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This was the writing ethos of a lot of the legacy media and highlights the issue with modern media, because legacy media was on TV and you were essentially fighting against (x) number of channels to keep someone's attention for 30mins-1hr you HAD to write something interesting and you HAD to make things make sense, the downside with this was episodic writing which went on to screw things like Voyager, but that was a minor issue in comparison to the modern day. Modern day media is contending with TikTok, Youtube and Twitch, meaning they have sacrificed telling a good story for the sake of "Clips" and keeping a set of jingling keys constantly on standby, or doing member berries so it can be clip farmed. While that works for something like Family Guy it doesn't work for anything which is meant to be mature.
Nowadays, I experience a warm sense of relief whenever Doctor Who moralises out loud and makes lefties look stupid. Why would I not want my enemy to look stupid? The moral cancer that's eating civilisation from within thrives when it's wearing the charisma of Tennant or the leather jacket of Eccleston.
Y'see I'll disagree here because this is recentcy bias clouding you up bud, Tennant has proven even with him on screen these messages don't work as his constant revival through the series to bump numbers do not reach the heights of when he WAS in the show properly, this combined with the fact all the aforementioned media and more (Like I can throw a dart at a board with 70s-00s sci-fi media and guarenteed what it hits will be this) has been progressive and had the "moral cancer" as you put it, within. While I agree, the moral grandstanding is hilarious when it does nothing but age the media horrifically (Because realistically, who in 10years is going to remember or care about Trump?), it's better to support media which puts its "Moral cancer" message to the audience but allows wiggle room for them to make up their mind, that is ultimately the point of art.
My only real gripe with this is that, when the morals in episodes are done especially badly and contradict themselves (Kerblam being blameless for killing customers, Belinda Chandra's past being overwritten to make her a mum, and the Doctor torturing a Space-Palestinian in the Eurovision episode, and the list goes on), the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to claim the current era is "conservative", and that this round of wokeism doesn't actually count.
Well it's because they have been empowered to move the goalposts endlessly, this is the problem with the 'Toxic Positivity'/HR mindset these companies are run under and the friendship circles these writers run in where it's full of limp wristed, blue haired faggots dick riding each other and nodding along to anything as long as it's left-wing and pushes an agenda, mocks "CURRENT EVIL THING" (Trump) and totally empowers these people. Despite as you rightly point out, it diminishing them massively as the audience which was primed to accept the message reject it out of hand.
...and on that note, Tharries recently made a video about "harassment" in the Doctor Who community.
I do find it interesting how it's the TROONS who sent the showrunner homophobic abuse and a death threat, not antiwoke chuds. Although you wouldn't know that from this thumbnail Tharries posted. The fat fuck would be condemning the right in the harshest possible terms if the shoe were on the other foot.
Amazing. "Don't know how to talk about minorities that aren't cis, white gay men" is actually a fair criticism of Davies. And his sci-fi series Years and Years was a repeat offender for this...
For those who don't know, the first episode of had a teen girl come out to her parents as trans, and they briefly think they have a wholesome chungus transboy or enby, only for it to be revealed that "trans" is actually short for transhuman, because it's the future and retards think mind uploading is a thing. That episode was set in 2024, by the way. There was also a little boy in that series whose aunt disguised him as a girl for a few minutes. Then he kept the disguise and started dressing as a girl. And in the 5-years-later flashback at the end of the series, he (at age 15) is a passing femoid. The implication being that his aunt transed him?
None of this is considered *good* trans representation. The troon Rose character in Doctor Who is rather more flattering on the surface, and ticks more progressive boxes. But that doesn't stop the character being total arse, and too much narrative emphasis was put on him being deadnamed (as far as the trans community is concerned, the correct amount is none at all). And it is stated by the characters themselves that his gender identity comes from him being part alien, which runs counter to the claim that troons are tooootally normal. So of course they called it bad representation.
All this can be true, but that sure as fuck doesn't make RTD a conservative.
Moving on:
Google Gemini had this to say when I tracked down the source of the screenshot. Very cool.
