Illegal Immigrants and you - Are illegals really that big of a problem?

[Chiang Kai-shek]

For starters, I am only talking about immigrants who came into the country without going through the proper legal channels. I'm talking illegal immigrants. But are they really that big of a problem? Some people say no, some say yes. According to what I've read, the vast majority of economists believe that illegal immigration is super beneficial to the economy. But what your opinions and some facts that support your beliefs?

*The wikipedia page is just to have a collection of pro-illegals sources in one place. They have a fuck ton of citations for their claims. For more info click here.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I'm sure Mollie Tibbets and Kate Steinle found the respective illegals who enriched ended their lives to be "super beneficial."

 

[Y2K Baby]

believe that illegal immigration is super beneficial to the economy

Because it's used for slavery, lol. Regardless, the benefits of it won't last for long as massive waves perpetually flood in- also, it's absolutely shit for the country they're leaving.

 

[Inklings]

I'd like to take a moment to ask a question in regards to this. Do illegals pay taxes? I know it sounds like a dumb question and you would think that obviously they wouldn't but is that really the case? Because I've found some surprising things that have said before that illegals do actually pay taxes either through an ITIN or a Social Security number that isn't theirs. I'm not advocating for a looser stance on immigration I'm just curious.

 

[JustStopDude]

I say America just deports all unemployed....citizen or otherwise.

 

[OhGoy]

Illegals are great for scummy business owners. Why spare a fraction of profits on better working conditions when you can get foreigners who you can easily manipulate?

 

[Red Hood]

Hiring illegals basically means you can pay them less than minimum wage with no OSHA oversight, and if they get uppity you can threaten to report them. So it is, as @Y2K Baby said, pretty much akin to slavery.

 

[1864897514651]

If a law says that illegal immigrants are to be deported, and such a law is not enforced, then why is the pretense there? The problem is twofold if the rule of law is not upheld. Firstly, the country itself debases its own rule of law into obscurity. And then more importantly, the citizens of said country start breaking laws until they are stopped or until no laws remain.

But the problem with this really has very little to do with illegal immigrants. The macroeconomics of the global economy has given rise to truths that are stranger than fiction. I believe that the systematic importation and exportation of immigrants is the result of an agenda larger than 'men seeking opportunity'. Whatever the truth is, the kleptocratic oligarchs that are running the governments around the world have profoundly limited critical thinking abilities, so the truth has to be extremely limited in its comprehension. I have a couple of ideas for why illegal immigration has been turned into a commodity, but all of my ideas have absolutely nothing to do with stimulating economic growth, which is what most people think of when they rationalize cheap labor from immigrants. Kleptocratic oligarchs do not think like that.

 

[Unseemly and Feral]

I'd like to take a moment to ask a question in regards to this. Do illegals pay taxes? I know it sounds like a dumb question and you would think that obviously they wouldn't but is that really the case? Because I've found some surprising things that have said before that illegals do actually pay taxes either through an ITIN or a Social Security number that isn't theirs. I'm not advocating for a looser stance on immigration I'm just curious.

Illegals do definitely pay sales taxes. I’ve heard of payroll taxes also being deducted from their salaries.
Part of the reason illegals are in demand from the employer side is obvious, but the low wages from the jobs illegals take deter domestic workers from competing for them, especially something like fruit picking in CA.
On the whole, I doubt most of them cause trouble. But enforcement still has to happen because a broken system informs criminals that they can operate with impunity.

 

[AnOminous]

Hiring illegals basically means you can pay them less than minimum wage with no OSHA oversight, and if they get uppity you can threaten to report them. So it is, as @Y2K Baby said, pretty much akin to slavery.

They need to enforce the actual laws. Employ illegals, go to prison. Better yet, get thrown into general population with the very illegals now serving time themselves who used to work for you. That should apply extra for politicians who get caught employing illegal domestic workers.

 

[BeanBidan]

They're really annoying tbqh.
Ex. Mexicans talk and laugh way too fucking loud it's hard to sleep for work. Their music is shit too.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Ex. Mexicans talk and laugh way too fucking loud it's hard to sleep for work. Their music is shit too.

THIS. Live in the south and try not be racist. You can't. These are the real issues here.

