Doctor Who grieving thread

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Miller dijo:
I was watching Nerdrotic's video about the new Doctor Who episode and there's that final scene from the An Adventure in Time and Space but with the new Doctor who smiles and winks at Hartnell/Bradley. Why that creepy wink? He's in the Tardis, not in some random gay bath house on Gallifrey.
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Russell T. Davis is a massive faggot, that's why.
 
Strangolapreti dijo:
Multiple times it was mentioned that the doctor could regenerate as a female, it's not the bad part, it's the writing around it,
To quote Community: nobody likes it, not because she was a woman, but because of the writing".
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This is pure cope. The doctor can never be a woman because the character is as male coded as you can possible be.

An (occsaionally wacky) professor, a war survivor, an explorer, a grandfather and a sage. Turn him into a woman and you lose 90% of the character's substance in translation.

Men and women aren't interchangable, some roles are simply not writen for women and not compatible with them.
 
I watched the new episode and every time this faggot was on screen I had to pause the video and ask why this was necessary.
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"The most beautiful daughter in the world"

I'm not mad that they put a tranny in the show. They already put one in the Big Finish audio dramas, so they were bound to have a tranny companion in the show eventually. I am, however, disappointed that they not only chose to introduce this troon as Donna's son, but then they made it a two for one deal by naming it Rose. Whatever. At least we get more Donna, even if it's just for a little while. As jarring as it is to see and hear this thing on screen, I can at least suspend my disbelief and enjoy the story if RTD can simply go five minutes without reminding me that Jason is a tranny, that the Doctor was a woman and now he's not, or asking the aliens about their pronouns. I'm not holding out much hope, and it's disappointing that I will probably end up dropping the show again just like I did in 2018. At least the audios are still good.
 
SIGSEGV dijo:
I can at least suspend my disbelief and enjoy the story if RTD can simply go five minutes without reminding me that Jason is a tranny, that the Doctor was a woman and now he's not, or asking the aliens about their pronouns. I'm not holding out much hope, and it's disappointing that I will probably end up dropping the show again just like I did in 2018. At least the audios are still good.
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The Star Beast is kind of an odd duck in that regard, the next episode isn't anywhere near as preachy. At worst you have a race-swapped Issac Newton for like 20 seconds at the start and the Doctor acting bisexual which isn't really a new thing (Donna actually makes fun of him for this since he didn't realize it).

Said episode is also better on the whole, but that's not really the point here.
 
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ToroidalBoat dijo:
I tried getting into it from episode 1. All I can recall is that one or more of them got kidnapped by cavemen, something about "the fire", and I lost interest. One might think a show with a thing that jumps anywhere in space and time should be really fascinating.
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To be fair, I don't think most people would recommend starting with the first episode of the first season. The "classic" era is usually considered to be the Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, and Peter Davison years. In fact you can't even watch a lot of the early years of the show because the BBC junked the tapes containing them.
 
starborn427614 dijo:
Doctor acting bisexual which isn't really a new
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Since when did 9 or 10 ever act fruity (no, 9 not stopping Jack's kiss doesn't count, I heard that was unscripted too. Poor Eccleston.) I'll concede if there's evidence but I've watched their runs so many times and I do not remember any gay shit from those Doctors that warranted Donna's joke.
 
Oilspill Battery dijo:
This is pure cope. The doctor can never be a woman because the character is as male coded as you can possible be.

An (occsaionally wacky) professor, a war survivor, an explorer, a grandfather and a sage. Turn him into a woman and you lose 90% of the character's substance in translation.

Men and women aren't interchangable, some roles are simply not writen for women and not compatible with them.
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While I don't disagree, I feel it worth noting that you could rewrite these paternal characteristics into something workably more feminine with some effort. I don't want that to happen (both because it'd be such a drastic change from the character's fundamentals and because of Current Year), and I doubt any fan of the show who wasn't there for shipping or other tumblry shit would either, but as an idea it had the potential to work in ways that Whittaker's atrocious scripts never could.
 