The abuse directed at Davies was so clearly ideological, coming from woked-out trannies who'd put the bullet in liberals (that includes you, Tharries!) for not being woke enough. Not a word of this from Tharries in his entire video.
The abuse directed at Davies was so clearly ideological, coming from woked-out trannies who'd put the bullet in liberals (that includes you, Tharries!) for not being woke enough. Not a word of this from Tharries in his entire video.
him believing he had the midas touch for this show and chasing trends which goes back to how dated modern media is, it's too busy chasing CURRENT THING instead of remembering shit like Doctor Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Indiana Jones (etc) were all timeless classics in spite of the "CURRENT THING" it had in the movies, not because it made it the central theme and then spent the entire show handholding the audience going "NOW, THATS THE BAD MAN, BOO THE BAD MAN
I remember the episode with the podcaster bro where it felt like Unit was an allegory for the BBC and why it needed to be funded and I was sitting agape at "do you really want to compare the government organization that makes this show to an organization that literally pumps chemicals in the water to get people to forget alien invasions"
The abuse directed at Davies was so clearly ideological, coming from woked-out trannies who'd put the bullet in liberals (that includes you, Tharries!) for not being woke enough. Not a word of this from Tharries in his entire video.
The thing with rtd is in his original run he was using all the ideas and stories he'd been thinking of since he was a kid, when he came back he had nothing left and hadnt been making up new stories in the between times. That and the ego of being called back to 'save the show' and being told to do whatever he wants.
Rarely mentioned but needs to be brought up is RTD's absurd loyalty to Chinball, to the point that RTD even before he came back, being up front in saying Chinball did nothing wrong and that he would double down on Chinball's changes if he came back.
I remember the episode with the podcaster bro where it felt like Unit was an allegory for the BBC and why it needed to be funded and I was sitting agape at "do you really want to compare the government organization that makes this show to an organization that literally pumps chemicals in the water to get people to forget alien invasions"
The BBC is in it's death throws thanks to streaming and online pirating. The desperation is obvious when now they're making pushes to make it so if you use any streaming service you must pay the TV license, this has also led to a massive upsurge in them sending enforcement letters (I haven't had as many letters in a whole decade of being a moved-out adult as I have had this year alone, this is also with them making a LOT of threats and promising to turn up, to never turn up). It shows they're very aware they're fucked and this whole push onto their own media to hardcore "Sell" the TV license and justify it (When there isn't a justification for it) just shows how fucked they are as a service. I don't wanna spend much more going over "Ye Olde Televisional License".
Also realistically, the BBC has done much fucking worse than pumped chemicals into water (to make the frikkin' frogs gay), they have harboured active pedos and run sweeps for them to the point you had former-heads of state batting up for them.
(Sorry for the DP, can't edit and I saw this after)
It shouldn't shock a SINGLE person that trannies in a fanbase are the most vitriolic and grotesque people when hurling abuse at someone, for a group which will be more melodramatic than a gay acting in a musical version of Romeo and Juliet when you dead name them or accidentally use the wrong pronoun, they're the most keyboard warrior-y people imaginable, they are on par with the "Chuds" they claim super harass them and ruin their iddy biddy lives. I remember JK Rowling when she spoke publicly on it all saying how almost all the rape/death threats came from troons and it says something about the entire movement as a whole that they are so ridiculously violent over nothing burgers, they can never seperate the art from the artist and sure, from what you're saying the Troon representation is awful in Doctor Who, but does it REALLY demand you hurling homophobic abuse and death threats at a guy who's supposed to be a part of your entire "LBGT" bit?
This is also why so many gays are anti-troon, they cannot stand these people who act like pussy little sissy fucks in public, but in private are literally the most volatile and grotesque people.
(Sorry for the DP, can't edit and I saw this after)
It shouldn't shock a SINGLE person that trannies in a fanbase are the most vitriolic and grotesque people when hurling abuse at someone, for a group which will be more melodramatic than a gay acting in a musical version of Romeo and Juliet when you dead name them or accidentally use the wrong pronoun, they're the most keyboard warrior-y people imaginable, they are on par with the "Chuds" they claim super harass them and ruin their iddy biddy lives. I remember JK Rowling when she spoke publicly on it all saying how almost all the rape/death threats came from troons and it says something about the entire movement as a whole that they are so ridiculously violent over nothing burgers, they can never seperate the art from the artist and sure, from what you're saying the Troon representation is awful in Doctor Who, but does it REALLY demand you hurling homophobic abuse and death threats at a guy who's supposed to be a part of your entire "LBGT" bit?
