Illegal Immigrants and you - Are illegals really that big of a problem?

[Crunchy Leaf]

They need to enforce the actual laws. Employ illegals, go to prison. Better yet, get thrown into general population with the very illegals now serving time themselves who used to work for you. That should apply extra for politicians who get caught employing illegal domestic workers.

yeah deporting people won't work until there's a reason for people to stop coming. it's like arresting hookers.

my friend's dad used to be an illegal and now he's not but he hates illegals and, that's dumb
(it's okay tho 'cause he's white)

 

[oldTireWater]

There are a LOT of Mexicans (I don't mean Hispanic) where I live. Noticeably more than there were 25 years ago. The immigrants themselves aren't that bad, they tend not to be assholes, and they work.

But where they have a significant population they drag everything down. The more there are they less inclined they are to learn English, to the point where you'll have people in customer service positions that don't know the language. They pull down property values bad. Fucking carnicerias everywhere. Shitty old trucks with every piece of Autozone "chrome" imaginable. Oompa-loompa music. Their culture is "primitive".

Their children is where it starts to get genuinely bad. They don't have the immigrant work ethic.

Still, I'll take Mexican illegals over southern niggers ANY day. Any day! No comparison at all.

 

[ForgedBlades]

I worked an internship at a quasi-agriculture related business this year and got to know a lot of Mexicans, many who were on guest worker visas. I'm sure that there were a handful of illegals as well, as it's pretty difficult to stay 100% above board no matter how hard you try. Just a few observations.

• The majority were very, very suspicious of me. I'm not sure if they thought I was an undercover ICE agent, or they thought I was coming for their job, but there were quite a few who would deliberately avoid me.
• They will lie and say that they don't speak English when they damn well do.
• There are some jobs that white people simply won't do for minimum wage. It's easier for them to just suck Uncle Sam's teats dry. I saw probably a dozen white people doing general labor who would just simply stop showing up after a week. One guy didn't come back after lunch break on his first day. And yes, I know that they should """""simply""""" increase wages, but I really don't feel like getting into an argument about the economics of agriculture. The point is, they are reliable.
• Many of the ones I talked to on guest visas hated illegals with a passion because they were ruining it for the people who came here the right way.
• Jumex is delicious.

 

[CWCchange]

It's not just illegals that are a problem. It's also those who received amnesty, hold green cards and aren't deported when committing crimes, and of course, DACAs and anchor babies.

 

[wellthathappened]

Depends on context. If the illegals are merely filling a needed role and then going back to their country of origin then I really don't care. If the illegals are looking for a handout from the welfare state then I begin to have an issue.

 

[The Great Chandler]

• Jumex is delicious.

Cheap too and comes in other flavors.

On topic though, I think we should strengthen our borders while fixing the immigration system as well. As for the illegals in the country, they should forego a test for citizenship or something of the like.

 

[Zaragoza]

I'm going to powerlevel a bit here.

I grew up in a place with a lot of illegals. I also have a family member that works in HR. She worked at a number of different companies, a lot of them construction related, some hospitality, some big box type stores. She would routinely get applications from non-illegals, and she was absolutely flooded when the recession hit. You know what nearly every company instructed her to do with those resumes? Throw them in the trash.

Where I grew up there were a lot of jobs that were "things Americans won't do"- things like cashier workers, waitstaff, secretaries, even things like doctor and dental assistants have slipped into that range. And yet when I travel about 200 miles north or east, suddenly Americans, mostly white, do all of these jobs. It completely boggled my mind to find out that in most parts of the country being a grocery store cashier or a Starbucks barista does not fall under that umbrella of "things Americans just won't do", and at the ease that my non-illegal peers had in getting those types of jobs in their teenage years. So what magical barrier am I crossing where one part of the country is too lazy and uninterested to do all of these things, and yet the other half is?

The only area that the "Americans don't want to do these jobs" mantra has any drop of truth is the farming industry. It's true, Americans don't want to pick fruit and operate heavy machinery and expose themselves to chemicals- for $3.50 an hour. And unfortunately just raising the pay rate will not automatically solve the issues. Americans have been pushed out of that part of the the agricultural system we have no idea what those jobs are like, or what kind of situation works for them. How is your local highschool or college kid supposed to know that he can travel to Bumfuck, Texas, share a shitty trailer with a couple other guys, work a farm for a couple months, and come back with a couple thousand saved up when it isn't advertised anywhere and when no one in his friends group or his family has ever done it?

Lol, when the media was being all hyped up about the migrant caravan and the crying migrant girl, CNN did a cover piece where they actually traveled to the Mexican American border in South Texas and talked to a rancher there and he said something along the lines that migrants are killing any opportunity for a honest living working low wage jobs and how they exploit government assistance with the fake addresses and stupid shit like that, and keep in mind, the rancher himself is Mexican American like most people living near the border, the CNN reporter were expecting the people who live right across the border to lambast Trump but it was the polar opposite. You know who hates illegal immigrants more than anyone else? Other Mexican Americans.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

There was a clip in a video I was watching where a bunch of Latin Americans were interviewed in Florida. They all said that they support Trump and wanted illegal immigrants to be looked at more closely.

