Illegal Immigrants and you - Are illegals really that big of a problem?

Sorry, but illegal immigrants just make the government more suspicious of those legally immigrating. It's really not our duty at all to take care of these people. Sure, you can blame US policy in the region for a lot of things. Just like slavery though, that excuse is going to wear out and giving these countries a pressure relief valve ensures it will never be fixed.

We take in tons of legal immigrants already, but for these people it will never be enough. They have nothing to offer us. We already brain drain these countries like crazy. If they were allowed in legally, they would be competing for low end jobs that people already do.
 
I didn't say it was our duty, necessarily. Just that some of this shit is an effect of supporting so many dictators, unfortunately. And I do think the problem IS exaggerated to an extent.

But we can barely handle the needy people we have right here in this country.
 
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What parts of it are exaggerated if I might ask? I'm sorry if I come off as a bit harsh, side effect of seeing way too many "Won't someone please think or the poor illegals!" headlines.
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I don't think you're being harsh.
I just generally don't believe that it's the most pressing issue facing our country at this time, nor do I believe most illegals are criminals. (Well, other than being here illegally). Most of them are just people trying to find a better life. Unfortunately, we don't have all the resources to be Santa Claus to the rest of the world.

To the point that the president is seriously considering issuing an EO order that would change something that's outlined in the Constitution -- that's a pretty big deal. (Granted, there's no way he'll ever be able to get away with it) Yeah, it's probably just to rile up his base, we all know Trump mostly just likes to rant and rave. Some people seem to think all these "ferriners" are coming here to over run the place and destroy our way of life. I doubt it. Too much paranoia. It's a problem, but I'd say healthcare, the environment, issues with education, a lot of the recent racial attacks. I think that's a bit more important.

Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.




(I also don't think that saying, "hey, it's a bad idea to support dictators because of $$$$$$" is an excuse, just an explanation. Nor is it one of the only reason for many of the problems going on down there. It's just a very complex, ugly history.)
 
If they are illegal then no one is gonna go looking for them.

Just saying.
 
I mean, I get what you're saying. On the other hand though it can be argued that they ARE attempting to change our way of life when you have states like CA that push for policies that allow illegals (and convicts) to vote. As for being criminals, I mean that's open and shut. Especially all of the ones that do commit crimes here and wind up finding their way right back in due to our porous border. Trying to find a better life...idk, plenty of people do that legally.

Another argument could be made that since many illegals siphon money earned away to Mexico, it's a large leech on our economy. It's really no better than when people bitch about the rich storing money offshore, yet nobody likes to bring up the sheer volume of cash that flows south.

I guess we just have different base mindsets because *p/l* after going though the process (for someone else, not personally), and paying the couple g's and waiting the year or so I lose sympathy to people trying to skirt around it. Now you have people trying to abuse the asylum system to get in.
 
Illegals hurt the working class American. I know this because I have an aunt that works in a poor school of the Los Angeles School District. Half her class are kids whose parents are illegals, they treat elementary school (a pivotal time in a child's learning) as a daycare. They'll take the kids out of school for weeks at a time. It's absolutely exhausting for her and emotionally draining, she tells everyone she meets don't work for Public Schools. What's really upsetting for her is that her pay is tied to the performance of these kids too.

The other half of her class could be receving her attention and help, instead she has to focus on the kids who are unruly and ultimately will unlearn what they're taught. A most heartbreaking story I remember was that one child told her that she couldn't finish her homework because her father was mocking her for "wasting her time" and encouraged her to instead watch TV with him.

Illegals are simply the Indentured Servants of the modern era. And it's so disgusting to see "Liberals" celebrate it. I truly believe that history will look at them the same way we look at the Jim Crow South. I'll leave you with this video by Cesar Chavez.

 
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I hate to say it, but the most frustrating ones to deal with are the ones who refuse to learn/speak English- especially when they’re in the workplace (after somehow managing to get by the hiring and interview process).

There’s a couple of Arabs at work who don’t speak English at all and need one of my coworkers to translate basic instructions for them- keep in mind one of them DRIVES ffs, so I have no idea how that works. It’s gotten to the point where they’re put on the least hazardous jobs because explaining basic safety protocol is a huge pain in the ass.

