Escaping the United States

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melty dijo:
How much do Australians mind people from the US moving there? Does the southern part of Australia have the massive spiders and other horrifying creatures?

I've also wanted to leave the US for awhile, and not just because of current year shenanigans, though that certainly doesn't help.
I'd like to find somewhere cold, most of the digital nomad meme types seem to go to tropical countries. I know Canada is an obvious choice but I'm not sure i'm interested. I can learn a new language, but it's obviously helpful if they use a lot of English.
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We are inundated with people from all over, so another American wouldn't bother anyone.
The southern states do have spiders, sharks, and snakes, but no crocodiles. I spend a lot of time in the forest, and I would see maybe two snakes a year. The dangerous animals thing is basically a meme.
If I didn't have family connections in Victoria, I'd live in Tasmania, it's a beautiful place with a great independent spirit. Victoria has the best laws with regards to hunting, so I'm happy here though.
 
WTF you mean with "traditional engineering"? mechanical? civil? hydraulic? there's a bunch of different engineerings before computers showed up

And unless you go to a country with no industry whatsoever there will always be demand for engineers, if you know what you're doing
 
cybertoaster dijo:
WTF you mean with "traditional engineering"? mechanical? civil? hydraulic? there's a bunch of different engineerings before computers showed up

And unless you go to a country with no industry whatsoever there will always be demand for engineers, if you know what you're doing
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I'm a subset of civil, but I know lots of engineers who transition between similar disciplines (wastewater treatment going to a chemical job, structural going to a CM job, etc.) which is why I grouped them together separate from software """engineering""" - also since most of them tie you down to the area you are working in as opposed to jobs that can be more remote. Especially since I do site visits.
 
mr spongecake dijo:
I'm a subset of civil, but I know lots of engineers who transition between similar disciplines (wastewater treatment going to a chemical job, structural going to a CM job, etc.) which is why I grouped them together separate from software """engineering""" - also since most of them tie you down to the area you are working in as opposed to jobs that can be more remote. Especially since I do site visits.
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Great you can work anywhere there, but you will probably have a much shittier wage than in the states
 
Since we're talking about leaving America, after one side is hatin on America so go rural if your low on shekels, what laptops, brands, would you recommend that's not only portable but you can easily take apart and repair, unlike say an Acer, and has high enough specs to program, do graphic design, play games, and maybe run a small forum site in case Kiwifarms gets shutdown again?

What about software's that lets you do your work in secret or hide your browsing if you want to bug out deep in rural america?
 
I thought you had legal guns to fight against muh tyranny but the average American is just as likely to flee like a Venezuelan without giving any fight for much much less than Venezuelans endured, is not like the USA is a commie dictatorship or that is economically ruined, is jut a first world country where a neoliberal candidate right wingers don't like won.

You are gonna enjoy the rest of the world if you are so triggered anyways because there´s hardly any right wing conservative fantasyland where you make as much money than in america without any socialist political parties around. You could try going to Japan i guess, and become a gaijin foreign immigrant with a different culture trying to be a part of an homogeneus nation, the exact thing right wingers complain so much about, which is ironic.
 
cybertoaster dijo:
WTF you mean with "traditional engineering"? mechanical? civil? hydraulic? there's a bunch of different engineerings before computers showed up

And unless you go to a country with no industry whatsoever there will always be demand for engineers, if you know what you're doing
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mr spongecake dijo:
I'm a subset of civil, but I know lots of engineers who transition between similar disciplines (wastewater treatment going to a chemical job, structural going to a CM job, etc.) which is why I grouped them together separate from software """engineering""" - also since most of them tie you down to the area you are working in as opposed to jobs that can be more remote. Especially since I do site visits.
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So where do you place electrical engineering (not just the electronics part either)?
 
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I don't see the point in escaping to another country just to escape wokeism. Be real, that's at best a temporary solution. You might not be around it for a little while but eventually, it will come and then what? Are you going to move to a deserted island and try to live as a hermit?

There is no escaping wokeism. If you live in the United States, you should not move unless you absolutely love a different country that much that you want to integrate into it for the rest of your life. We're still the wealthiest country in the world and everywhere else is either,

- Even more woke
- Much worse living standards
- Much more authoritarian

We are going to have to get used to living with it no matter what. You're better off figuring out how to work around the harsh mechanisms that are coming. If you absolutely want to stave it off for a little longer, you can try moving to say, the Appalachian like Syaoran Li said, but if you want a long-term solution for dealing with this, you're going to have to get creative about it.

I also don't think going hermit is a solution, unless again, you decide to move somewhere government will never want to touch like Antarctica. Even working from home like I see a friend of mine propose involves dealing with wokeism.
 
If you are an engineer (with keen politcal and social instincts) then go to some underdeveloped nation who needs help building infrastructure.

Pick the right location and you'll be appreciated and might be featured as last king of scottland type deal.


This might be the best outcome you might get. Most interesting too

Whatever you choose know this:
All your creature comforts of yesteryear are gone for good. You will never get them back. Embrace the suck and pick the least shitty option
 
furūtsu dijo:
America isn't a commie shithole yet, far from it, and (rate me optimistic if you please) I doubt it will become one anytime soon. If the US falls, given that it's the defacto global superpower at the moment, the rest of the world is going to be fucked to varying degrees anyway.

That being said, I've heard Poland's cost of living is pretty cheap, and most Poles speak English well enough that you don't have to be fluent in their language though it definitely helps. Learn to code and you could probably have it pretty decent there. You wouldn't be living the high life but Poland is far less pro-censorship than the USA and their women are less fat.

Edit: honestly you could apply what I wrote above to most ex-Soviet countries excluding Russia.
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Lived in Russia (and for a brief period in Latvia) not long ago and it was very affordable. The cost of living there is really low and so are the taxes. Getting a visa for entry is a bit of a hassle but I'd say it was definitely worth it. Saint Petersburg is a gorgeous city with top-tier cheap public transport (which is also very well maintained and clean - it has one of the best metro systems ever constructed) and a very, very vibrant cultural center with plenty of opera houses, orchestra halls, museums, palaces, etc. The rail system is also quite good and there's a new high-speed link that can take you to Moscow from SPb in three hours, and there are suburban trains to take you into the countryside if that's your preference.

Coming back to the states caused some extreme counter-cultureshock and it was pretty jarring seeing how shallow its culture had become. Also I hate being forced to use a car to get anywhere.
 
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Someone Awful dijo:
What about just moving into a much redder part of the state?

For example, Texas is increasingly turning blue, but West Texas and and the Panhandle became redder. The state might be an unique case though since there was a significant movement among South Texans Hispanics to Trump. Worth noting that in Texas, almost every county except Bexar with a 50%+ Hispanic population voted more for Trump in 2020 than in 2016, even managed to flip Zapata County which hadn't happened in a century.

I'd say the Republicans should move to convince conservative and moderate Hispanics to vote for them, but I also think the party is screwed and we are headed towards a 2024 landslide for The Wicked Witch of Commiefornia.
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That's a terrible idea. Every time urban areas reach a tipping point and turn a red state to blue, the blue state government starts vindictively fucking with everyone in the more rural areas.
 
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