Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker - Won an Oscar

What will the combined score of shootings blamed on "Joker" be after opening weekend?

  • 0

    Votos: 13 11.7%

  • 1-10

    Votos: 23 20.7%

  • 11-20

    Votos: 3 2.7%

  • 21-39

    Votos: 5 4.5%

  • 40+

    Votos: 67 60.4%
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You want safe? Go out to see Joker (2019). Otherwise, you ain't safe.
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Just finished seeing Joker again. I have a few new thoughts:
One of those first dudes Arthur killed randomly sung "Send in the clowns"... this song on its own means nothing to me, but I immediately thought of "Dont send in the clowns," even when I heard it last night.
(I get that the Space Ghost version was obviously a tribute/parody, but that's still where my mind went...) shout out to @GeneralFriendliness though, (I bet you get it pal)

So here's one of the "not funny" jokes that I still laughed at in this movie... (laughed at it again tonight in fact)
"Knock knock... your son's been hit by a drunk driver, hes dead."

I personally don't believe that Thomas Wayne is Arthur's father. I paid more attention to the picture scene this time, and ok, *maybe* Wayne was fooling around with the help. (Judging by bith Arthur and his mom's apparent age though this was likely long before Wayne got with "Martha") and I do believe Arthur's mom legitimately adopted him as well, although who knows lol.

I'm glad I saw it twice, and I will enjoy seeing other people argue about all the confusing (because of the unreliable narrator) bits, for some time to come. Go see it if you haven't.
 
I haven 't see the movie,but later i will watched and i will give my own thoughts on this movie.
 
Saw it a couple days ago and loved it. Felt that it was an excellent critique of the mental health care provided by governments as well as several other things people have mentioned in this thread. Honestly, it's dissapointing that the critics are giving it bad reviews based on not liking the director or due to the media and thus are avoiding some of the issues and ideas that the movie brings up. I honestly thought its was superb, very gritty and grimy - but not without it's share of striking scenes and dialogue. Gonna see it again soon, for sure.
 
Great movie, intense performance. And the box office looks promising for that kind of movie. The studio made a gamble and it paid off. The media and even the fucking US Army probably saw some honk images on the web and now pretend like an incel army with face paint is going to topple society. They fail to realize that the clown world is created by them.

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The riot before Joker's ultimate fate of being thrown in Arkham (as expected), all I could think was "those antifag libs wish they could pull this off". But Joker was right. He wasn't making a political statement. It was chaos for the sake of it, what the Clown Prince does best.
If (when) this timeline gets a sequel, I wonder how they're gonna pull it off considering Joker is already 30-40 when Bruce is like 8 which would make him nearly a senior by the time Bruce is old enough to take revenge. I gotta say, I like this Joker incarnation a lot, definitely the most tragic I've seen. First half of the movie just made me sad.
The refrigerator scene made me laugh because all I could think of was you fucks and a refrigerator as an autistic hugbox.
 
Commander X dijo:
"Man cheers during movie" is only a news story because reporters were told to write stories reinforcing the bizarre, preordained narrative that "Joker" is somehow dangerous. Were the makers of the film onto something, thematically, considering the paranoid reactions to "Joker" in the media and elsewhere?
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Watch that dude be an intern at some lefty rag.
 
Just saw it. Definitely did not disappoint. I appreciated the subtle tells of Arthur's delusions and reality throughout the movie. Midget scene was the highlight though.
 
The movie was very good. It's also one of the most grim movies I've watched in a wide release since Hereditary or The Witch. I expected that, but I expected it to be the edgy kind of grim when really it's just depressing and uncomfortable. Part of me wishes that DC would pivot hard in this direction and just make more challenging movies that Marvel would never consider making. I saw some people getting pissed off at "oh, it's nothing like the comics" but in my opinion the best Batman stuff is either grim neo-noir or straight-up horror/psychological thriller (Frank Miller's earlier Batman work, Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum, Long Halloween, etc.). If there's one mainstream comic series with plenty of material that could fit a hard-R rating, it's Batman.

That being said, I really don't understand all the critics screaming about how "IT'S TOXIC AND HAS NOTHING TO SAY" when the movie outright states its theme three times at least. It's a fucking comic book origin story, how much does it have to say? What, does shit like Thor or Ant-Man have incredible, uplifting messages? It's pretty clear-cut-- Arthur is a loser who literally nobody cares about or listens to. He wants desperately to be noticed and accepted by other people, but everyone else wants nothing to do with him because his mental issues make him a deeply uncomfortable person to be around. The only time he gets any sort of power over his life is when he kills people, so as his life completely falls apart he starts leaning more and more towards violence because that's the only way he can exert control. Eventually, he gets rid of his old persona and accepts the mantle of a symbol for a movement that he specifically states he doesn't care about because to him it's a means to an end of being noticed/loved. The movie doesn't really endorse anything political-- the main character literally states that he isn't political and doesn't believe in anything (it's ironic because critics are essentially doing what the crowds do in the movie and assigning a political ideology to him). It's a really detailed look into what kind of person a guy like the Joker would have to be to do what he does (if he was a person and not a force of nature like in The Dark Knight).

