talks of "de-extinction" by bringing back the woolly mammoth, what's the next most popular extinct animal to consider resurrecting?...). When it comes to Jurassic World this message may have been accidental on the crew's part, which, given people in general are just sadly that ignorant about their consequences, just further vindicates everything Ian Malcolm has been saying.

So by having "progressives" doing "progressive" things involving dinosaurs, it doesn't go as planned for them, and so the attempt to "progress" humanity has ultimately led to humanity's eventual (self) destruction. If not in the present (in-film) with the dinosaurs running free state-side, it will in the future with governments/corporations funding labs to clone dinosaurs for something like, mmmmm, warfare. Because mankind just can't not have war.

Y'know, this would probably be quite the self-aware franchise if the people making the films were self-aware themselves, but this is Hollywood we're talking about...

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Klayton brings up the criticisms of Zara's death by the end

I got the 4K Best Buy Steelbook version of the movie. There are no deleted scenes on it and after doing some research I don't think there are deleted scenes on any of the other versions either. I tried to find out if there was any more info on the scene but it was hard to find anything because it seemed like every other result that popped up was another article on that stupid three-second line that was cut out about Daniella Pineda's godawful Tumblr snowflake character being a lesbian.

The avid dissenters of Zara's death in the last movie are wrong. She absolutely had a reason to be killed. I wrote about that here back when the movie came out and The Mary Sue tried to pull a sexism hitpiece on it.

That's a longwinded validation over what is a death more fit for the asshole military guy (the arguable bad guy and the biggest drag on the film by far) than what comes off as an annoyed and overworked flunky tho. Her death mind you is an overblown spectacle that has more in common with Eddie's death than the bad guy's just desserts.

Plus it stems from a "theme" argument that is often used to explain away poor writing and fill in the gaps of the movie the director or crew should have done instead. In the examples you listed prior, Gennaro was murdered for actively ditching the kids and leaving them to potentially die. Ludlow for essentially being a robber baron out of Captain Planet. By the by, her death still was a bigger spectacle than both of these two by the way. The disaster didn't even happen yet with that scene, and as far as I remember, she was forced to watch the kids because heels couldn't be arsed too.

Trying to justify character deaths in monster movies is autistic as hell.