 

[Chiang Kai-shek]

I'd like to take a moment to ask a question in regards to this. Do illegals pay taxes? I know it sounds like a dumb question and you would think that obviously they wouldn't but is that really the case? Because I've found some surprising things that have said before that illegals do actually pay taxes either through an ITIN or a Social Security number that isn't theirs. I'm not advocating for a looser stance on immigration I'm just curious.

I've seen this a lot too. I think it's mostly paying shit like sales taxes. There were some links on badeconomics that say illegals pay taxes.

Also more food for thought: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...-immigrants-steal-jobs-from-american-workers/
Opinions on the article?

 

[SofondaCox]

I think the question is irrelevant - the law provides a method for immigrating. If an individual begins their journey by breaking our laws, that doesn't sound conducive to integration.


Do it legally, or don't do it. I don't care if they all turn out to be scholars, it doesn't matter. Follow the fuckin rules.

 

[Rand /pol/]

If you're a boomer farmer who wants cheap crop pickers or a suburban couple who wants there roof fixed for cheap yes.

 

[Piss Clam]

Hiring illegals basically means you can pay them less than minimum wage with no OSHA oversight, and if they get uppity you can threaten to report them. So it is, as @Y2K Baby said, pretty much akin to slavery.

When you boil it down the people who support open borders are supporting human trafficking.

There are people flying from Africa into Brazil who then take a long trek to cross the US border.

There is an area between Panama and Columbia that is very hard to transverse. They turn to human traffickers to cross via the ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darién_Gap

It is something like 90% of people trying to cross over the US border use traffickers.

When you get into the US as an illegal you are also subject to abuse by employers and criminal elements in your own community. Do you think these illegals are going to call the police?

 

[IV 445]

It wasn’t me but somebody on here said they were very suspicious of their neighboring apartment. They thought there might have been human trafficking going on.

I have never been directly affected by illegals, no, if that’s what you’re asking. But it matters a helluva lot what part of the US you’re talking about. They are almost nonexistent in some states. In other areas, they virtually run the show.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

I've seen this a lot too. I think it's mostly paying shit like sales taxes. There were some links on badeconomics that say illegals pay taxes.

Also more food for thought: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...-immigrants-steal-jobs-from-american-workers/
Opinions on the article?

I'm going to powerlevel a bit here.

I grew up in a place with a lot of illegals. I also have a family member that works in HR. She worked at a number of different companies, a lot of them construction related, some hospitality, some big box type stores. She would routinely get applications from non-illegals, and she was absolutely flooded when the recession hit. You know what nearly every company instructed her to do with those resumes? Throw them in the trash.

Where I grew up there were a lot of jobs that were "things Americans won't do"- things like cashier workers, waitstaff, secretaries, even things like doctor and dental assistants have slipped into that range. And yet when I travel about 200 miles north or east, suddenly Americans, mostly white, do all of these jobs. It completely boggled my mind to find out that in most parts of the country being a grocery store cashier or a Starbucks barista does not fall under that umbrella of "things Americans just won't do", and at the ease that my non-illegal peers had in getting those types of jobs in their teenage years. So what magical barrier am I crossing where one part of the country is too lazy and uninterested to do all of these things, and yet the other half is?

The only area that the "Americans don't want to do these jobs" mantra has any drop of truth is the farming industry. It's true, Americans don't want to pick fruit and operate heavy machinery and expose themselves to chemicals- for $3.50 an hour. And unfortunately just raising the pay rate will not automatically solve the issues. Americans have been pushed out of that part of the the agricultural system we have no idea what those jobs are like, or what kind of situation works for them. How is your local highschool or college kid supposed to know that he can travel to Bumfuck, Texas, share a shitty trailer with a couple other guys, work a farm for a couple months, and come back with a couple thousand saved up when it isn't advertised anywhere and when no one in his friends group or his family has ever done it?

 

[Jeff Heaney]

They're really annoying tbqh.
Ex. Mexicans talk and laugh way too fucking loud it's hard to sleep for work. Their music is shit too.

I guess that's the reason they're always exhausted

 

[millais]

Hiring illegals basically means you can pay them less than minimum wage with no OSHA oversight, and if they get uppity you can threaten to report them. So it is, as @Y2K Baby said, pretty much akin to slavery.

Also illegal contractors are more than happy to work on a jobsite without worker's comp insurance, so that represents a huge cost savings. For construction bids, our illegals are always able to undercut the proper contractors by as much as 40%, and a lot of that has to do with the absence of worker's comp.