This is also why so many gays are anti-troon, they cannot stand these people who act like pussy little sissy fucks in public, but in private are literally the most volatile and grotesque people.
Remember all Gina Corono did was say she supports them and was against them getting builed but she didn't see a need to put pronouns in her twitter bio and they not only found her home address and sent her death threats, but they got her fired and blacklisted and at one point held an online fund raiser to hire a hitman to go after her.
But bro, how can I possibly announce to hundreds of thousands of random strangers that I'm totally a cool wholesome chungus and be above reproach for my funny flag badge? How else can I score victim points when someone dares call me "Bro, Dude" or something else equally unambiguous because I know they're not going to check every single profile on a platform before commenting, but I'll still give them shit for calling me that?
If these people didn't do the whole "I need to advertise it endlessly" you'd find there'd be the same level of trans discussion as before the internet was mainstream, which was next to none.
I remember the episode with the podcaster bro where it felt like Unit was an allegory for the BBC and why it needed to be funded and I was sitting agape at "do you really want to compare the government organization that makes this show to an organization that literally pumps chemicals in the water to get people to forget alien invasions"
this progressive dislike of RTD2 has lead to one of my favorite dark woke dr. who thumbnails https://youtube.com/watch?v=ExujbnTnRToI still find it insane that Israel-Palestine has caused this much conflict in them
Interstellar Song Contest (AKA the Eurovision episode) might just be the best worst episode of this era if you want something so-bad-it's-good. Cringey celebrity cameos, the companion and Doctor being completely out-of-character, complete failure to moralise, and a plot that makes no sense. I just love how badly it broke the fans. It's also the episode that gave us Dugga Doo.
And just to set the record straight, I personally think, given the absurdly high kill count that the Hellions' delta wave would have had, the Doctor didn't torture that Space-Palestinian hard enough.
This scene somehow pissed off BOTH sides of the fandom. The wokes and the anti-wokes BOTH wrung their hands about how the Doctor should never torture someone because it sets a bad example. To be fair, it was rather out of character for the Doctor to do this.
My guess is that a script far more critical of Eurovision was originally written for this episode, and then RTD and the troon he got to write it were told to tone the message way down. That was probably when they added the part about the delta wave frying the brains of the trillions watching at home. (It would have been RTD's job to relay demands from the higher-ups, and 'delta wave' is a term from his era, so it's likely something he came up with). This was probably also when the torture scene was added.
So we ended up with a story where, despite the sponsor of the competition wiping out a planet to sell poppy fragrance, the Hellions' violent act of resistance is portrayed as unambiguously evil. And narrative-wise, the corporation's crimes against their Hellions are seemingly all but forgiven when a Hellion (the black one, of course) is allowed to participate in the competition with her identity on display.
A lot of people (including one of my friends who watched it with me) interpreted these villains not as vengeful Palestinians, but as Israeli survivors of a previous genocide (the Holocaust). So their attempted mass-murder of the audience would have been akin to something like Israel's genocide of Palestine. It doesn't really work if you interpret it this way, but I get why people do it. The Hellion named 'Kid' is a level of evil that his traumatic backstory really can't excuse, and of course the libshits and Muslims wouldn't want to associate him with their beloved Palestinians. That arguably makes it even worse, since now it has the Jews using the power of broadcast media to destroy all the goycattle watching at home. Depicting Jews as any kind of horned creatures is also a big no-no.
Politics aside, I do kinda love the retarded cartoon logic that made the writers (plural!) think that people ejected into space would cryogenically freeze within seconds, instead of what would ACTUALLY happen, which is a quick death by suffocation, followed by fluid loss and eventual freezing that do irreversible damage to the body. But no, they're all thawed out later, completely unharmed, including the non-humans! It's somehow more fake and cartoonish than the actual cartoon episode.