Anonitolia dijo:
While I don't disagree, I feel it worth noting that you could rewrite these paternal characteristics into something workably more feminine with some effort. I don't want that to happen (both because it'd be such a drastic change from the character's fundamentals and because of Current Year), and I doubt any fan of the show who wasn't there for shipping or other tumblry shit would either, but as an idea it had the potential to work in ways that Whittaker's atrocious scripts never could.
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I have no doubt you could rewrite those characteristics into something feminine that is good as a standalone, obviously good stories about women exist (actual women, not men with breasts as so many women today tend to be writen as) but regardless of current year or not, it would be such a huge departure from what the character is at that point you would be writing an entirely new character and deleting the old one.

At the end of the day, if the showrunners want a female time lord, both for her sake and the doctor's sake, its best to just make it a seperate time lord with her own unique history and problems she likes solving.

Any attempts to stay true to the original character is going to hurt her characterization and any attempts to make her intresting and feminine in the same way the doctor is masculine is going to hurt the doctor's characterization.
 
BroccoliBrainMkII dijo:
Since when did 9 or 10 ever act fruity (no, 9 not stopping Jack's kiss doesn't count, I heard that was unscripted too. Poor Eccleston.) I'll concede if there's evidence but I've watched their runs so many times and I do not remember any gay shit from those Doctors that warranted Donna's joke.
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10's whole thing was a pussy hound vibe, they leaned into that in the 50th with him getting chased around by Queen Elizabeth. They made him gay now too? Man...
 
BroccoliBrainMkII dijo:
Since when did 9 or 10 ever act fruity (no, 9 not stopping Jack's kiss doesn't count, I heard that was unscripted too. Poor Eccleston.) I'll concede if there's evidence but I've watched their runs so many times and I do not remember any gay shit from those Doctors that warranted Donna's joke.
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Nine could be pretty camp.

Rick's Beef Wellington dijo:
10's whole thing was a pussy hound vibe, they leaned into that in the 50th with him getting chased around by Queen Elizabeth.
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Ten definitely had more than his share of women lusting after him, but he rarely reciprocated. The Doctor being naive was usually played for laughs outside of the odd case like Madam Du Pompadour.
 

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Kind of like Blake's 7, fond memories, but to rewatch again you kind of go..."Well, its half OK"

Unlike Sapphire and Steel which even as an adult, I find still, amazing.
 
MadStan dijo:
Kind of like Blake's 7, fond memories, but to rewatch again you kind of go..."Well, its half OK"

Unlike Sapphire and Steel which even as an adult, I find still, amazing.
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Even at its best, Doctor Who is still like a seven. Maybe an eight if we're being generous. Once in a blue moon you'll get an episode like Heaven Sent, but most days it's just average sci-fi with a time travel glaze.
 
Oilspill Battery dijo:
At the end of the day, if the showrunners want a female time lord, both for her sake and the doctor's sake, its best to just make it a seperate time lord with her own unique history and problems she likes solving.
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And they have plenty of characters RTD refused to bring back although at this point I think they deserve to rest in peace in the past.
starborn427614 dijo:
Even at its best, Doctor Who is still like a seven. Maybe an eight if we're being generous. Once in a blue moon you'll get an episode like Heaven Sent, but most days it's just average sci-fi with a time travel glaze.
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Like most of TV I think it's just fodder for the general public to talk about outside of those moments.

I don't get how 14's era onwards is supposed to be a soft reboot when it's about the same as when they break in any other new regeneration, no I don't give a shit about the new episode numbering scheme.
 
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Love that the headline is “THEY RECEIVED OVER 100 CONPLAINTS,” but leave out that that 144 is out of 7.6 million viewers.

I didn’t know 0.0000189% of an audience complaining was worthy of an entire article.

Kinda perfect microcosm of the entire “trans debate.” There’s an extremely loud very small minority of people that hate trans people while the vast majority are either ambivalent or supportive, but the headlines and media coverage go to the very small minority of transphobes.
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MadStan dijo:
Kind of like Blake's 7, fond memories, but to rewatch again you kind of go..."Well, its half OK"

Unlike Sapphire and Steel which even as an adult, I find still, amazing.
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Nah, Blake's 7 still holds up.