I think it's just people freaking out at a) having to watch a comic book movie that tries to do anything instead of the Marvel strategy of "easy-to-watch disposable mediocrity" and b) having to be in the perspective of a character that they find personally repellent because they can't distinguish between a movie depicting acts of violence/making you understand the motivations of a disturbed person and condoning those acts of violence/that person.

With maybe a little dose of c) being uncomfortable that a subset of people that they shit on constantly is humanized and seeing depictions of antifa-ish "kill the rich and fascists" riots shown as pretty negative things.
 
Jersey Devil dijo:
The movie was very good. It's also one of the most grim movies I've watched in a wide release since Hereditary or The Witch. I expected that, but I expected it to be the edgy kind of grim when really it's just depressing and uncomfortable. Part of me wishes that DC would pivot hard in this direction and just make more challenging movies that Marvel would never consider making. I saw some people getting pissed off at "oh, it's nothing like the comics" but in my opinion the best Batman stuff is either grim neo-noir or straight-up horror/psychological thriller (Frank Miller's earlier Batman work, Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum, Long Halloween, etc.). If there's one mainstream comic series with plenty of material that could fit a hard-R rating, it's Batman.

That being said, I really don't understand all the critics screaming about how "IT'S TOXIC AND HAS NOTHING TO SAY" when the movie outright states its theme three times at least. It's a fucking comic book origin story, how much does it have to say? What, does shit like Thor or Ant-Man have incredible, uplifting messages? It's pretty clear-cut-- Arthur is a loser who literally nobody cares about or listens to. He wants desperately to be noticed and accepted by other people, but everyone else wants nothing to do with him because his mental issues make him a deeply uncomfortable person to be around. The only time he gets any sort of power over his life is when he kills people, so as his life completely falls apart he starts leaning more and more towards violence because that's the only way he can exert control. Eventually, he gets rid of his old persona and accepts the mantle of a symbol for a movement that he specifically states he doesn't care about because to him it's a means to an end of being noticed/loved. The movie doesn't really endorse anything political-- the main character literally states that he isn't political and doesn't believe in anything (it's ironic because critics are essentially doing what the crowds do in the movie and assigning a political ideology to him). It's a really detailed look into what kind of person a guy like the Joker would have to be to do what he does (if he was a person and not a force of nature like in The Dark Knight).

I think it's just people freaking out at a) having to watch a comic book movie that tries to do anything instead of the Marvel strategy of "easy-to-watch disposable mediocrity" and b) having to be in the perspective of a character that they find personally repellent because they can't distinguish between a movie depicting acts of violence/making you understand the motivations of a disturbed person and condoning those acts of violence/that person.

With maybe a little dose of c) being uncomfortable that a subset of people that they shit on constantly is humanized and seeing depictions of antifa-ish "kill the rich and fascists" riots shown as pretty negative things.
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It's easily #1 at the box office and Philips confirmed that Warner will create a mature label for movies called DC Black. Now I want a Two Face and Mr. Freeze origin movies.
 
Jersey Devil dijo:
That being said, I really don't understand all the critics screaming about how "IT'S TOXIC AND HAS NOTHING TO SAY" when the movie outright states its theme three times at least. It's a fucking comic book origin story, how much does it have to say? What, does shit like Thor or Ant-Man have incredible, uplifting messages? It's pretty clear-cut-- Arthur is a loser who literally nobody cares about or listens to. He wants desperately to be noticed and accepted by other people, but everyone else wants nothing to do with him because his mental issues make him a deeply uncomfortable person to be around. The only time he gets any sort of power over his life is when he kills people, so as his life completely falls apart he starts leaning more and more towards violence because that's the only way he can exert control. Eventually, he gets rid of his old persona and accepts the mantle of a symbol for a movement that he specifically states he doesn't care about because to him it's a means to an end of being noticed/loved. The movie doesn't really endorse anything political-- the main character literally states that he isn't political and doesn't believe in anything (it's ironic because critics are essentially doing what the crowds do in the movie and assigning a political ideology to him). It's a really detailed look into what kind of person a guy like the Joker would have to be to do what he does (if he was a person and not a force of nature like in The Dark Knight).

I think it's just people freaking out at a) having to watch a comic book movie that tries to do anything instead of the Marvel strategy of "easy-to-watch disposable mediocrity" and b) having to be in the perspective of a character that they find personally repellent because they can't distinguish between a movie depicting acts of violence/making you understand the motivations of a disturbed person and condoning those acts of violence/that person.

With maybe a little dose of c) being uncomfortable that a subset of people that they shit on constantly is humanized and seeing depictions of antifa-ish "kill the rich and fascists" riots shown as pretty negative things.
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It's literally about alienation, which, I suppose, would be attractive to incels, but also it's becoming a much bigger issue in modern society due to internet and social media. It's not like it's just incels. And in fact it's got the same damn theme as Don Jon and you didn't see the media worried about people breaking into orgies in the theater.

Plus, in some ironic way, the media is further alienating incels. I find them abhorrent, obviously, but people who work in media with a broad reach do have some sort of responsibility to not just feed in to their shit. Guess nobody thought about that one.
 
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