I know they’re only hired on because they don’t understand enough English to be able to read labor laws, nor would they be able to complain unless they had a translator. To me, that’s an ethical issue all on its own.
 
Cardenio dijo:
Illegals are simply the Indentured Servants of the modern era. And it's so disgusting to see "Liberals" celebrate it. I truly believe that history will look at them the same way we look at the Jim Crow South.
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Yep rather than having businesses invest in technologies to make menial jobs automated or less labour intensive, creating higher paying design, engineering and manufacturing jobs. hire an army of foreign peasants to do the work instead. Throw out your washing machine and hire a somali serf for 25 cents an hour to hand wash your clothes it's the progressive thing to do!
 
Here's an interesting question: how many of us come from illegals and either don't fucking realize it or barely aknowledge it? Was grandpa sergei really doing the lawful thing by intentionally using his student visa for green card elligabilty just because he decided to become a productive member of society instead of a leech who relies on the government?
 
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Yep rather than having businesses invest in technologies to make menial jobs automated or less labour intensive, creating higher paying design, engineering and manufacturing jobs. hire an army of foreign peasants to do the work instead. Throw out your washing machine and hire a somali serf for 25 cents an hour to hand wash your clothes it's the progressive thing to do!
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This so much. The rich and businessmen see illegal inmigrants as their long awaited serfs that will do a thousand hours of work for chump change, and they can do this for several reasons: under the table payment, applying for unemployment benefits (without a contract you can claim you have no job nor income) and all sort of social programs in order to help them. They have become the new slaves, endorsed by the rich and powerful who want to fight oppression and inequality.

For example, here in southern Europe illegals are usually seen as the bane of all wages, because if you are an unqualified worker, you are going to be working in the same conditions they do for the same shit money, but you will not be able to apply for those benefits that keep them afloat because you are going to be hired and have an insurance, thing the illegals don't have. This has made uqualified labor something no one in their sane mind would ever want to work due to how illegals have tanked the wages. That's why most of our young go north, where they can do the same work and be paid a decent wage.
 
Malagor the dank omen dijo:
This so much. The rich and businessmen see illegal inmigrants as their long awaited serfs that will do a thousand hours of work for chump change, and they can do this for several reasons: under the table payment, applying for unemployment benefits (without a contract you can claim you have no job nor income) and all sort of social programs in order to help them. They have become the new slaves, endorsed by the rich and powerful who want to fight oppression and inequality.
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The entire agriculture and farming industry depends on illegal immigrants for discounted labor. Farms don't have to pay any sort of extras or benefits for them. The moment their labor source is threatened they'll either lobby the fuck out of Congress to stall it or invest in automation since literally no legal American citizens are rushing to do the hard manual labor except for the immigrants.

The majority of people who are illegal in this country are those who overstay their visa. Its such a huge number that it overwhelms the State Department so of course its a massive shitshow. The whole system needs to be reworked and a better way to track people with expired or soon to be expired visas is desperately needed.
 
VinRhe0 dijo:
The entire agriculture and farming industry depends on illegal immigrants for discounted labor. Farms don't have to pay any sort of extras or benefits for them. The moment their labor source is threatened they'll either lobby the fuck out of Congress to stall it or invest in automation since literally no legal American citizens are rushing to do the hard manual labor except for the immigrants.

The majority of people who are illegal in this country are those who overstay their visa. Its such a huge number that it overwhelms the State Department so of course its a massive shitshow. The whole system needs to be reworked and a better way to track people with expired or soon to be expired visas is desperately needed.
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But here in Southern Europe farm work is the livelyhood of many people and industrial farming is slowly strangling those small farms with non illegals that try to make a profit but found themselves unable to compete with the big farming industry and the selling intermideates, who pay them almost nothing for their produce (prices plummet when you pay chump change to your employees). So in the end they hit both the prices of the products which also hit the wages of those farmers who collect the harvest or work at farms.

But lately farmers here are banding together and selling their produce directly to the people, which is far more profitable than selling it to a supermarket chain, allowing them to make a huge benefit by selling their products slightly cheaper than the supermarket does.
 
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