As for Who, here are some spoilers, take them with a grain of salt.

Leaks for 'The Church on Ruby Road':

The episode opens with a baby being left at the steps of a church. This baby is adopted and raised by Carla, the baby being 'Ruby Sunday'. Ruby Sunday named after the road where she was found, appears on a TV Show hosted by the one and only Davina McCall in an attempt to search for her birth parents. During the interview, they discover that strange accidents keep occurring around Ruby, though she brushes it off as clumsiness. On Ruby's birthday, Christmas Eve, a mysterious police box appears on her street. Later, her foster mother Carla, announces that a new baby named Lulubelle will be joining their family. Davina calls Ruby to inform her that they couldn't find any information about her parents and wonders if she's been experiencing bad luck since the interview. As they talk, a Christmas Tree falls on Davina. Suddenly, goblins kidnap Lulubelle and take her to their spaceship. They kidnap Lulubelle as they feed on coincidences; Lulu and Ruby both having been abandoned by their biological parents on Christmas Eve. And they can't pass up on such a juicy coincidence. Ruby climbs the rope ladder attached to the Goblin ship to rescue the baby to which The Doctor joins her by leaping onto the rope ladder himself. They interrupt a goblin ceremony to save Lulubelle and escape from the ship. They return to Ruby's flat where The Doctor meet's Ruby's foster grandmother 'Cherry'. However, The Doctor eventually realizes Ruby has vanished. The Goblins have instead "eaten" Ruby as she was apart of the coincidence that is Lulubelle and Ruby. Now, Carla doesn't remember a Ruby in her life, or any of her other foster children. The Doctor realizes that the goblins have tampered with the timeline, erasing Ruby from it, along with all the changes she's made to the world. So, the Doctor travels back in time to prevent the abduction at the church, successfully restoring the timeline. Ruby reappears in the present, but there's one last task to complete: Saving Davina McCall from the evil falling Christmas Tree. The Doctor conduct a DNA test on Ruby due to his suspicion that she's not actually Human. Fifteen and Ruby head off in the TARDIS and we begin Series 14.

Series 14/Season 1:

  • Episode 1: 'Space Babies': Set mostly in Space with eight children in filming.
  • Episode 2: 'The Devil's Chord': Set in the 1960s, Afro Ncuti, American Drag Queen 'Jinkx Monsoon' is playing the villain. Doctor and Ruby recreate the Abby Road cover, meet the Beatles and the episode is described as a 'musical'.
  • Episode 3: Futuristic warzone. Directed by Julie Ann Robinson. 'The Clerics' Return of the Clerics from Series 5 (River Song's soldier boys) as they're fighting a war. Set will have a lot of ruins. The Doctor will step on a landmine and is stuck for a good portion of the episode (speculated to accommodate Sex Education filming at the time). Rumored to be written by Moffat.
  • Episode 4/5?: Big slug absorbing civilians. Roger Ap Gwilliam as a politician dubbed 'The Space Savior', Kate Stewart is here with UNIT. Potentially a two-parter or just RAG in one of these episodes.
  • Episode 6: Written by Kate Herron and Briony Redman. Set in the Regency Era; we've seen images of Ncuti, Millie and Jonathan Groff in attire for this time period. Groff plays a Time Agent who apparently kisses The Doctor. Indira Varma as 'The Dutchess', speculated to be a Time Lord. The Dutchess has 'Birdmen' for henchmen.
  • Episode 7/8: Likely a two part finale. Features the return of Mel. The Doctor and Mel on a motorcycle. Set between present day and 1947 Roswell. Rumored to feature The Daleks but take this with a grain of salt.
  • XMAS Special: Nicola Coughlan in a major role. WW2 Setting.
Extra Future Info: Ruby will have a boyfriend in Series 15/Season 2. No, the Master or the Valeyard are not part of 'The Legion' (from Alice's leaks).
 
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