And then there's the small matter of the absurd lengthof time it must have taken to defrost all 100,000 people and still keep to the programme to schedule. The live broadcast must have either lasted for weeks, or audiences around the universe would have realised it was a pre-recorded lie. Possibly both!
The episode concludes with the 'Two Ranis' post-credits bi-generation scene, which pissed off almost every single retard who thought the Mrs Flood mystery (the one that was teased for a year and a half) was going to result in something worthwhile. It did not. Finally, the TARDIS blows up for no reason at all except as a cheap cliffhanger for the piss-poor finale, yet it's somehow not explained or even called back to in said finale.
FUCK YOU RTD YOU HOMO. RTD2 WAS SO BAD THE HEALING CAN BEGIN. COPE RTD COPE!!!!!
TOTAL ECCLESTON W. TEWTEWTEWTEWTEWTEWTEW.
0:07
GO GET SOME COKE TO COPE HOMO!! LIKE WHEN YOU ROCKED UP TO THE BAFTA'S FLYING ON COKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE WANTED "THE KISS OF LIFE" FROM ANOTHER MAN!!! WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS?????????
The episode concludes with the 'Two Ranis' post-credits bi-generation scene, which pissed off almost every single retard who thought the Mrs Flood mystery (the one that was teased for a year and a half) was going to result in something worthwhile.
It really was the worst case scenario. Why were they acting like a vengeful God in the first season? Why all the fourth wall breaks? Why would you do biregeneration AGAIN so soon after its initial reveal? Why would you write it so they regenerate in front of some nobody instead of the fucking Doctor?
The actress for Mrs Flood did the best with what she had, but she should've played The Trickster or some other member of the Pantheon. It doesn't help that The Rani is nobody's favourite Time Lord. It would've been more interesting to see the Meddling Monk back, or even a completely new Time Lord who worked as an avatar for the gods.
Oh well, none of that matters now. No Christmas special, nothing to look forward to for the franchise and no return date in sight.
So during the original Wilderness Years we had Doctor Who Magazine to keep the mainline canon and Big Finish audio to keep making alternative stories and badly put together fan films to try and give former Dr. Who actors something to do but I wonder what Wilderness 2.0 holds in store for us? If in the interm Dr Who magazine is canceled then Who might truly be dead. I can see Big Finish eventually closing shop if nothing picks up soon. People are talking about a 3 years hiatus here but honestly it can be much longer than that. Whenever they do something new Who the fanbase may no longer even exist at that point.
I don't see the point of a hiatus. If the show goes away for 20 years and comes back just as pozzed, viewers aren't going to come back.
If it comes back tomorrow actually well-written (major rainbows, obviously) and de-canonizes all of the DEI shit, then people will. It's that simple.
I don't see the point of a hiatus. If the show goes away for 20 years and comes back just as pozzed, viewers aren't going to come back.
If it comes back tomorrow actually well-written (major rainbows, obviously) and de-canonizes all of the DEI shit, then people will. It's that simple.
That's what I'm afraid of. We might think the last seasons of RTD and the Chibnall seasons were bad and some fans gave up even long ago at that but it could be much worse so much worse. We know the BBC doesn't give a rat's ass about Who fans so they can bring it back in 2 years or 25 years still much worse than Disney + Who so yeah no worries there, right?
So during the original Wilderness Years we had Doctor Who Magazine to keep the mainline canon and Big Finish audio to keep making alternative stories and badly put together fan films to try and give former Dr. Who actors something to do but I wonder what Wilderness 2.0 holds in store for us? If in the interm Dr Who magazine is canceled then Who might truly be dead. I can see Big Finish eventually closing shop if nothing picks up soon. People are talking about a 3 years hiatus here but honestly it can be much longer than that. Whenever they do something new Who the fanbase may no longer even exist at that point.
I just want my boy, Lawrence Miles, to come back and keep writing the EDA books. Those are my favourite iteration of Doctor Who. I know there's the Faction Paradox series but I miss Eight, Sam, Fitz and Compassion.
I've been pissed off at RTD since 2005 for ignoring the kino that was The War in Heaven,