Also good luck trying to get construction work when so many companies hire illegal immigrant workers to do that work for less.

 

[millais]

One of the bad things about hiring illegal contractors for big jobs is that you kind of just have a hole in your books when the IRS or insurance adjuster comes around asking for all of your contractors' W-9s. It's pretty easy to sweep under the rug when filing taxes, but if you ever seriously audited it might be some hot water situation. I guess you can always feign ignorance or incompetence, though.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Then-fiance was denied a visitor's visa because the US was concerned she would overstay her visa on purpose. So yes, illegals make a bad name for people trying to do things legit.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

I generally don't get all worked up over the presence of illegals. Yes, they should go through the legal channels but most are just desperate people very wisely fleeing a shit hole country for something better. I'm not cold-hearted enough to say "lol fuck em" because of autistic tribalism but at the same time I don't lose sleep over deportations. "Don't sneak into our country" is a reasonable request.

My main interest in border security is keeping out the drug runners and jihadists. Juan the Field Worker is not a threat. Tuco the Cartel Enforcer and his pal North Tower Nahim certainly are though.

 

[Leadlight_]

According to what I've read, the vast majority of economists believe that illegal immigration is super beneficial to the economy.

Oh yes, because economists are never horribly wrong.

Brass tacks; Illegal Immigration is harmful for the country. It completely undermines legal immigration for starters, drains public funds, increases taxes, takes jobs from Americans, causes unnecessary political strife, and degrades the very principles that the United States of America has held since its inception.

 

[spurger king]

illegal immigration is super beneficial to the economy

beneficial to the economy != beneficial to most average people. It's disingenuous to argue that most Americans are too weak or lazy to do manuel labor, because an American will do pretty much anything if you pay him enough. I've always found it weird how lefties and soyim are in favor of immigration policies that benefit the rich, hurt the working class, and end up importing lots of people with very traditional views on social issues.

 

[Douglas Reynholm]

Economically speaking they can be beneficial as can't access welfare most places, pay sales tax and work under rate without employee benefits. But they take jobs, avoid other taxes and are off grid. Turning a blind eye is bad though, shouldn't be encouraged. Leads to them getting fucked like these cocklepickers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25914594

 

[CWCchange]

Still, I'll take Mexican illegals over southern niggers ANY day. Any day! No comparison at all.

White Hispanics, sure. Castizos and some mestizos, maybe. Afro-Hispanics and/or indios, hell fucking no!

 

[Medicated]

If the illegals are merely filling a needed role and then going back to their country of origin then I really don't care

That sentence doesn't make sense to me. If an illegal is filling a needed role then why aren't legal immigrants or anyone else doing it? Maybe what the company needs is illegal?

 

[wellthathappened]

That sentence doesn't make sense to me. If an illegal is filling a needed role then why aren't legal immigrants or anyone else doing it? Maybe what the company needs is illegal?

Because the welfare state is providing an incentive for an American citizen to not do the job.

 

[wylfım]

Because the welfare state is providing an incentive for an American citizen to not do the job.

And also keep in mind Americans are super priveleged and won't do a lot of jobs for cheap prices. Who would pick fruit or work at McDonald's for minimum wage? Add in the extremely high quality of life people expect here that you cant afford at minimum wife, and you have a bunch of illegals doing jobs that Americans wont.
That being said, I still think we should work on solutions that dont involve letting people mass-immigrate with absolutely no background check or motivation to assimilate. Letting illegals work in agriculture is like putting a bandage on a stab wound.

 

[wellthathappened]

And also keep in mind Americans are super priveleged and won't do a lot of jobs for cheap prices. Who would pick fruit or work at McDonald's for minimum wage? Add in the extremely high quality of life people expect here that you cant afford at minimum wife, and you have a bunch of illegals doing jobs that Americans wont.
That being said, I still think we should work on solutions that dont involve letting people mass-immigrate with absolutely no background check or motivation to assimilate. Letting illegals work in agriculture is like putting a bandage on a stab wound.

Maybe it isn't a stab wound. Maybe it is herpes, which never goes away.

 

[wylfım]

Maybe it isn't a stab wound. Maybe it is herpes, which never goes away.

If you don't look for a cure, you'll never find one. Just because we don't know of a solution today doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Honestly, the majority of the problem stems from the fact that California has two very distinct classes of people— the farmers and low-educated workers, and the silicon valley tech gurus. They're so close to each other that it serves as motivation for the workers to strive for increasing their education so they, too can be rich, causing them to in turn leave for increased opportunities. Which is all fine and dandy, until all of them move away and there's now no one left to tend to the multi-billion-dollar agricultural industry— hence the illegals. In somewhere like Bumfuck, West Virginia, on the other hand, people aren't really exposed to a way of life any different than their own, so they just continue on doing what they traditionally do. It's not a pretty lifestyle, but at least things are relatively stable and sustainable.